Philippines Defence Forum

[Cossack25A1]

Yes, one can't just reversed a 100 years US influence in within span of 6 years. Still, the Filipinos had no deep seated historical grievances against China, convincing Filipinos will take time but it will not be so hard.

Take for instance Japan, who's Imperial Army invaded the entire Philippines in WWII, is now enjoying a much higher trust among the Filipinos compared China. This despite the fact that the Chinese did not commit atrocities while occupying an inhospitable rock formation in the middle of the sea.

I think the pro-American Philippine media has something to do on why the Chinese side of the story in the SCS did not even minutely register in the Filipino public's consciousness. It is only now under Duterte that the Philippines mainstream media is under intense scrutiny by the Filipinos, they had a hard time selling US agenda unlike before.

And there's Duterte, with an unusual high trust rating acting as China's apologist and vicious critic of the West. Five years is quite enough time for improvements on China's image in the Philippines. Plus they can put money where there mouth is.

Just like how you hate the Americans as a whole, there will be Filipinos who hates Mainlanders as a whole

 

[Kulas Mata]

Philippines' Duterte says Malaysian Islamist militant killed
From Associated Free Press (AFP) News, via Yahoo

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte said Thursday that a Malaysian militant tipped to become the new leader of the Islamic State in Southeast Asia had been killed.

Mahmud Ahmad was described by the Philippine military as a "high value target" who had funded an attack by pro-IS militants on the southern city of Marawi in May and connected local insurgents with jihadists in the Middle East.

Duterte said Mahmud was the latest militant leader to have been killed in the nearly five-month battle in Marawi following the death of Isnilon Hapilon, the head of IS in Southeast Asia, and his ally Omarkhayam Maute on Monday.

"Now the other (one), the one they called 'Doc' -- there are three: Hapilon, Omar and the Doc -- he was taken this afternoon, and that completes the story," Duterte said at a business conference in Manila, drawing applause from the crowd.

Hours before Duterte spoke, military chief of staff General Eduardo Ano said the armed forces were "increasingly becoming confident" that Mahmud was among 13 militants killed in fighting on Wednesday night, citing accounts of freed hostages.

A DNA test would later be conducted on the body, military spokesman Major-General Restituto Padilla told AFP.

Pro-IS gunmen occupied parts of Marawi -- the main Islamic city in the predominantly Catholic Philippines -- on May 23, triggering intense fighting that has killed more than 1,000 people and reduced the city centre to rubble.

On Tuesday, Duterte declared Marawi "liberated from terrorists' influence" but the military said fighting was continuing against at least 20 remaining militants.

Following Hapilon's death, terrorism expert Ahmad Kumar Ramakrishna from Singapore's S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies said if Mahmud survived he would likely take over the leadership of IS-linked fighters in the southern Philippines.

"He was the one responsible for the direct linkage of Hapilon to the larger group of the Daesh. It was he who provided the funding necessary to bankroll the siege of Marawi," Padilla said on Tuesday, using another term for IS.

The Jakarta-based Institute for Policy Analysis of Conflict described Mahmud as a former university lecturer who sat on the "inner circle of the Marawi command structure".

"Mahmud controlled recruitment as well as financing and has been the contact person for any foreigner wanting to join the pro-ISIS coalition in the Philippines", stated the July report.

Just like how you hate the Americans as a whole, there will be Filipinos who hates Mainlanders as a whole

I don't hate the US just because I have a positive outlook on China. I just want US and China to have both equal footing in Philippines foreign policy. Continuing bellicose attitude towards China will be disadvantageous to the Philippines in the long run as the US power is waning. Regional powers are rising and there's one right in our neighborhood.

Yes, you're right though, there will be always Filipinos who who will be forever be indebted to the US, specially those who are on the American pensions and those who earn their living in the US. One does not simply bites the hand that feeds.

hoax

No its not. Duterte did claimed Chinese sniper rifle were used in killing HVTs in Marawi. Whether its true or not remain to be seen as the AFP has not yet officially divulge full details of the incident to the public.

