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It is foolish to send troops into the mess. For what reason? Saving the Philippines from the mess they have inflicted on themselves? Durtete talks big of separation from America, alienating Europe, allying to China the new friend as he says. It is a perfect opportunity for the radicals, islamists and terrorists to take over the country.

The PLA vows to protect the CCP, not even the country nor Chinese population. Why should they die for the Philippines?

No, even if the terrorists take over the Philippines, or the islamists take control of Indonesia, the only action the Chinese will do is offering the new rulers of PN and Indonesia a nice package from the Silkroad fund.

Most people talk shit in this forum, but ignore one simple fact that no one can deny

THIS IS NOT A WAR ANYBODY CAN WIN........

This is about ideology, this is not about power, not about connection, not about relation. This is all about ideology, the problem is that there are no objective in this war, there are no front line in this war, there is no combatant in this war. A way to fight this traditionally will only end up in more shamble.

A man of Duerte statue does not process this skill to delicately deal with the situation, that is the reason why this had blown out of hand, not everything can be remove with power, these type of deal require more statesmanship than duerte can offer. You send more troop in, it will only make thing worse.
 
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I'm a little surprised seeing this reply from an Indian. I thought all Indians are religion oriented. I was wrong obviously.

Back to the topic. China needs to wait and watch closely how the situation goes. If PH army could handle these bastards by itself, it'll be best solution. If not, China definitely has to interfere.

nope bro it wont work like that
 
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Most people talk shit in this forum, but ignore one simple fact that no one can deny

THIS IS NOT A WAR ANYBODY CAN WIN........

This is about ideology, this is not about power, not about connection, not about relation. This is all about ideology, the problem is that there are no objective in this war, there are no front line in this war, there is no combatant in this war. A way to fight this traditionally will only end up in more shamble.

A man of Duerte statue does not process this skill to delicately deal with the situation, that is the reason why this had blown out of hand, not everything can be remove with power, these type of deal require more statesmanship than duerte can offer. You send more troop in, it will only make thing worse.

I think Duerte gets it. I was just watching an interview where he clearly defined this as a fight against a mindset --- with military means employed where needed.

Of course I agree with you that this is a very tough menace to control and the overuse of force has unintended consequences.
 
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there is something fishy about the so called terrorist attack
there are people who knew about it

they just say isis they are not real isis they are hired mercenary and they are the criminals in the marawi city main jails
 
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Most people talk shit in this forum, but ignore one simple fact that no one can deny

THIS IS NOT A WAR ANYBODY CAN WIN........

This is about ideology, this is not about power, not about connection, not about relation. This is all about ideology, the problem is that there are no objective in this war, there are no front line in this war, there is no combatant in this war. A way to fight this traditionally will only end up in more shamble.

A man of Duerte statue does not process this skill to delicately deal with the situation, that is the reason why this had blown out of hand, not everything can be remove with power, these type of deal require more statesmanship than duerte can offer. You send more troop in, it will only make thing worse.

First of all, it is too much mercy show to the rebel/extremist that allows to build up time, recruit more fighters to shore up their strength. Their aim is very simple. That is to topple Philippine government or break free Mindanao island to be a complete sovereign state. By giving too much autonomous is a disaster waiting to happen. By thinking you giving these extremist more freedom and self government hoping they will turn away from breaking free from Philippine central govenment and turning away from extremist path is an extremely naive ideology.

What China is doing to Xinjiang and Tibet is exactly correct. Strict state control to align them with whole country government policy is the way to go. You have not seen any major attack in China for past 2-3 years in major cities of China. Most of the so called ISIS sympathies in China are send to firing squad. The cell breaks up and special martial law allow state to easily deal with these terrorist by locking them up and no rights for them.

Australia is also trying to reduce freedom in order to trade for safer country.
 
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I think Duerte gets it. I was just watching an interview where he clearly defined this as a fight against a mindset --- with military means employed where needed.

Of course I agree with you that this is a very tough menace to control and the overuse of force has unintended consequences.

