Philippines & China agree to hold regular talks on Spratlys

[Martian2]

No need 50 years, only few seconds, remember how they erased Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

You seem to have forgotten that China is the world's third-largest thermonuclear power with at least 294 megatons in thermonuclear weaponry.

In the following post, I only discussed China's DF-31A. I haven't addressed China's DF-31, DF-5, and the upcoming 10-MIRVed DF-41. Also, I did not cover the submarine-launched JL-1s and JL-2s. Furthermore, I haven't discussed China's 5,000km Underground Great Wall and the potential number of ICBMs hidden in there.

China's DF-31As deter 144 cities

China's DF-31A launch

Let's do the math to see if China's DF-31A mobile ICBM retaliatory force is sufficient to provide a nuclear deterrent.

"Britain`s International Institute of Strategic Studies notes" there are "24 DF-31A ICBMs, indicating a possible increase of one new brigade from 2008 to 2009." China is increasing her DF-31A ICBM force by approximately 12 missiles/one brigade a year.

We will add 12 more missiles from 2009 to 2010 and another dozen missiles from 2010 to 2011. A reasonable estimate of China's DF-31A force is 48 ICBMs (e.g. 24 at end of 2009; 36 at end of 2010; and 48 at end of 2011).

If Richard Fisher's information is correct and China's DF-31A is MIRVed with three warheads then that means the 48 DF-31As are armed with a total of 144 warheads (e.g. 48 DF-31As x 3 MIRVed warheads = 144 warheads).

We know China possesses the technology for a W-88 class warhead with a yield of 475 kilotons. The conclusion is that China's DF-31A nuclear force is capable of retaliating against 144 cities. That does seem to be a formidable second-strike capability.

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China and START. Missile buildup may surpass U.S., Russia as they denuclearize

"China and START
By Richard D. Fisher Jr.,
The Washington Times,
20 September 2010
...
In its latest report to the Congress on China`s military released on Aug. 16, the Pentagon says there are less than 10 DF-31 and "10-15" DF-31A ICBMs, up to five more than reported in the previous year`s report, covering 2008. However, in the 2010 issue of "Military Balance," Britain`s International Institute of Strategic Studies notes there is one brigade of 12 DF-31s and two brigades or 24 DF-31A ICBMs, indicating a possible increase of one new brigade from 2008 to 2009.
...
This analyst has been told by Asian military sources that the DF-31A already carries three warheads and that one deployed DF-5B carries five or six warheads."

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The most interesting and controversial debate regarding China's reverse-engineering was the development of China's W-88 class miniaturized thermonuclear warhead. The U.S. claims China appropriated the designs and reverse-engineered the W-88 warhead. China says that isn't true.

China says this is a case of convergent engineering. For example, an airplane must have two wings to provide lift and an engine to provide thrust in the rear. Another example of convergent engineering is all rockets are long and thin. In other words, form must follow function. There is only a very limited way to create a massive thermonuclear explosion using a compact warhead.

Here is the crux of the problem. "U.S. government realized that information derived from Chinese tests in 1992-1996 were similar to U.S. nuclear designs." The Chinese nuclear tests data are "similar," but not identical to U.S. nuclear tests on the W-88.

W88 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The W88 is a United States thermonuclear warhead, with an estimated yield of 475 kiloton (kt), and is small enough to fit on MIRVed missiles. The W88 was designed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in the 1970s. In 1999 the director of Los Alamos who had presided over its design described it as "The most advanced U.S. nuclear warhead."[1]

The Trident II SLBM can be armed with up to 8 W88 (475 kt) warheads (Mark 5) or 8 W76 (100 kt) warheads (Mark 4), but it is limited to 4 warheads under SORT."

NTI: Research Library: Country Profiles: China

"...According to the Cox Committee Report, suspicion of China's nuclear espionage started after the U.S. government realized that information derived from Chinese tests in 1992-1996 were similar to U.S. nuclear designs. This similarity, combined with other information derived from classified sources, led the Cox Committee to claim that China had stolen several bomb designs, including the U.S.' most advanced W-88 design and a design for an enhanced radiation weapon (neutron bomb). Yet, the Cox Report has been severely criticized by both experts and officials in the United States as a political document that has several technical inaccuracies."