 

[21stCentury]

Just recently, the Citizen National Guard, a local organization composed of both active and retired military personalities, reservist, nationalist, lawyers and private citizens in the Philippines has identified the US NED (National Endowment Democracy) as an overt organization of the CIA posing as an NGO. This CIA sub-contractor is actively funding media outfits in the Philippines who are overly-critical of Pres. Duterte's government policy on both local and foreign.

Like cancer they try to destroy you from within in. Divide and counter takes on many forms. Let see how president Duterte will eliminate this CIA virus.

 

[Nike]

Philippines' Duterte says Malaysian Islamist militant killed
From Associated Free Press (AFP) News, via Yahoo

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte said Thursday that a Malaysian militant tipped to become the new leader of the Islamic State in Southeast Asia had been killed.

Mahmud Ahmad was described by the Philippine military as a "high value target" who had funded an attack by pro-IS militants on the southern city of Marawi in May and connected local insurgents with jihadists in the Middle East.

Duterte said Mahmud was the latest militant leader to have been killed in the nearly five-month battle in Marawi following the death of Isnilon Hapilon, the head of IS in Southeast Asia, and his ally Omarkhayam Maute on Monday.

"Now the other (one), the one they called 'Doc' -- there are three: Hapilon, Omar and the Doc -- he was taken this afternoon, and that completes the story," Duterte said at a business conference in Manila, drawing applause from the crowd.

Hours before Duterte spoke, military chief of staff General Eduardo Ano said the armed forces were "increasingly becoming confident" that Mahmud was among 13 militants killed in fighting on Wednesday night, citing accounts of freed hostages.

A DNA test would later be conducted on the body, military spokesman Major-General Restituto Padilla told AFP.

Pro-IS gunmen occupied parts of Marawi -- the main Islamic city in the predominantly Catholic Philippines -- on May 23, triggering intense fighting that has killed more than 1,000 people and reduced the city centre to rubble.

On Tuesday, Duterte declared Marawi "liberated from terrorists' influence" but the military said fighting was continuing against at least 20 remaining militants.

Following Hapilon's death, terrorism expert Ahmad Kumar Ramakrishna from Singapore's S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies said if Mahmud survived he would likely take over the leadership of IS-linked fighters in the southern Philippines.

"He was the one responsible for the direct linkage of Hapilon to the larger group of the Daesh. It was he who provided the funding necessary to bankroll the siege of Marawi," Padilla said on Tuesday, using another term for IS.

The Jakarta-based Institute for Policy Analysis of Conflict described Mahmud as a former university lecturer who sat on the "inner circle of the Marawi command structure".

"Mahmud controlled recruitment as well as financing and has been the contact person for any foreigner wanting to join the pro-ISIS coalition in the Philippines", stated the July report.



I don't hate the US just because I have a positive outlook on China. I just want US and China to have both equal footing in Philippines foreign policy. Continuing bellicose attitude towards China will be disadvantageous to the Philippines in the long run as the US power is waning. Regional powers are rising and there's one right in our neighborhood.

Yes, you're right though, there will be always Filipinos who who will be forever be indebted to the US, specially those who are on the American pensions and those who earn their living in the US. One does not simply bites the hand that feeds.



No its not. Duterte did claimed Chinese sniper rifle were used in killing HVTs in Marawi. Whether its true or not remain to be seen as the AFP has not yet officially divulge full details of the incident to the public.

Had been discussed in details before at another forum and revelation from scout ranger member before. Expilisit reason

1. The one who hunting Isnilon Hapilon and Omar Maute is Scout Ranger member along with light cav. Regiment units with UT25 equipped M113A2. Not Police Force
2. Chinese equipment is intended for Police Corps not the Army, meanwhile Scout ranger is from Army unit
3. Chinese equipment is still in certification process before can be uses at real battle, so it is not possible to find them in Marawi at this moment

 

[Kulas Mata]

Had been discussed in details before at another forum and revelation from scout ranger member before. Expilisit reason

1. The one who hunting Isnilon Hapilon and Omar Maute is Scout Ranger member along with light cav. Regiment units with UT25 equipped M113A2. Not Police Force
2. Chinese equipment is intended for Police Corps not the Army, meanwhile Scout ranger is from Army unit
3. Chinese equipment is still in certification process before can be uses at real battle, so it is not possible to find them in Marawi at this moment

1. In case it was not mention in that forum, PNP is actually involve in the Marawi City operation, and that is the PNP-SAF.
2. Yes, as far as the Chinese cloned M4s are concern but the Chinese sniper rifles could have been already been distributed to special units in Marawi for actually performance in battle.
3. Not certification but for inventory, the AFP Spokeperson, Brig. Gen. Padilla said it himself as far as June.