Well, I would say it is more or less align to a 1998 film (The Siege) When the US uses force to quell a terrorised city. In that movie Bruce Willis (who played a general) said

"The Army is a broadsword, not a scalpel. Trust me, senator, you do not want the Army in an American city."

Most of the film is factually incorrect, but this line alone, if only the top brass in the US heeded to this line, they would have not make a mess out of the two war they are fighting.

To fight an ideology, you never use brute force, the law is, you push, they push back, it's about how long you can applied pressure until, and eventually, boiled over. And when it does, then it is the time when you are at the most vulnerable.

To fight an ideology, you need to preform a "Surgical Strike" and by that, I don't mean you drop smart bomb on tactical target, but rather, you hit your enemy where it hurts most, not Command and Control centre, not Front line bunker, but rather the "value" of the "cause".

Punch line is, you fight ideology with an ideology, you need to make people think your idea is better than the one they are following, I am not saying to bribe or something, but I am talking about grassroots solution. such as education, negotiation, and most importantly illumination.

You fight them hard on battlefield, you may kill 1 or 2 of them, but then his/her friend, his/her relative may then join the cause, that mean you kill 1 or 2, ended up making 10 or 20 recruitment opportunities for them.

Duerte is a hardliner, he does not know how to delicately handle this situation, he can go around Marawi killing insurgent, but without a proper civil action supporting that, the more you kill actually make more enemy.

First of all, it is too much mercy show to the rebel/extremist that allows to build up time, recruit more fighters to shore up their strength. Their aim is very simple. That is to topple Philippine government or break free Mindanao island to be a complete sovereign state. By giving too much autonomous is a disaster waiting to happen. By thinking you giving these extremist more freedom and self government hoping they will turn away from breaking free from Philippine central govenment and turning away from extremist path is an extremely naive ideology.

What China is doing to Xinjiang and Tibet is exactly correct. Strict state control to align them with whole country government policy is the way to go. You have not seen any major attack in China for past 2-3 years in major cities of China. Most of the so called ISIS sympathies in China are send to firing squad. The cell breaks up and special martial law allow state to easily deal with these terrorist by locking them up and no rights for them.

Australia is also trying to reduce freedom in order to trade for safer country.

First of all, there still exist Extremism in China, just because it went underground does not mean it does not exist.

The problem between China and Philippine is different, one is an open insurrection, another is a closeted movement. Where one (in Philippine) enjoy support within their soil, the other (in China) enjoy support overseas.

China can still suppress the "resistance" does not mean the resistance went away, it just waiting on a chance to pound, we saw that all over Chinese History, every dynasty overthrown was because of either Political instability or People Revolt, don't forget People Revolt is how Communist gain their government in China just 67 years ago, so why do you think another People Revolt is not going to happen in the future??

On the other hand, Philippine is an open insurrection, which mean the tension has already reaches boiling point, where the local population is hostile against the government. You can only pacifies when the movement does not get any momentum, when they do, they will fight back when you push, this is why they have an open insurrection in Philippine.

And No, I would not say Australia have traded freedom for security, freedom is more or less the same, yes, there had been a lot more monitoring and there had been a lot more restriction on certain thing, but freedom is not traded for security, on the other hand we had almost none attacks, big and small over the last 20 years. A few shooting here and there, but then it does not go over the national average anyway.
 
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RIP to the deceased, Fast recovery to the injured.
I didn't know these jihadists operate in Philippine too, these motherfvckers are everywhere.
 
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First of all, there still exist Extremism in China, just because it went underground does not mean it does not exist.

The problem between China and Philippine is different, one is an open insurrection, another is a closeted movement. Where one (in Philippine) enjoy support within their soil, the other (in China) enjoy support overseas.

China can still suppress the "resistance" does not mean the resistance went away, it just waiting on a chance to pound, we saw that all over Chinese History, every dynasty overthrown was because of either Political instability or People Revolt, don't forget People Revolt is how Communist gain their government in China just 67 years ago, so why do you think another People Revolt is not going to happen in the future??

On the other hand, Philippine is an open insurrection, which mean the tension has already reaches boiling point, where the local population is hostile against the government. You can only pacifies when the movement does not get any momentum, when they do, they will fight back when you push, this is why they have an open insurrection in Philippine.