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China has an estimated 294 megatons of thermonuclear deterrence

Rankings of world thermonuclear powers by megatons of firepower:

1. Russia - 1,273 megatons

2. United States - 570 megatons

3. China - 294 megatons (China has over half the nuclear firepower of the United States)

4. France - 55 megatons

5. Britain - 16 megatons

References:

Russia: http://www.nti.org/db/disarmament/country_russia.html
United States: http://www.nti.org/db/disarmament/country_usa.html
China: http://www.nti.org/db/disarmament/country_china.html
France: http://www.nti.org/db/disarmament/country_france.html
Britain: http://www.nti.org/db/disarmament/country_uk.html

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China's "possible warhead assembly and production facilities" (source: NTI)

http://www.nti.org/db/disarmament/country_china.html

People's Republic of China (PRC)
NPT Nuclear Weapon State

1. Arsenal Size:

Most opaque of the nuclear weapons state; limited open source information.
Operational strategic warheads: ~176 (Warheads in stockpile: 240)[1]

2. Key Delivery Systems:[2,3,4,5]

* Land-based missiles: Approximately 120.(ICBM: DF-4, DF-5A DF-31, DF-31A; MRBM: DF-3A, DF-21)
* Aircraft: 20 (Hong-6)
* SLBM: 1 Xia-class sub carrying12 JL-1s, never fully deployed; 2 Jin-class subs deployed, 1 under development can each carry 12 JL-2; however the JL-2s have not yet been deployed
* Cruise missiles: DH-10 (nuclear capable) 50-250 deployed
* No credible evidence to confirm that non-strategic weapons still remain in operational force

3. Estimated Destructive Power: 294 [megatons][6]

4. Military Fissile Material Stockpile: (estimates)

Plutonium: 4 mt (+/- 20 %)[7]
HEU: 20 mt [8]

5. Disarmament and Commitments to Reduce Arsenal Size:

Legal obligation to pursue global disarmament under Article VI of the NPT[9]

Future Commitments:

In support of verifiable FMCT negotiation. The treaty should not cover existing stockpiles[10]

6. Nuclear Weapons Policies

1. Nuclear testing:

* Observed nuclear testing moratorium since July 1996.[12]
* Signed but not ratified CTBT[13]

2. Use of nuclear weapons:

* Adopted no-first use policy[14,15]


* Negative Security Assurances to NWFZ treaty members:

Committed not to use nuclear weapons against members of:
Tlatelolco, Rarotonga, and Pelindaba. Has not signed Bangkok, but reiterates its support.[16]


* Acknowledged the commitments of the NWS to negative security assurances in UN Security Council Resolution 984 (1995).[17]
* Expressed its support for legally binding unconditional negative security assurances.[18]

Sources:
[1] Robert S. Norris and Hans M. Kristensen, "Chinese Nuclear Forces, 2008," Nuclear Notebook, Natural Resources Defense Council, Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, July/August 2008, pp 42-45, http://thebulletin.metapress.com.
[2] Robert S. Norris and Hans M. Kristensen, "Chinese Nuclear Forces, 2008," Nuclear Notebook, Natural Resources Defense Council, Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, July/August 2008, pp 42-45, http://thebulletin.metapress.com.
[3] Ballistic and Cruise Missile Threat, National Air Space Intelligence Center, April 2009, www.fas.org.
[4] Military Power of the People's Republic of China 2008, US Department of Defense, www.defense.gov.
[5] Chinese Nuclear Forces, Strategic Security Blog, Federation of American Scientists, www.fas.org.
[6] Eliminating Nuclear Threats, ICNND Report, www.icnnd.org.
[7] International Panel on Fissile Materials, Global Fissile Material Report 2009, www.fissilematerials.org.
[8] International Panel on Fissile Materials, Global Fissile Material Report 2009, www.fissilematerials.org.
[9] Inventory of International Nonproliferation Organizations & Regimes, www.nti.org.
[10] Statement by Ambassador Jingye Cheng to the Conference on Disarmament, Geneva, 17 May 2006, www.reachingcriticalwill.org.
[11] Military Power of the People's Republic of China 2008, US Department of Defense, www.defense.gov.
[12] CTBTO website, Nuclear Testing page, www.ctbto.org.
[13] Inventory of International Nonproliferation Organizations & Regimes, www.nti.org.
[14] Working Paper Submitted by China to the 2010 NPT Review Conference, 6 May 2010, www.reachingcriticalwill.org.
[15] Statement by the Chinese Delegation on the Issue of Security Assurances at the Third Session of the Preparatory committee for the 2010 NPT Review Conference, 7 May 2009, www.reachingcriticalwill.org.
[16] NTI Nuclear Weapon Free Zone Tutorial Protocol Chart, www.nti.org.
[17] NTI Nuclear Weapon Free Zone Tutorial, Chapter 3, Security Assurances, www.nti.org.
[18] Working Paper Submitted by China to the 2010 NPT Review Conference, 6 May 2010, www.reachingcriticalwill.org.

