What's new

Philippines Defence Forum

has the Philippines ever considered buying drones for COIN/surveillance?

the Reaper seems like a good fit
 
has the Philippines ever considered buying drones for COIN/surveillance?

the Reaper seems like a good fit

Y effing joking right?

Not also they're expensive, but down here we are still considering the ethical consideration of arming a heartless killing machine. Back on topic:

If Philippines going to a buy a MALE drones they would prob go with an Israeli Hermes.
1e416e97f3f01e01d6a9077f30e019c9.jpg
 
Y effing joking right?

Not also they're expensive, but down here we are still considering the ethical consideration of arming a heartless killing machine. Back on topic:

If Philippines going to a buy a MALE drones they would prob go with an Israeli Hermes.
View attachment 50374

meh can get 16 reapers and all the service that goes with it for coooool $1.5 billion
not cheap but defiantly worth it for the long haul.

hermes is alright, but can it also attack?
 
meh can get 16 reapers and all the service that goes with it for coooool $1.5 billion
not cheap but defiantly worth it for the long haul.

hermes is alright, but can it also attack?

Like I said there's still an ethical consideration of arming drones in SEA region.
 
meh can get 16 reapers and all the service that goes with it for coooool $1.5 billion
not cheap but defiantly worth it for the long haul.
hermes is alright, but can it also attack?
1.5 billion is more than half of Philippine annual defense budget, so I don't think your idea is feasible

And the Philippines so far done well with the Broncos, sure they need to be replaced soon, but they can replace it with other COIN plane like Super Tucano, which is cheaper, rather than with UCAV
 
An old news but it should give an idea why Philippine Economy is still behind compared to most ASEAN states
-----
PH still lags in FDI inflows as Asean integration nears - The Manila Times OnlineThe Manila Times Online
-----
PH still lags in FDI inflows as Asean integration nears
June 24, 2014 9:37 pm

Foreign direct investment (FDI) in the Philippines still lags behind those of other Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) members, and unless deterrents to investment are addressed, the country could lose out to its neighbors when an integrated Asean community begins implementation next year.


According to the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development’s (UNCTAD) World Investment Report 2014, FDI inflow in the Philippines grew 24 percent to $3.8 billion last year, with a phenomenal 118 percent increase seen in the first three quarters, but it took a hit from Typhoon Haiyan in the fourth quarter.

Presenting the UNCTAD report, Cielito Habito, chief of party of the USAID Trade Related Assistance for Development (TRADE) Project and former Philippine economic planning chief, said , “We are breaking last year’s FDI performance but we are still lagging behind our neighbors.”

Habito said some deterrents to FDI persist in the Philippines, such as constitutional restrictions on foreign ownership, the high cost of power, infrastructure inadequacies, cumbersome trade transaction processes, and governance hurdles including at the local government levels.

“(Our) policy measures are mostly geared towards investment promotion and liberalization but the share of regulatory or restrictive investment policies increased 27 percent in 2013,” Habito noted.

According to UNCTAD report, FDI inflow in Asean last year increased by 7 percent to $125 billion, with Singapore attracting half of it or $63.7 billion, Indonesia getting $18.4 billion, Thailand attracting $12.9 billion, Malaysia taking $12.3 billion, and Vietnam taking $8.9 billion.

The 10 member states of Asean and its six free trade agreement (FTA) partners—Australia, China, India, Japan, the Republic of Korea and New Zealand—have launched negotiations for a Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP).

In 2013, combined FDI inflows to the 16 negotiating members of the RCEP amounted to $343 billion, accounting for 24 percent of world inflows.

Over the last 15 years, proactive regional investment cooperation efforts in East and Southeast Asia have contributed to a rise in total and intraregional FDI in the region, the report said.

It said FDI flows from RCEP now makes up more than 40 percent of inflows to Asean, compared to 17 percent before 2000. Intraregional FDI in infrastructure and manufacturing, in particular, is bringing development opportunities to low-income countries such as Laos and Myanmar, the report said.