And No, I would not say Australia have traded freedom for security, freedom is more or less the same, yes, there had been a lot more monitoring and there had been a lot more restriction on certain thing, but freedom is not traded for security, on the other hand we had almost none attacks, big and small over the last 20 years. A few shooting here and there, but then it does not go over the national average anyway.

I never say extremism will go away. If China can suppress the extremism and make them go underground with little disorder causes to society for next 100 years, I would call it a success.

RIP to the deceased, Fast recovery to the injured.
I didn't know these jihadists operate in Philippine too, these motherfvckers are everywhere.
A very weak central government is the root of the problem. Government shall never be soft on extremism. It a recipe waiting for disaster to happen.
 
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Why would you wish ill for a fellow Asean country.
Lets hope Duterte can quell the insurgency quickly, preferably with help from everybody including the US, China and Russia. China maybe able to help the Philippines similar to how China help bring peace to Sri Lanka. Chinese friendship with the Muslims in Philippines are centuries old.
Duterte is popular with the masses, though you may not get that from reading online news.
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US may be backing these insurgents in PH. The timing couldn't be more perfect. Nothing happens randomly in geopolitics
 
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Why would you wish ill for a fellow Asean country.
Lets hope Duterte can quell the insurgency quickly, preferably with help from everybody including the US, China and Russia. China maybe able to help the Philippines similar to how China help bring peace to Sri Lanka. Chinese friendship with the Muslims in Philippines are centuries old.
Duterte is popular with the masses, though you may not get that from reading online news.
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Durtete turns the Philippines into a slaughterhouse, beginning with his total war on drug. Does anyone believe he will win the war, ending drug consumption, with the cost of ten tausends lives and counting? And he is popular among the mass? No, I don't I'll-wish the philippines. It is just crazy to see a single man that turns a country up side down unchecked. Even Donald Trump, the most powerful leader of the world needs approval from parliament for most of his decisions, but Durtete can do whatever he likes. Check and balance? Never heard in the Philippines obviously.

Seriously I want to see the PLA involving on the conflict. The Chinese can show what they can bring peace and stability. However a warning: as seen elsewhere the terrorists will bring the war to China. And the confrontation could escalate. Srilanka war lasts for decades. I hope the terror won't last so long in the Philippines.
 
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I would say it's silently spreading. I've known some Uyghur and he was hell bent on hating China. When asked where he comes from, his answer was "East Turkistan" not China. This is just Xinjiang and in other places extremism is spreading with full momentum. It's a matter of time until they converge into one islamic insurgency.

This is Yunan:

Have you really been to the real xinjiang in the last 2-3 years? If you are talking about Uyghur in foreign countries that fled from China. There is nothing CPC can do anything to them. But rest assure. Extremism is not spreading in Xinjiang. In fact, it has been curbed.

Why are you showing a video of Chinese muslim having a peaceful graduation ceremony when we are talking about curbing extremism? Are you saying muslim is extremism? You seems to be mixing up Islam with extremism.

CPC has no problem of muslim spreading or muslim practicing in China. It is only against extremism.
 
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Durtete turns the Philippines into a slaughterhouse, beginning with his war on drug. And he is popular among the mass? No, I don't I'll-wish the philippines. It is just crazy to see a single man that turns a country up side down unchecked. Even Donald Trump, the most powerful leader of the world needs approval from parliament for most of his decisions, but Durtete can do whatever he likes. Check and balance? Never heard in the Philippines obviously.
Seriously I want to see the PLA involving on the conflict. The Chinese can show what they can bring peace and stability. However a warning: as seen elsewhere the terrorists will bring the war to China. And the confrontation could escalate. Srilanka war lasts for decades. I hope the terror won't last so long in the Philippines.
Muslim insurgency in the Philippines can be said to be 400 years already, since the Spaniards try to forcibly convert them to Catholics. The current conflict is more than 40 years, so its longer than in Sri Lanka.
I think I would know more about Pinoys than you. Give you a hint, Google my name.
You can hear gunfire every now and then in the night and the next morning somebody would be dead, nothing to do with Duterte. If a journalist dare to offend someone important, he will disappear soon.
Heard of Maguindanao massacre in 2009? 58 people including 34 journalists killed in broad daylight and today the killers are still free because important witnesses are killed off. Slaughterhouse?
I don't think the PLA want to be involved, that would be unwise. If China will generously loan a few dozen of drones and other anti insurgency equipment, it will be of help to the Philippines.
Of course all these are just fire fighting, the final solution should not be by force.
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It's unsurprising, I doubt any country would be able to avoid high casualties, when such a surprise assault takes place.