 

[Martian2]

Justice Seeker, you seem to be unaware of China's thermonuclear arsenal. I have provided the following post to enlighten you. Will you now agree with me that the United States is not willing to risk its own annihilation for a few 2,000-year-old Chinese islands in the South China Sea?

By the way, if you look at item #2 of "China's Nuclear Strike Force," I did discuss China's DF-5 "city-buster" nuclear missiles. I want to point out that Richard Fisher has reported that China has a new DF-5B with 5 or 6 MIRVed warheads.

China and START. Missile buildup may surpass U.S., Russia as they denuclearize

"China and START
By Richard D. Fisher Jr.,
The Washington Times,
20 September 2010
...
In its latest report to the Congress on China`s military released on Aug. 16, the Pentagon says there are less than 10 DF-31 and "10-15" DF-31A ICBMs, up to five more than reported in the previous year`s report, covering 2008. However, in the 2010 issue of "Military Balance," Britain`s International Institute of Strategic Studies notes there is one brigade of 12 DF-31s and two brigades or 24 DF-31A ICBMs, indicating a possible increase of one new brigade from 2008 to 2009.
...
This analyst has been told by Asian military sources that the DF-31A already carries three warheads and that one deployed DF-5B carries five or six warheads."

China's Nuclear Strike Force

Regarding the issue of whether China has an adequate number of nuclear ICBMs, I don't believe this problem has been overlooked by the competent government of China.

1) China has the 5,000km "Underground Great Wall." You can hide a lot of ICBMs in a 5,000km underground facility. See http://forum.*********************/index.php?showtopic=86413

China's 5,000km "Underground Great Wall"

China's "Underground Great Wall" has massive tunnels to accommodate trains carrying nuclear ordnance.

China's "Underground Great Wall" has massive blast doors.

China's "Underground Great Wall" can simultaneously accommodate two trains and can switch tracks.

2) The 20 silo-based "city-buster" DF-5 ICBMs (i.e. 4 to 5 megatons) alone can destroy 20 American cities. If you annihilate the top 20 American cities, you are talking about roughly 30 million dead plus nuclear fallout. This is called nuclear deterrence.

3) China has road-mobile and rail-mobile ICBM launchers.

China's Nuclear Option | The Diplomat

"China’s Nuclear Option
April 26, 2010

By Richard Weitz

Chinese policymakers say the country’s rapidly modernizing nuclear force is nothing to fear. They could do more to prove it."

China's road-mobile ICBMs.

Rail-Mobile ICBMs enter Chinese arsenal

"Rail-Mobile ICBMs enter Chinese arsenal
Kanwa Information Center ^

Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 11:19:59 PM by Filibuster_60

Kanwa was informed that the development of train-borne DF31 ICBM is already completed, and the deployment of these missiles has also been prepared. The development of DF31A, a upgraded version of DF31, has also already been completed.