Here's one proof that Chinese sniper rifles are already in use in Marawi.

https://twitter.com/x/status/895218582799265794

Knowing how rabidly pro-American are most Philippine mainstream media, it is not surprising information like this are not considered newsworthy, hence the little coverage on Chinese weapons.

 

[cnleio]

bodies of terrorist leaders isnilon hapilon and omar maute

News from China side , it's Philippines Special Force （BAKAL）shot China type26 (CS/LS4) sniper rifle to kill two terrorist leaders, ambush action in the evening.

type26(CS/LS4) sniper rifle:

 

[dy1022]

Kill them all, good luck to the people of Philippine,wish a quick rebuilding in Marawi!

 

[Kulas Mata]

News from China side , it's Philippines Special Force （BAKAL）shot China type26 (CS/LS4) sniper rifle to kill two terrorist leaders, ambush action in the evening.

type26(CS/LS4) sniper rifle:
View attachment 432525

Still no official statement from the Philippines Army specifically on what type of sniper rifle or weapon were used in killing the two HVTs. In the absence of official details on this issue, everybody have the liberty to their assumptions.

I don't have information whether the Type 26(CS/LS4) that China donated comes with Thermal imaging/scope but if it did, there's a higher chance on the assumption that the 8th Scout Ranger Company that killed IH and OM did used Chines Type-26(CS/LS4).

Here's a blown-up image of one Scout Ranger ace-sniper using what seems to be a Type 26(CS/LS4). This guy alone has 9 confirmed hits while his buddy bagged 5 heads.

Compare his rifle's silhouette to the one below that Duterte tried on.

The bipod and the bolt handle is such a give-away.

 

[cnleio]

Still no official statement from the Philippines Army specifically on what type of sniper rifle or weapon were used in killing the two HVTs. In the absence of official details on this issue, everybody have the liberty to their assumptions.

I don't have information whether the Type 26(CS/LS4) that China donated comes with Thermal imaging/scope but if it did, there's a higher chance on the assumption that the 8th Scout Ranger Company that killed IH and OM did used Chines Type-26(CS/LS4).

Here's a blown-up image of one Scout Ranger ace-sniper using what seems to be a Type 26(CS/LS4). This guy alone has 9 confirmed hits while his buddy bagged 5 heads.
View attachment 432563
Compare his rifle's silhouette to the one below that Duterte tried on. View attachment 432564 The bipod and the bolt handle is such a give-away.

No doubt China is arming Philippines Army for fighting against terrorism, donate rifles just beginning ... when both nations develop more co-operative relationship, i sure future China can support new armored vehicles to Philippines Army, since past 60 years China had good experience on arming a foreign military force to win their wars.

 

[Cossack25A1]

1. In case it was not mention in that forum, PNP is actually involve in the Marawi City operation, and that is the PNP-SAF.
2. Yes, as far as the Chinese cloned M4s are concern but the Chinese sniper rifles could have been already been distributed to special units in Marawi for actually performance in battle.
3. Not certification but for inventory, the AFP Spokeperson, Brig. Gen. Padilla said it himself as far as June.

Here's one proof that Chinese sniper rifles are already in use in Marawi.

https://twitter.com/x/status/895218582799265794

Knowing how rabidly pro-American are most Philippine mainstream media, it is not surprising information like this are not considered newsworthy, hence the little coverage on Chinese weapons.

It is used but that doesn't mean CC weapons are used to kill those terrorists leaders.

 

[Kulas Mata]

Fighting in Marawi City is over
By Claire Jiao and Lara Tan, CNN Philippines

Clark, Pampanga (CNN Philippines, October 23) — The Philippine government on Monday declared the end of five months of fighting in Marawi City and victory against Southeast Asia's "most serious threat of violent extremism."

Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana announced the end to all combat operations against ISIS-inspired Maute terrorists after the military killed the last remaining local and foreign terrorists in the city.

"After 154 days of the siege of Marawi by the Daesh-inspired Maute-ISIS group, or after a week since the Commander-In-Chief declared the liberation of Marawi, we now announce the termination of all combat operations in Marawi," he said at the ASEAN Defense Ministers meeting in this freeport zone north of Manila. "Daesh" is the Arabic acronym used to refer to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, but its use is considered an insult by the terrorists.

Lorenzana said the killing of 920 of the Maute group including foreign fighters and its top leaders has prevented the spread of extremism in Asia.

"In crushing thus far the most serious attempt to export violent extremism and radicalism in the Philippines and in the region, we have contributed to preventing its spread in Asia," he said.

Defense chiefs of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) are on the first of two-day meetings here in the runup to the leaders' summit in November.

Malacanang welcomed the news and reiterated government's victory.

"We have successfully concluded what has been, so far, the most serious threat of violent extremism and radicalism in the Philippines and in Southeast Asia," said Presidential Spokesperson Ernesto Abella in a statement Monday.

In Marawi City, more than 1,500 kilometers away from here, Joint Task Force Ranao Deputy Commander Colonel Romeo Brawner said Lorenzana's declaration means the military has ended their assaults against Maute members.

"When we say 'termination of combat operations,' this means that we are terminating the assault, the offensive attack on the positions of the Maute-ISIS," he said.

Brawner said government troops will defend themselves in case they come across stragglers.

Lorenzana said a total of 42 cadavers — composed of Maute terrorists, two wives of fighters, and five possible foreign combatants — were found in a building believed to be the last stronghold of the Maute. Amin Baco, the reported leader of the stragglers in Marawi, could also be part of the casualties, he added.

"No more. There are no more militants around Marawi City," he said.

Brawner cited hostages saying that even the kin of the Maute had taken up arms. "'Yung ibang asawa ng mga Maute ay nakipaglaban na rin because they feel desperate. We believe na kasama sila (foreign terrorists) sa cadavers na ire-recover natin."

Abu Sayyaf leader Isnilon Hapilon, Maute leader Omar Maute, and Dr. Mahmud Ahmad, the Malaysian militant who funded the war were killed during the 154 days of fighting.

All 1,780 hostages of the terrorists have been rescued by the military.

The deaths of the top two leaders on October 16 marked a significant turning point in the crisis, and prompted President Rodrigo Duterte to declare the liberation of Marawi City from terrorists on October 17.

It is used but that doesn't mean CC weapons are used to kill those terrorists leaders.

The Armed Forces of the Philippines has not yet issued an official statement on that matter. What I have shown so far is China's rifles were actually used in Marawi by PH elite forces contrary to what is being trumpeted in most pro-US defense forums, that the Chinese weapons are still under evaluation by the AFP.

 

[Cossack25A1]

The Armed Forces of the Philippines has not yet issued an official statement on that matter. What I have shown so far is China's rifles were actually used in Marawi by PH elite forces contrary to what is being trumpeted in most pro-US defense forums, that the Chinese weapons are still under evaluation by the AFP.

Post your source that the Philippine Army special forces are using Chinese-donated rifles aside from what Pres. Duterte's claims. And I mean from the Philippine military website as those website will have news about it.

 

[jhungary]

Still no official statement from the Philippines Army specifically on what type of sniper rifle or weapon were used in killing the two HVTs. In the absence of official details on this issue, everybody have the liberty to their assumptions.

I don't have information whether the Type 26(CS/LS4) that China donated comes with Thermal imaging/scope but if it did, there's a higher chance on the assumption that the 8th Scout Ranger Company that killed IH and OM did used Chines Type-26(CS/LS4).

Here's a blown-up image of one Scout Ranger ace-sniper using what seems to be a Type 26(CS/LS4). This guy alone has 9 confirmed hits while his buddy bagged 5 heads.
View attachment 432563
Compare his rifle's silhouette to the one below that Duterte tried on. View attachment 432564 The bipod and the bolt handle is such a give-away.

