PLAAF vs. USAF

[ao333]

Guerrilla warfare is what the PLA knows best. In Vietnam, even against the French, the same French that Ho INVITED back in with the Ho-Sainteny Agreement, whenever Giap decided to conduct conventional warfare, aka 'set piece' battles, Giap lost his @$$. If guerrilla warfare is so efficient against conventional warfare and forces, then why did Giap bothered to try conventional warfare tactics against French forces, the 1968 Tet Offensive, and the 1972 Easter Offensive? All of them Giap lost. And for 1972 Easter Offensive, Giap lost against SVN forces because the US was beginning to withdraw from SE Asia.

Dude, I can't answer your questions because I have never researched into French Indochina. It goes to show how insignificant that region is to the world. I'm as ignorant as white Americans on the Vietnam War, so don't get all emo on me.

 

[below_freezing]

History says the United States has failed to capture any state that China has backed. It simply goes to show that the American army is defunct. American generals were captured alive during China's war against the United Nations Security Council in Korea. The Chinese trained the Viets so well in guerrilla warfare, that it rendered conventional weapons obsolete.

I would say that the army is the closest thing the Chinese' got, but by no means better. Both the Russians and the Americans have more advanced tanks+artillery and are much more mechanized (still see Chinese soldiers march on foot). I recall that during the Chinese earthquake, you guys had to import airlifts from Russia, which was just humiliating.

you also see US soldiers march on foot. our exercises during 2009 featured mass air and rail lift of several divisions across the country. yes, we are not mechanized enough, but the difference is not huge. a first mechanized push would be followed by motorized troops in trucks.

the M1A2 is not superior to the Type 99, they just have more of them. Same with the T-90.

Military Power: List of main battle tanks by country

Saying they have more artillery is blatantly false. China owns the most artillery in the world.

Armor: Towed-Artillery Total

As well as the best multiple rocket launchers in the world - WS2 and SY400

 

[oct605032048]

it is totally totally meaningless to compare Chinese and American Army in the peace time. The US army had 20 million solder in 1945 but only half in 2010.

 

[gambit]

Dude, I can't answer your questions because I have never researched into French Indochina.

No problems. Just shut yer trap and I will school you.

It goes to show how insignificant that region is to the world. I'm as ignorant as white Americans on the Vietnam War, so don't get all emo on me.

Understandable and I can relate to the feeling. I have been up in Canada a few times past and I can see how Americans view Canada as insignificant.

 

[ao333]

No problems. Just shut yer trap and I will school you.


Understandable and I can relate to the feeling. I have been up in Canada a few times past and I can see how Americans view Canada as insignificant.

Sir, you're Vietnamese. You can't change the fact either, unless you go Michael Jackson.

 

[gambit]

Sir, you're Vietnamese. You can't change the fact either, unless you go Michael Jackson.

Am not changing any facts. The Chinese members here do that. But am schooling you on the facts.

 

[noksss]

our army is already superior to the US army. don't be confused by USAF superiority. their air force being 20 years ahead far makes up for their ground forces being worse.

Let me ask a basic question in terms of the comparison b/w U.S and Chinese army .Do the chinese army have something on par with M16 rifles used by the american army .The answer is No then how can u say that ur army is superior than american army even if u dont have any match in terms of rifles

 

[MKI 30]

USAF wins hands down

 

[Ganga]

our army is already superior to the US army. don't be confused by USAF superiority. their air force being 20 years ahead far makes up for their ground forces being worse.

China has a large army.But no one knows how battle ready and hardened it is.
No offense to chinese members but it reminds me of a sentence from the movie 300
Leonidus tells xerxes
"You have many slaves and few warriors.They fear your whips more than my sword"

 

[below_freezing]

China has a large army.But no one knows how battle ready and hardened it is.
No offense to chinese members but it reminds me of a sentence from the movie 300
Leonidus tells xerxes
"You have many slaves and few warriors.They fear your whips more than my sword"

The US knows better than anyone else how battle hardened our soldiers are. That's why they aren't making any sudden moves on the ground. India should also know pretty well.

And about slaves... funny thing:

We have a 100% volunteer force. Army pay is a bit better than factory worker pay. Unlike the US which has to pay huge cash (well, promise to pay huge cash) for those to join the army China has to turn away most recruits. But in the US, those who join the army are there for the cash bonuses (many of which are never paid).

Who are the slaves, and who are the real warriors?

India was foolish enough to murder our border guards in 1962 and we told them who was the master and who was the slave. Need another reminder?

 

[prototype]

pla better than u.s army

and i saw flying pigs around my window

just a straight comparison,lets go back to the korean war

lets look at the casualities first

chinese casuality
114,000 killed in combat
34,000 non-combat deaths
380,000 wounded
21,400 POW

american casuality
36,516 dead (including 2,830 non-combat deaths)
92,134 wounded
8,176 MIA
7,245 POW

so whose better than whom
and that was in 1953,the gap has only widen

and there r many chinese here who claim they won the war
then have a look at this
Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

pla better than u.s army

and i saw flying pigs around my window

just a straight comparison,lets go back to the korean war

lets look at the casualities first

chinese casuality
114,000 killed in combat
34,000 non-combat deaths
380,000 wounded
21,400 POW

american casuality
36,516 dead (including 2,830 non-combat deaths)
92,134 wounded
8,176 MIA
7,245 POW

so whose better than whom
and that was in 1953,the gap has only widen

and there r many chinese here who claim they won the war
then have a look at this
Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1950s China was extremly backward which was 100 years behind US, I don't think today's China is still 100 years behind.

How about 1962? I could say the same the gap is widened between China and India of today.

 

[KSRaj]

No-one is fantasizing here, we all agree that China is behind the US by decades, not one single person is denying that.

Actually your point was rebutted by ChineseTiger 6 posts before this post of yours!

Excerpt:

Sure, PLA soldiers are some of the most disciplined fighting units in the world. Yes, our army was already superior to that of US, the landpower of 20th century was USSR, today is PRC.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

US has the most superior Air Force and Navy in the world, so these advantages can offset everything. They don't need to build the strongest army, they only focus on sky and sea.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

the gap had widened,really
then what happened at the chola incident were pla made a retreat
Chola incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ant at the 1987 Sino-Indian skirmish
Chola incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Consider USSR and USA were both allies of India, so it is a smart move to not move further.

One on one, China can easily handle India for sure, whether back in 1962 or today.