In order to further enhance the mobile nuclear striking power and the capability to survive attacks, China has developed new types of DF31 series ICBMs similar to the former Soviet Union train-borne SS-24. In normal days, these missiles are moved along the railroads, while at time of war, they can be transported to selected sites and then launch nuclear assaults upon the enemy. DF31 is manufactured in Sichuan at Sichuan Areospace Industry Corporation. Reliable sources from China military industry say the major difference between DF31 and DF31A lies in their warheads. The former has single warhead, while the latter has multi-warheads."

4) China has Type 094 submarines carrying JL-2 SLBMs.

China's most-powerful Jin-class SSBN nuclear deterrent.

5) Nuclear-capable DH-10 cruise missiles have been added to the Chinese nuclear arsenal.

6) I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. However, for the sake of completeness, I want to point out that "It is likely that a number of PRC cargo ships carry CSS-9 missiles to act as a sea-based nuclear response/strike force."

http://www.missilethreat.com/missilesofthe...sile_detail.asp

"The CSS-9 is an effective strategic system that has significantly increased the PRC’s nuclear strike capabilities. Though the PRC’s land-based systems are unable to directly threaten much beyond the west coast of the United States, the CSS-9 is a modern ICBM system that threatens Russia and India, two major PRC rivals. However, the CSS-9 missile system can easily reach all of the US with the placement aboard cargo ships disguised as shipping containers. The self-contained launch system could easily be placed on a PRC ship and launched against targets in the US. It is likely that a number of PRC cargo ships carry CSS-9 missiles to act as a sea-based nuclear response/strike force. Similarly, these containers could be smuggled into and stored in PRC controlled warehouses throughout the Americas. The modular nature of these modern missile systems makes them extremely dangerous since they do not need to follow tradition missile tactics. Even with modern satellite systems, the combination of hidden road and cross-country mobile launchers, missile silos, and rail/ship launchers make it impossible to destroy most of these missiles prior to launch."

7) China is developing the HN-2000 stealth cruise missile with a terminal supersonic phase. Just like the DH-10 cruise missile, it is reasonable to expect that the HN-2000 will also be nuclear-capable. See http://project2049.net/documents/assassin_...ise_missile.pdf

"Global Strike and the Chinese Anti-Ship Cruise Missile: HN-2000

China is currently developing its next-generation cruise missile, the Hong Niao-2000 (HN-2000). This missile will reportedly be equipped with millimeter wave radar, infrared image mapping, laser radar, synthetic-aperture radar (SAR) and the Chinese Beidou satellite guidance system, for accuracies of 1-3 meters. This missile will also incorporate the latest stealth technologies and have a supersonic terminal flight phase, with an expected range of 4,000km."

8) Have you ever watched the movie "WarGames"? A nuclear war between Russia and the U.S. will cause both nations to launch an all-out attack on all countries of the world. Russia and the U.S. will not foolishly destroy only each other and let China become the de facto superpower.

Similarly, in a nuclear exchange between the U.S. and China, China has plenty of thermonuclear SRBMs and IRBMs (especially the ones located in Tibet). China will "wipe out" most Russian cities. In retaliation, the Russians will take everyone else with them. Just as it was depicted in WarGames, Russian nuclear missiles will radiate to every major city in the world. Everybody dies, except for the lucky few in underground military facilities built to withstand a nuclear war.

In essence, China can "borrow" the Russian nuclear arsenal in the final exchange against the U.S. The Russians are not going to let the U.S. become the de facto superpower survivor.

http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2008/05/extens...ntral-china.php

"Extensive Nuclear Missile Deployment Area Discovered in Central China

More than 50 launch pads for nuclear ballistic missiles have been identified scattered across a 2,000 square kilometer (772 square miles) area of central China, according to analysis of satellite images.

By Hans M. Kristensen

Analysis of new commercial satellite photos has identified an extensive deployment area with nearly 60 launch pads for medium-range nuclear ballistic missiles in Central China near Delingha and Da Qaidam.

The region has long been rumored to house nuclear missiles and I have previously described some of the facilities in a report and a blog. But the new analysis reveals a significantly larger deployment area than previously known, different types of launch pads, command and control facilities, and missile deployment equipment at a large facility in downtown Delingha.

