Philosophical debates and logic puzzles

[Jungibaaz]

Here is a famous puzzle. Whoever solves it has the potential to become a computing billionaire like Bill Gates.

Five men with different nationalities and with different jobs live in consecutive houses on a street. The houses are painted different colors. The men have different pets and have different favorite drinks. Determine who owns a zebra and whose favorite drink is mineral water (which is one of the favorite drinks) given these clues: The Englishman lives in the red house. The Spaniard owns a dog. The Japanese man is a painter. The Italian drinks tea. The Norwegian lives in the first house on the left. The green house is on the right of the white one. The photographer breeds snails. The diplomat lives in the yellow house. Milk is drunk in the middle house. The owner of the green house drinks coffee. The Norwegian’s house is next to the blue one. The violinist drinks orange juice. The fox is in a house next to that of the physician. The horse is in a house next to that of the diplomat.

Paperwork is a must to solve this puzzle.

@SvenSvensonov @levina @Jungibaaz

Okay so I did this, and it was very challenging. Took a very long time. First I tried scribbling some things down on a piece of paper, managed to find who the mineral water belonged too, but it was messy and may have had errors. Thus, one of my assignments revealed a logical contradiction.

So, I decided to draw up a table of contents, listing all possibilities, then eliminating. After a very long time of trying, I came close to solving it, and then to solve the case of the last 3, I forced two different arrangements, one didn't work, and the other gave me a solution.

SPOILER- In the end, I got... the mineral water belongs to the Norwegian, and the zebra to the Japanese, in houses 1 and 5 respectively.

 

[Levina]

If the prisoner was expected to be executed everyday, then none of the day would have been a surprise at all, then the prisoner will not be executed, that is the prisoner have been banking on, but the fact that although expected all this, he is ultimately still getting executed, that was actually the surprise the judge mentioned.

He would not be hanged if its not a surprise. Isnt it?
By that logic he can not be hanged on any of the days.

 

[Star Wars]

Are we just a 3D hologram created by 2D information stored at the edge of the universe?

Well, look at it this way. What we experience is what our brain actually interprets. We don't know what the real world is or how it looks like. Our Brain interprets everything from sight, senses, smell,sounds touch taste. We really don't have a clue what is outside, the only thing we can do is blindly trust the interpretations of our brains.

 

[Levina]

Okay so I did this, and it was very challenging. Took a very long time. First I tried scribbling some things down on a piece of paper, managed to find who the mineral water belonged too, but it was messy and may have had errors. Thus, one of my assignments revealed a logical contradiction.

So, I decided to draw up a table of contents, listing all possibilities, then eliminating. After a very long time of trying, I came close to solving it, and then to solve the case of the last 3, I forced two different arrangements, one didn't work, and the other gave me a solution.

SPOILER- In the end, I got... the mineral water belongs to the Norwegian, and the zebra to the Japanese, in houses 1 and 5 respectively.

where's your paper jungi bhai?? post a pic.
I am not gonna believe this

Seriously I kept scratching my grey cells for a very long time but all in vain.
I really want to see how you solved it...as in the logic behind it.
Or atleast explain it to me.

 

[ayesha.a]

MILK JUGS:

A milkman has two empty jugs: a three gallon jug and a five gallon jug. How can he measure exactly one gallon without wasting any milk?

Fill up the 3 gallon jug and empty it into the 5 gallon jug. Fill up the 3 gallon jug again, and pour as much as possible (ie, 2 gallons) into the 5 gallon jug. What remains in the 3 gallon jug is one gallon of milk.

 

[jhungary]

He would not be hanged if its not a surprise. Isnt it?
By that logic he can not be hanged on any of the days.

Now we are discussing

When you carefully look at the premises which the judge tell the prisoner, he did only say that the hanging will be a surprise but he did not say what is the scope of surprise. The prisoner, on the other hand, willingly interpreted that if the "Surprise" is the surprise for him to know the day of execution, then he would not be hanged at all, as the logic clearly points to "If he had not been hanged today, he will not be hanged tomorrow"

However, the "Surprise" the judge refer to is not that, and is on a new level of incidences, he knows by saying that, the prisoner would have a logical conclusion that he would not have been hanged at all, and the "Surprise" is, he was hanged anyway.

hence, even if the prisoner have correctly induced the logic, the word of the judge did also scoped within the same logic.

The logic was

-He will be hanged at noon next week,
-The execution would be a surprise to the prisoner

Both of them came true as. HE was hanged on a Wednesday next week, and the hanging was indeed a surprise.

 

[SvenSvensonov]

Well, look at it this way. What we experience is what our brain actually interprets. We don't know what the real world is or how it looks like. Our Brain interprets everything from sight, senses, smell,sounds touch taste. We really don't have a clue what is outside, the only thing we can do is blindly trust the interpretations of our brains.

If I aquired synesthesia, I would trust my brain to accurately tell me the touch, taste or smell of anything, why would I trust my own perception? If I smell a rose, but taste purple, is that reality? Would you accept that? I wouldn't. I don't trust my eyes, thoughts or perceptions to tell me what is what.

So when my perception tells me about the universe, can I be sure I'm not being tricked into thinking a flat world is 3D, just as my mined can convince me a rose tastes purple?

Synesthesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Armstrong]

If I aquired synesthrsia, I would trust my brain to accurately tell me the touch, taste or smell of anything, why would I trust my own perception? If I smell a rose, but taste purple, is that reality? Would you accept that? I wouldn't. I don't trust my eyes, thoughts or perceptions to tell me what is what.

So when my perception tells me about the universe, can I be sure I'm not being tricked into thinking a flat world is 3D, just as my mined can convince me a rose tastes purple?

Synesthesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you mean to tell me that when you look at Mrs.Sven you're not going to trust your eyes when they tell you that shes a heavenly nymph but instead you're going to believe that shes a female Yokozuna because your subconscious is playing out your fears of being denied your freedom when you became Mr.Sven ?

 

[Star Wars]

If I aquired synesthrsia, I would trust my brain to accurately tell me the touch, taste or smell of anything, why would I trust my own perception? If I smell a rose, but taste purple, is that reality? Would you accept that? I wouldn't. I don't trust my eyes, thoughts or perceptions to tell me what is what.

So when my perception tells me about the universe, can I be sure I'm not being tricked into thinking a flat world is 3D, just as my mined can convince me a rose tastes purple?

Synesthesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

acquired ? there are many different forms from what i read. How would you be 100% sure that your brain is correct ?
Can you scientifically prove to a blind man that color exists ? Or to a color blind person what purple looks like. Or how would one know if people experience there realities in a different way. Maybe i look at purple and actually see the color red.

 

[SvenSvensonov]

Fill up the 3 gallon jug and empty it into the 5 gallon jug. Fill up the 3 gallon jug again, and pour as much as possible (ie, 2 gallons) into the 5 gallon jug. What remains in the 3 gallon jug is one gallon of milk.

Nicely done... Not to hard though, some basic ma

So you mean to tell me that when you look at Mrs.Sven you're not going to trust your eyes when they tell you that shes a heavenly nymph but instead you're going to believe that shes a female Yokozuna because your subconscious is playing out your fears of being Mr.Sven ?

Exactly! For all I know she could be anything, feel like anything, taste, smell and look like anything! Why should I trust my eyes to tell me right from avicado? I touch, see and sometime do other things to her... Hehehe, but are these perceptions true?

Also, nice of you to join us!!! Looking forwards to making your brain melt

 

[Jungibaaz]

where's your paper jungi bhai?? post a pic.
I am not gonna believe this

Seriously I kept scratching my grey cells for a very long time but all in vain.
I really want to see how you solved it...as in the logic behind it.
Or atleast explain it to me.

Well, I tried two ways.

The first was a lot of mess on a two page spread. I won't show you that, but the key was to make a table, draw out a list of all possibilities. I stole a table off of Google, started eliminating possibilities on the right, and then stopped and just deleted the possibility using MS paint, so you can't see the process, only a middle result and end.

SPOILER-



I left it as a thumbnail so not to spoil it for others.

 

[SvenSvensonov]

acquired ? there are many different forms from what i read. How would you be 100% sure that your brain is correct ?
Can you scientifically prove to a blind man that color exists ? Or to a color blind person what purple looks like. Or how would one know if people experience there realities in a different way.

Precisely the problem! What is reality in a dreamer's world? The blind cannot see, the deaf not hear, they do not perceive the same reality I do... Or at least think I do. If we accept that our perceptions are reality, do we each live in our own universe, governed by our own times and laws? If so, that are we only perceiving others to obey the laws we set in our minds... Do those other people only exist as they do to us?

As i converse with you, am I actually doing so?

 

[Jungibaaz]

Seriously I kept scratching my grey cells for a very long time but all in vain.
I really want to see how you solved it...as in the logic behind it.
Or atleast explain it to me.

This is difficult to show you on paper. But I kept going over and over the list of clues, eliminating things from the list each time. Until I was left with 2 different possible configurations for the last 3 houses, based on colour, I arranged, the houses with the rule in mind that the Green house has to be on the right of the white, and that the red belongs to the Englishman.

One way was unsolvable, it gave no way of resolving the houses 3 and 4 for the Spaniard and the Japanese man. The other way in my table gave a solution.

 

[Armstrong]

Exactly! For all I know she could be anything, feel like anything, taste, smell and look like anything! Why should I trust my eyes to tell me right from avicado? I touch, see and sometime do other things to her... Hehehe, but are these perceptions true?

Also, nice of you to join us!!! Looking forwards to making your brain melt

@Nihonjin1051 now do you understand why I'm so against marriage ?

Look at whats happened to our Swedish Brother here ?

He can't seem to figure out whether Mrs.Sven is real, just a figment of his imagination or an avocado ?

Take notes my Japanese brother !

Imagine Sven getting down on one knee and proposing to an avocado ?

On Topic: I did ask a question but no one answered !

 

[Levina]

There are machines that can touch, smell, hear, see and think... In that respect we are no different. Some can learn to, this is called deep learning, perhaps some would answer this question with the "soul" argument, I'm not religious so tend no to.

Is human thought not code? Logical constructs that bring order to our action, like code in a computer program? Perhaps there are no humans? Only machines.

As for reproduction... What of robots that can build other robots?

There's a difference between assembling other robots and "producing" one of your own. Robots cant "produce"!
Frankly I would not call robots human because they 're different by all means.They'll remain robots albeit they might supersede human intelligence one day.
Your question was what separates humans from AI ?? isnt it?
The fact that AI was created by humans is what separates them from us... I think. Lol