PIA to lease seven new jets, expand fleet

[Stalwart]

The experience is mixed with PIA, some flights have been the worst but some one of the best. I think they need to get rid of "sifarshi" and unprofessional people first before anything else.

 

[Manindra]

its not airforce do you know anything ABC abut airliners ?or because its word pakistan so you have to sya something bad ??????

its need and routes matters every airline have such fleet now look hare and told me which one is wrong induction in fleet ? they induct three types ATR - A320 AND 777s recently nothing can be better then this

Yes, and same philosophy (Zoo one) applied by Indian carriers & someone bites the dust & others are with tons of debt in their Balance sheet.
Currently all airlines (who are in huge debt) are discarding wide body aircraft in favour of narrow body.
Even PIA have 2 wide body twin engine jets B777, A310 (instead use single wide body) to save cost.
ATR is no problem in regional routes but rest combination is mismatched when use very low number of Aircraft in such distress fiscal condition.

 

[Imran Khan]

Yes, and same philosophy (Zoo one) applied by Indian carriers & someone bites the dust & others are with tons of debt in their Balance sheet.
Currently all airlines (who are in huge debt) are discarding wide body aircraft in favour of narrow body.
Even PIA have 2 wide body twin engine jets B777, A310 (instead use single wide body) to save cost.
ATR is no problem in regional routes but rest combination is mismatched when use very low number of Aircraft in such distress fiscal condition.

bhai mery i got it A-310 is not the choice its our older work horse when it was working working nice with b-747s

now plan is clear cut

short distance domestic - ATR 42 -72
regional aircraft - A320s
long distance -B777


i can't expect more better then this from PIA

what we fly inside very short routes ? ATR great
what we fly on regional routes - A-320 great
what we fly on Americas EU and east asia ? B-777s great

we can not just throw away A-310s they have still juice and we should milk it . any way plan to replace A-310s is on the way with A320s

PIA consider only three type of planes now and its great idea .i am not big fan of PIA but its seems to me PIA is not doing wrong here

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Rule of the thumb is for any near bankrupt Airline is don't make zoo of Airplanes.

The domestic routes require PIA to operate a mix of aircraft. 3 more B777 are being added because PIA has to replace the B747 that have been grounded. A310 are also to be replaced now which aircraft would be added is still not decided.

There are some working plans on getting more B-777 by 6-8 to replace the A310's and also add more A320's.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

So Pakistan can buy expensive fighter jets but it cant buy a civilian jet for the benefit of its own people?

Several airlines from the Persian Gulf region serve major cities of Pakistan with high frequency. PIA has nearly half of the international traffic from Pakistan. The other private domestic airlines serve domestic and international destinations.

 

[Who.Cares]

Best of Luck

 

[Super Falcon]

ehteram krne ki try krte hain hansi nikal jati hai

Hahaha ehtram

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I like PIA. The food is really nice. Best out of all the airlines. Hate it when the other passengers ask you too many personal questions though. But PIA itself is okay.

 

[Indus Falcon]

They need to improve their meals and punctuality, along with out dated cabin interiors in the A310s and non-functioning AVOD in 777s.....

Sometimes I re-read your title. Can't believe you are a TTA. You talk sense

 

[Indus Falcon]

Gentlemen, here are some details on the fleet:

ATR - Ideal for domestic short, thin routes.

A310- They have recovered their capital investment. So the only expense being incurred by these aircrafts is basically operational expense.

B777 - They have proved to be a reliable workhorse on long routes, hence the repeat orders

B787- Very fuel efficient and ideal for thin long routes. But PIA is laying off buying it since it's still going through the "teething phase." Secondly, Being a composite heavy aircraft, PIA will need serious infrastructure investment to keep it flying ,OR have an agreement with a foreign MRO who has the technical capability to do so. The latter is not that big an issue.

@ACE OF THE AIR Your input on this thread would be appreciated

 

[Donatello]

Gentlemen, here are some details on the fleet:

ATR - Ideal for domestic short, thin routes.

A310- They have recovered their capital investment. So the only expense being incurred by these aircrafts is basically operational expense.

B777 - They have proved to be a reliable workhorse on long routes, hence the repeat orders

B787- Very fuel efficient and ideal for thin long routes. But PIA is laying off buying it since it's still going through the "teething phase." Secondly, Being a composite heavy aircraft, PIA will need serious infrastructure investment to keep it flying ,OR have an agreement with a foreign MRO who has the technical capability to do so. The latter is not that big an issue.

@ACE OF THE AIR Your input on this thread would be appreciated

There is no teething phase, with current routes, loans and mis-management, PIA will never turn profit enough to buy new planes. Lease is the only option.

 

[Indus Falcon]

There is no teething phase, with current routes, loans and mis-management, PIA will never turn profit enough to buy new planes. Lease is the only option.

Bhai sahab, I'm not talking about Lease Vs Buy. I'm talking about the Boeing 787 still having "teething issues" i.e. technical problems till today, in comparison to the B777 or even the A330. Unlike the B777, the B787 is NOT a mature product and is still going through it's phases.

On the flip side, once the technical problems are ironed out, and it matures, it would be a very good aircraft for long, thin routes.

 

[Jango]

... i.e. technical problems till today,

Such as...?

 

[VCheng]

Bhai sahab, I'm not talking about Lease Vs Buy. I'm talking about the Boeing 787 still having "teething issues" i.e. technical problems till today, in comparison to the B777 or even the A330. Unlike the B777, the B787 is NOT a mature product and is still going through it's phases.

On the flip side, once the technical problems are ironed out, and it matures, it would be a very good aircraft for long, thin routes.

There were some issues early on related to its lithium batteries catching fire or smoking. The whole system is now working okay, and the batteries themselves have been protected inside fire-containment enclosures. There have been no other major issues with the 787.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Such as...?

APU's failing to start once the aircraft lands, exactly like the A380. Initially it had the same issue.

Funny enough chaffing of one of the lines on the MLG, exactly like the 777 had when it was launched.

There were some issues early on related to its lithium batteries catching fire or smoking. The whole system is now working okay, and the batteries themselves have been protected inside fire-containment enclosures. There have been no other major issues with the 787.

Bro those were disasters. I'm talking about technical glitches with a new aircraft, like the ones I mentioned earlier.