The U.S. government often highlights China’s deployment of new mobile missiles as a concern but keeps the details secret, so the discovery of the deployment area provides the first opportunity for the public to better understand how China operates its mobile ballistic missiles."

http://rupeenews.com/2009/09/07/beijings-m...china-tensions/

"Beijing’s Missile in Tibet, & Hainan Naval base scare Delhi: Dramatic rise in India-China tensions

Posted on September 7, 2009 by Moin Ansari

The Chinese Red dragon’s reach has scared the pants off the Indian elephant. Many have predicted a war between India and China within the next few years. Some called that prediction alarmist. First there were repeated statements from Delhi that China was their biggest enemy and threat. Then news stories that China has built a huge infrastructure on the undefined and undemarcated Mcmohan line (the de factor border between India and China). Now the escalating tensions are sounding alarm bells around the world. The Federation of American Scientist has just published pictures of Chinese missiles which can target all of India. The incompetent intelligence agencies of India didn’t have a clue about the missiles. Any high school drop out could have paid a commercial satellite a nickel and gotten the pictures of the satellites. The fact that the FAS pictures has so unnerved Delhi that it has decided to form to new intelligence agencies is a subject of much discussion around the world..."

 

[Martian2]

I'm surprised at the persistence of ignorance among some people, such as Justice Seeker (no offense to you), about China's nuclear forces. I might as well update everyone on China's DF-41 10-MIRVed ICBM.

DF-41 ICBM: China's answer to American NMD

Aside from building more road- and rail-mobile DF-31As, what's next for China's ICBM program? The obvious answer is the DF-41 with 10 MIRVs.

China's ICBM nuclear forces were quiescent for 20 years until "President George W. Bush formally announced December 13 [2001] that the United States will unilaterally withdraw from the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty." (See Withdrawal from ABM treaty signals escalation of US militarism)

The formal withdrawal occurred six months after notification, when "the United States withdrew from the landmark 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty on June 13 [2002]." (See U.S. Withdraws From ABM Treaty; Global Response Muted | Arms Control Association)

The Chinese response was swift. China had possessed the basic technology for MIRVs in 1981, but only tested it after the United States withdrew from the ABM treaty in 2002. China's first known successful MIRV test occurred in December 2002, six months after the U.S. withdrawal from the ABM treaty.

To preserve China's security through mutually-assured-destruction, China must maintain a capability to inflict sufficient damage in a counter-strike. Towards that strategic objective, China is building the DF-41 with 10 MIRVs to overwhelm any American National Missile Defense (NMD) shield.

In a counter-strike, for every DF-41 with 10 warheads, the United States must build 10 interceptors. There is also the question of how many interceptors will succeed (e.g. the success rate). I am leaving aside the question of whether the NMD is viable at all. For example, if China attacked the sea-based X-band radar sites then the NMD will be significantly impaired.

Anyway, it will always be far cheaper for China to build DF-41 ICBMs and much more expensive to defend against them. Ten DF-41s with 10 MIRVs each will require 100 interceptors. 100 DF-41s with 10 MIRVs each will require 1,000 interceptors. It is pointless to build a NMD against a near-peer opponent. The other side can easily overwhelm a NMD system.

I will leave it to you to decide whether America was safer prior to President Bush's withdrawal from the ABM treaty. Prior to 2002, China only had 20 DF-5s capable of a counter-strike against the United States. Forced to counter President Bush's NMD initiative, China is on its way to becoming armed with an ever-increasing number of MIRVs.

China's DF-41 ICBM is capable of carrying 10 MIRVs.

Closer look at DF-41

DF-41 undergoing tests.

DF-41 spotted on public road in 2007.

DF-41 seen again on a public road.

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Jane's June 21, 2011 article on DF-41 ICBM

DF-41 (CSS-X-10) (China) - Jane's Strategic Weapon Systems

"DF-41 (CSS-X-10) (China)...

Type

Inter-continental range, road/rail mobile, solid propellant, single warhead or MIRV-capable ballistic missile.