It won't last, this is a desperate measure for an insurgency that's trying hard to stay relevant. Honestly, this was a stupid move, because when the insurgents lose, there is a good chance that the insurgency will become irrelevant permanently.
Not backing any terrorism here but the fact remains for philliphines that if fedral govt of philliphines isn't ready to give at least some independence to its muslim populations , insurgencies would remain there , names may changed but they wont be tharshed out of philliphino. Lands never ?
Chcek the history , they will keep fighting a useless war which no one benefits but at least it lets world knows there is nothing well down there ?
Best way is to have a dialoge between the waring factions & govt & trust building measures ?

Posting this kind of stage propangada documentary does not help the real situation in Xinjiang. There is reason why China ban YouTube ,Google and Facebook in China with too many fabricate news by the CIA. You think Xinjiang is some North Korea where freedom is restricted? Does freedom even tie to extremism or terrorism? Ask yourself simple question, when will American even talk good things about China? China is a direct competitor that can pose to take over US. Would US try everything to stop China from rising?

Books and ticket and fly to Urumqi. It is no North Korea and you can see it for yourself.
Even banning of FB , YOUTUBE &other social media apps is bringing any peace to china ?
Or not ?
Best way is have comprihensive dialoge without it nothing will ever change ?

Muslim insurgency in the Philippines can be said to be 400 years already, since the Spaniards try to forcibly convert them to Catholics. The current conflict is more than 40 years, so its longer than in Sri Lanka.
I think I would know more about Pinoys than you. Give you a hint, Google my name.
You can hear gunfire every now and then in the night and the next morning somebody would be dead, nothing to do with Duterte. If a journalist dare to offend someone important, he will disappear soon.
Heard of Maguindanao massacre in 2009? 58 people including 34 journalists killed in broad daylight and today the killers are still free because important witnesses are killed off. Slaughterhouse?
I don't think the PLA want to be involved, that would be unwise. If China will generously loan a few dozen of drones and other anti insurgency equipment, it will be of help to the Philippines.
Of course all these are just fire fighting, the final solution should not be by force.
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Well said mate !
& i think this president has more oppourtutnities then any other pinoy presidents in the past to have a comprehensive dialoge &build trust amoung peacefull muslim groups & politicains & then put political preasure on the militants to come to the table for talks & for lasting peace ?
 
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Even banning of FB , YOUTUBE &other social media apps is bringing any peace to china ?
Or not ?
Best way is have comprihensive dialoge without it nothing will ever change ?

What makes you think there is no peace in China? China is peaceful today. Do you see China looks like Iraq or Syria or even Philippines now? Banning of FB, Youtube and Google is a successful strategy. Ironically, Hong KOng which has a different law from mainland China and access to FB, youtube and Google has anything but peace with different party divide and constant demonstration.

Buy a ticket and fly to any major PRC cities and see for yourself how peaceful and prosperous it is. CHina is not some north Korea where restriction visit is place on it. You are free to visit it anytime.
 
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What makes you think there is no peace in China? China is peaceful today. Do you see China looks like Iraq or Syria or even Philippines now? Banning of FB, Youtube and Google is a successful strategy. Ironically, Hong KOng which has a different law from mainland China and access to FB, youtube and Google has anything but peace with different party divide and constant demonstration.

Buy a ticket and fly to any major PRC cities and see for yourself how peaceful and prosperous it is. CHina is not some north Korea where restriction visit is place on it. You are free to visit it anytime.
Just wish nothing happens to china but if you think everything is fine in PRC. My friend I think you are wrong
 
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