Asia is the world’s top recipient of foreign direct investment (FDI), accounting for nearly 30 percent of global FDI inflows, the report said. Total inflows to developing Asia (excluding West Asia) amounted to $382 billion in 2013, or 4 percent higher than in 2012.

Investment in sustainable development goals
“In a second analysis by UNCTAD, the investment incentives mostly focus on economic performance objectives, and less on sustainable development,” he said. “There is a need to better align incentives to sustainable development goals (SDGs),” Habito said.

“The SDGs are intended to galvanize action worldwide through concrete targets for the 2015 to 2030 period for poverty reduction, food security, human health and education, climate change mitigation, and a range of other objectives across the economic, social and environmental pillars,” Habito said.

Habito added that inadequate public finances will need to be supplemented by private sector investments, which are currently very low.

The UNCTAD report bats for doubling the annual growth rate of private investment from 8 percent to 15 percent per annum. It also cites the need for a proper balance between easing investment versus regulation to protect public interest, ensuring attractive returns versus accessibility and affordability of services for all, and is pushing for more private investment versus a parallel push for more public investment, which should complement each other.

Voltaire Palaña

-----

A 2012 chart of FDI in ASEAN region but due to the 60/40 Economic restriction, the PH still lags behind at present year (2014).

25819f4a5883620aa5bcc6429cde543e.jpg


Because of the Economic protectionism clause in the 1987 PH Constitution which are the following:
  • 40% foreign equity limit on the operation and management of public utilities (Article XII, Section 11)
  • 40% foreign equity limit on the exploitation of natural resources (Article XII, Section 2)
  • 40% foreign equity ceiling on the ownership of educational institutions (Article IX, Section 4)
  • 30% foreign equity limit on advertising agencies (Article XVI, Section 11)
  • Restriction on foreign ownership of media (Article XVI, Section 11)
  • Restriction on private land ownership by foreigners (Article XII, Section 7)
...the economy of the Philippines cannot move forward.
 
has the Philippines ever considered buying drones for COIN/surveillance?

the Reaper seems like a good fit

For now the afp are making its own drones for surveillance only, pretty much like a hobby plane
7188c24993d2ec886ec1fff8a99e0f89.jpg


Let's wait for EDCA to be finalized and see what will america brings when they station there wares here. although US has secretly has drones stationed before like this, i can't seemed to identify what kind of drones it is

f89b7ad9ea1f021233a3fb161e9211f1.jpg


4fb4c9333e1ea2c64e94ae0d2849a12f.jpg
 
Philippines, EU show common stance on China
Sep 16, 2014

The EU supports the Philippines’ bid for the resolution of its South China Sea dispute under UNCLOS, even as China rejects the 'internationalization' of the maritime row


984db5225c6fc906beed1ffb470b9be3.jpg

UPHOLDING UNCLOS. European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso (right) greets Philippine President Benigno Aquino III (left) at the European Commission in Brussels on September 15, 2014. Photo by Emmanuel Dunand/AFP

MANILA, Philippines – Portraying a common stance likely to agitate China, the Philippines and the European Union (EU) both upheld a key United Nations treaty that China allegedly violates in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).

Philippine President Benigno Aquino III told European Commission President José Manuel Barroso on Monday, September 15, that the Philippines “remains committed to advancing a peaceful, rules-based resolution to the disputes in the South China Sea.”

“Like the European Union, we believe that the only viable and effective solution is one that is based on international law – and in particular, under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea or UNCLOS," Aquino said in a statement at his joint press conference with Barroso at the European Commission headquarters in Brussels, Belgium, after their bilateral meeting.

Aquino added: "This is the basis for the arbitral proceedings we initiated last year. We also continue to work with ASEAN and with China towards the early conclusion of a legally binding Code of Conduct in the South China Sea."

For his part, Barroso said at the news conference, “Let me stress that the European Union encourages all parties to seek peaceful solutions, through dialogue and cooperation, in accordance with international law – in particular with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.”