Development

The Chinese are believed to have started the design and development of the Dong Feng-41 (DF-41) in 1986, with the operational requirement to have a solid-propellant, road mobile, ballistic missile with a range of 12,000 km to replace the CSS-4 (DF-5 and DF-5A) liquid-propellant missiles. The development for DF-41 is believed to be managed by the China Aerospace Sciences and Industry Corporation (CASIC), Beijing (it was the First Academy of the Ministry of Aerospace Industries). The flight test programme is managed by the 2nd Artillery Corps, based at the Wuzhai test centre in Shanxi province. There has been one reported ground test and a simulated cold launch in October 1999, but no test flights to date, although a test was reported to have been in preparation in September 2001. Original reports stated that DF-41 used the first two stages of the DF-31, with a lengthened third stage, but it is now believed that this description referred to the DF-31A, and that the DF-41 is a new design. It is believed that the NATO designator is CSS-X-10. Reports in 1996 suggested that DF-41 would have between two and nine Multiple Independently Targeted Re-entry Vehicle (MIRV) warheads, but it is possible that the initial build missiles will have provision for either a single warhead or up to 10 MIRV. In 2001 both rail-car and cross-country Transporter-Erector-Launcher (TEL) projects were noted for DF-31, and it is presumed that these might also be adapted later for DF-41. These launchers appeared to use a rail-car."

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

“It is also useful to continuously build confidence and cultivate trust between their respective defense ministers and ministeries and their armed forces,” Batac added.

despite of any piss contest about Spratlys issue, I'm in favor of the Batac's comment above.

 

[Justice Seeker]

@Martian2: Your nuclear stockpile is like a firecracker my son used to play with hit cat. And who could guarantee your launch vehicles are quality enough to bring those stockpile into the expected targets? Everybody know how China Made Products quality LOL

We believe in India and North Korea are more powerful than you in this WMDs manufacturing, they don't copy and paste like your shameless Chinese, they are smart with their high IQs and the support from the White men, your Chinese toys are only good-looking in the outside only. You can scare your little comrade Viet Cong but not us Filipinos and the American. Your VC don't give a damn care for what you have, they laugh at you everyday!

See your "rusty" submarine here, you have money to create such huge metal crap but don't have money for the "paint"?

 

[oct605032048]

LoL.
A filipino with an American flag whose ID photo is people waving Pakistani flag in PDF's prison.

 

[Martian2]

@Martian2: Your nuclear stockpile is like a firecracker my son used to play with hit cat. And who could guarantee your launch vehicles are quality enough to bring those stockpile into the expected targets? Everybody know how China Made Products quality LOL

Take a look at item #6 below. China's Long March rockets are the civilian analogs of the Second Artillery's DF-31A missiles. China's record during the last ten years of Long March launches is almost flawless. Those DF-31A (Dong Feng-31A) ICBMs will land on their designated targets without fail.

http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/08/ajb/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Dongfeng_missile.html

"The space-launch Long March rocket has its roots in the Dong Feng missile. Dongfeng missiles. Dongfeng 1 (SS-2). First of the Dong Feng missiles, the DF-1 ..."

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Top ten criteria for a technologically advanced nation

I have made my final selection for the tenth criterion to measure the technological capability of a nation. I believe that ASAT technology is a worthy test because it is a fusion of rocketry, advanced sensors, guidance systems, kinetic-kill warhead, and strategic utility. With ASAT, a country can deprive another of its GPS system (if it has one), spy satellites, communications satellites, etc.

If you disagree with any of the selections on this list or if you think another choice is more worthy, please explain your reasoning in detail and I will consider modifying this list. Thank you.

1. Send taikonaut into space and conduct spacewalk. (Ultimate test of aerospace technology)

2. Build indigenous Aegis-class destroyer with advanced phased array radars. (Sophisticated radar technology and integrated battlespace defense)

Type 052C Lanzhou-class destroyer can be seen at 1:16 in the video.