You can see the rifle is different between a Chinese NSG1 CS/LR4 and what the sniper used. The bolt of CS/LR4 is arched backward and straight, so you will need to charge the rifle backhanded with your right hand (with your palm facing up) the rifle the soldier using have the bolted arched backward and downward and bended, so you can use front hand to charge the handle (So you charge the weapon palm facing downward) This is 2 distinct design so the rifle could not be the same.

The scope and bipod can be third party so you cannot use the scope cover and bipod to distinguish whether or not the rifle are the same because I can use both the same bipod and scope on 2 different rifles as long as it take the same RIS system, but you cannot change the design of a rifle.

 

[Kulas Mata]

China's donation of equipments for Marawi Rehabilitation.
CTTO - DPWH Sec. Mark Villar

Pro-US Philippine media is not showing these in their broadcast.

Post your source that the Philippine Army special forces are using Chinese-donated rifles aside from what Pres. Duterte's claims. And I mean from the Philippine military website as those website will have news about it.

Lorenzana thanks partner countries for help in Marawi siege
By: Frances Mangosing- Reporter / Philippine Daily Inquirer 03:26 PM October 23, 2017

LARK FREEPORT – Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana on Monday expressed his gratitude to the country’s partner countries that helped in the five-month long Marawi siege.

“We’d like to thank the nations that helped us — China, United States, Australia, Malaysia, Indonesia, also Brunei and Singapore,” he told reporters on the sidelines of the regional security forum of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean).

Lorenzana’s statement came after he declared the termination of combat operations in Marawi City, exactly five months after the fighting between government troops and Islamic State-linked Maute Group erupted.

Asked by a reporter on the difference of the assistance given by China and US in the Marawi crisis, Lorenzana said China provided weapons while the latter helped on the technical side.

“China gave us firearms and ammunition and sniper rifles, while the United States provided technical intelligence,” he said.

China earlier donated thousands of sniper and assault rifles to the Philippines for the Marawi siege. The bulk of the donation went to the Philippine National Police while the sniper rifles were given to the military.

“Some of their (China) rifles were used against the terrorists so they are in the frontlines while the Americans provided us images of the enemy. They have very sophisticated intelligence gathering capability that they offered us,” Lorenzana said.

Unless you do not consider units of 1st Scout Ranger Regiment as special forces then I rest my case.

 

[Kulas Mata]

You can see the rifle is different between a Chinese NSG1 CS/LR4 and what the sniper used. The bolt of CS/LR4 is arched backward and straight, so you will need to charge the rifle backhanded with your right hand (with your palm facing up) the rifle the soldier using have the bolted arched backward and downward and bended, so you can use front hand to charge the handle (So you charge the weapon palm facing downward) This is 2 distinct design so the rifle could not be the same.

The scope and bipod can be third party so you cannot use the scope cover and bipod to distinguish whether or not the rifle are the same because I can use both the same bipod and scope on 2 different rifles as long as it take the same RIS system, but you cannot change the design of a rifle.

I respect your expert opinion but Philippines army loves their sniper rifle's bipods with springs and they don't have the time and luxury for two sets of bipods in the middle of terrorist siege. Besides the few bolt-action type sniper rifles of the army have ball-edged charging handles like its MS24s and Robar SR-60s unlike the Chinese' CS/LR4s that China donated recently.

Springs

M24

And here's a an CS/LR4 chambered, albeit with ball-edge type handle.

Compare to my smoking gun..

All images CTTO.
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In other news...

Russia and Philippines sign contract for delivery of grenade launchers
TASS, Russian News Agency

CLARK /Philippines/, October 24. /TASS/. Moscow and Manila have signed a contract for the delivery of the Russian-made RPG-7B grenade launchers and ammunition to the Philippines.

The contract was signed by Russia’s Rosoboronexport CEO Alexander Mikheyev and Philippine Defense Minister Delfin Lorenzana in the presence of Russian Defense Minister Army General Sergey Shoigu.

The signing ceremony took place in the Philippines’ Clark, where the fourth meeting of defense ministers of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) member states and dialogue partners is being held.

Image by Yuri Smityuk/TASS