He added that the EU “is proud to be a party” of the Treaty of Amity and Cooperation, which aims “to settle differences by peaceful means, to renounce the threat or use of force, and to effectively cooperate among partners.”

Aquino is visiting Europe for 8 days, at a cost of P31.9 million, to boost trade and to seek support for the Philippines' dispute with China over the West Philippine Sea.

'Europe supports us'

“Europe supports us in terms of peaceful resolution of China conflict within framework of international law including arbitration,” Philippine Foreign Assistant Secretary Zenaida Collinson earlier said. “We expect these countries to uphold their positions and take into cognizance recent developments.”

China, however, has frowned upon the “internationalization” of the South China Sea dispute.

Instead, it insists on bilateral or one-on-one talks with the parties involved in the dispute, instead of a multilateral or third-party approach.

International bodies like the EU have not explicitly taken sides on the South China Sea dispute, but have stressed the need to adhere to the UNCLOS.

The Philippines argues that China's 9-dash line, the demarcation it uses to claim virtually the entire South China Sea, violates the UNCLOS or the so-called Constitution for the Oceans. (READ: Grand theft of the global commons)

To resolve this dispute, the Southeast Asian country has filed an arbitration case against China, which the Asian giant has consistently rejected.


Philippines, EU show common stance on China
 
Oh boy...
-----
China media: Philippines a 'quasi-rogue' state | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com
-----
China media: Philippines a 'quasi-rogue' state
By Camille Diola (philstar.com) | Updated September 17, 2014 - 10:48am

26c96d6afed73ced0d28dce74b3822cb.jpg

In this Aug. 14, 2014 file photo, Philippine President Benigno Aquino III, center, hands brand new assault rifles to Filipino soldiers in a ceremonial distribution at the General Headquarters of the Armed Forces at Quezon City. AP/Bullit Marquez

MANILA, Philippines — Chinese media reacted to crimes and supposed threats against Chinese nationals in the Philippines, calling the country a "quasi-rogue" state without any real guarantee of safety of Chinese citizens.

The English-language Global Times in its editorial on Tuesday criticized Philippine authorities for instigating the public's "nationalist and anti-China sentiment," saying it can easily turn into "extremism" and can be used by the government as an excuse to cover its inefficiency in controlling crime.

"Poor social governance, an anti-China sentiment and a Western-style democratic system where nationalism can foment wantonly make the Philippines a quasi-rogue state," the state-run newspaper said.

It was an apparent reference to a recent incident at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport involving suspected bombers with a plot targeting Chinese businesses and an embassy. It also mentioned the 2010 hostage crisis that left dead eight Hong Kong nationals in Manila even as both governments have settled the matter earlier this year.

An article in Haiwai Net, meanwhile, claims that President Aquino and the Philippine media "led the country astray" by focusing on foreign policy than domestic issues.

"Yet he is also not good at handling foreign affairs," the commentary said amid Aquino's ongoing European trip.

The Global Times, moreover, slammed Manila for lack of sincerity in wanting to secure Chinese citizens, urging President Aquino to publicly apologize for the "serial attacks" in Philippine soil.

"Apart from this, Manila should take actions to crack down on provocations emanating from the extreme anti-China sentiment," it said.

Taking an apparent jab at the Philippines' claims over disputed areas in the South China Sea, the newspaper said that the crime incidents make Chinese citizens "highly suspicious" of whether the country can abide by international laws.

"We advise Chinese citizens not to travel there in the near future, which, while being an act of caution to ensure one's safety, is also a warning signal to the Philippines," it said.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry last week strongly warned against travel to the Philippines "given that the safety situation is deteriorating." China is among the major sources of tourists to the Philippines.

The warning comes as relations between the countries have soured and even turned hostile in recent years as Beijing and Manila battle over maritime claims.

-----

Define "rogue state" without using Superpower-centric definition.
 
Last edited:
Oh boy...
-----
China media: Philippines a 'quasi-rogue' state | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com
-----
China media: Philippines a 'quasi-rogue' state
By Camille Diola (philstar.com) | Updated September 17, 2014 - 10:48am

View attachment 56418
In this Aug. 14, 2014 file photo, Philippine President Benigno Aquino III, center, hands brand new assault rifles to Filipino soldiers in a ceremonial distribution at the General Headquarters of the Armed Forces at Quezon City. AP/Bullit Marquez

MANILA, Philippines — Chinese media reacted to crimes and supposed threats against Chinese nationals in the Philippines, calling the country a "quasi-rogue" state without any real guarantee of safety of Chinese citizens.

The English-language Global Times in its editorial on Tuesday criticized Philippine authorities for instigating the public's "nationalist and anti-China sentiment," saying it can easily turn into "extremism" and can be used by the government as an excuse to cover its inefficiency in controlling crime.

"Poor social governance, an anti-China sentiment and a Western-style democratic system where nationalism can foment wantonly make the Philippines a quasi-rogue state," the state-run newspaper said.

It was an apparent reference to a recent incident at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport involving suspected bombers with a plot targeting Chinese businesses and an embassy. It also mentioned the 2010 hostage crisis that left dead eight Hong Kong nationals in Manila even as both governments have settled the matter earlier this year.

An article in Haiwai Net, meanwhile, claims that President Aquino and the Philippine media "led the country astray" by focusing on foreign policy than domestic issues.

"Yet he is also not good at handling foreign affairs," the commentary said amid Aquino's ongoing European trip.

The Global Times, moreover, slammed Manila for lack of sincerity in wanting to secure Chinese citizens, urging President Aquino to publicly apologize for the "serial attacks" in Philippine soil.

"Apart from this, Manila should take actions to crack down on provocations emanating from the extreme anti-China sentiment," it said.

Taking an apparent jab at the Philippines' claims over disputed areas in the South China Sea, the newspaper said that the crime incidents make Chinese citizens "highly suspicious" of whether the country can abide by international laws.

"We advise Chinese citizens not to travel there in the near future, which, while being an act of caution to ensure one's safety, is also a warning signal to the Philippines," it said.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry last week strongly warned against travel to the Philippines "given that the safety situation is deteriorating." China is among the major sources of tourists to the Philippines.

The warning comes as relations between the countries have soured and even turned hostile in recent years as Beijing and Manila battle over maritime claims.

-----

Define "rogue state" without using Superpower-centric definition.

This comming from the blocks who killed someone for diving a Japanese car and mass ralles to destory property and people using items from hated countries talk to us about being safe and civilized i mean really the chinese are real morons if they think that the vast majority of the Filipinos will take this arrogant post sitting down from a mouthpiece non the less well think again i for one would love the chinese pluage from coming here just conducting illegal activities here anyway and as tourist majority of them are uncivilized bad tourist from bad people and this coming from a the nation allowed a filipino to killed in beijing and notorious for blackmailing tourist to buy more and taking from place to place asking them higher fares and pollution that blocks off the sun ha laughble safety wish and health wish china is more dangerous than Philippines could ever be. Nice try china on the Safety issues but if your looking for unsafe and unhealth better look in mirror chumps.
 
has the Philippines ever considered buying drones for COIN/surveillance?

the Reaper seems like a good fit
COIN shouldn't be the topic of modernization. Should be on long-range/high endurance maritime reconnaissance platforms. The Philippine should invest on.
 
COIN shouldn't be the topic of modernization. Should be on long-range/high endurance maritime reconnaissance platforms. The Philippine should invest on.

I agree, they may do well to invest also in replacing their aging maritime aviation platform. Since Japan concluded a defense deal with India on the ShinMaywa US-2 , I believe that Japan should consider selling these to the Philippines for use in their Navy.
 
decommissioned and refurbished maybe, but brand new? not a chance
 
Back
Top Bottom