3. Build fifth-generation stealth fighters. (Military technology prowess for air dominance; by controlling the airspace, you control the high ground and can rain bombs down at will)

4. Build world's-fastest bullet trains that travel an average of 380 kph. (Amazing mechanical engineering)

5. Build world's-fastest supercomputer. (Unmatched computer technology)

6. Launch a record 15 rocket/satellite launches in 2010 without a single failure. (Test of rocket reliability technology)

7. Build nuclear submarines. (Complex compact nuclear reactor technology)

If you have not yet seen this video then it is a MUST-watch! It is a dazzling display of the hardware in China's PLA Air Force. A Chinese nuclear submarine can be seen at 10:39 and a Type 052C destroyer at 10:47 in the video.

8. Build a cryogenic rocket engine. (Rocket engine technology for heavy-lift rocket)

To place the development of cryogenic rocket engines in its proper historical context, I thought you might want to know that NASA developed the world's first cryo engine in 1961 and China flight-tested her first cryo engine in 1984 (i.e. 27 years ago).

Cryogenic rocket engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The first operational cryogenic rocket engine was the 1961 NASA design the RL-10 LOX LH2 rocket engine, which was used in the Saturn 1 rocket employed in the early stages of the Apollo moon landing program."

YF-73 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The YF-73 is China's first successful, cryogenic, gimballed engine, using liquid hydrogen (LH2) fuel and liquid oxygen (LOX) oxidizer. It was developed in the early 1980s and first flight was in 1984."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=836xtLHRhcs

9. Build commercial satellites that weigh over 5,000 kg or 10,000 pounds with a service lifetime of 15 years. (World-class satellite technology)

DFH-4 satellite bus (or platform) designed and built by CGWIC (i.e. China Great Wall Industrial Corporation)

10. Demonstrated ASAT (i.e. anti-satellite multistage missile) to destroy a satellite. (Critical capability to deprive another nation of its eyes and ears in the sky; also eliminates GPS guidance for opposing nation's weapons)

China's Space Weapons Test - YouTube

 

[applesauce]

save ur typing arm, the guy thinks china dont know how to paint, you cant argue against that kind of stupidity

 

[Martian2]

@Martian2: Your nuclear stockpile is like a firecracker my son used to play with hit cat. And who could guarantee your launch vehicles are quality enough to bring those stockpile into the expected targets? Everybody know how China Made Products quality LOL

We believe in India and North Korea are more powerful than you in this WMDs manufacturing, they don't copy and paste like your shameless Chinese, they are smart with their high IQs and the support from the White men, your Chinese toys are only good-looking in the outside only. You can scare your little comrade Viet Cong but not us Filipinos and the American. Your VC don't give a damn care for what you have, they laugh at you everyday!

I'm always surprised when I hear silly comments like: "[China's] nuclear stockpile is like a firecracker." This is a professional forum and you seem like a reasonably intelligent person. Yet, you make comments that are clearly "off the wall" and ridiculous.

NiceGuy does that too. He calls China's H-6K "God of War" bombers as giant mosquitoes. Why do you guys do that? It is difficult for me to understand. China's supercomputer-designed modern weapons are awesome and it should be obvious to everyone.

By the way NiceGuy, those H-6 mosquitoes are deadly. They are nuclear capable.

Since I'm discussing China's nuclear weapons, I want to point out that China's DF-5 has a 4 to 5 megaton warhead; which is larger than the 3.3-megaton explosion (e.g. 165 times more powerful than Hiroshima's 20-kiloton atomic fireball) in this video. According to American standards, a warhead yield must be at least one megaton to qualify as a "city-buster" when it detonates in an airburst.

1967: THE FIRST CHINESE HYDROGEN BOMB exploded with 3.3 megatons of destructive power

No thread on China's nuclear weapons would be complete without the history-setting first thermonuclear explosion.

"On June 17 1967, China revealed its true military power.

At 00:19, a Chinese H-6 bomber dropped the first Chinese hydrogen bomb. It exploded with a force of 3.3 megatons. It marked the date when China entered the thermonuclear era."

3.3-MEGATON HYDROGEN BOMB - YouTube

 

[Martian2]

This will be my last post on China's nuclear weaponry unless someone has a question or raises another interesting aspect of China's nuclear arsenal. It's a fun hobby for me to discuss China's military capabilities, but only if you want to learn more.

I've been a China-watcher for a very long time. I became curious about China after I rode on a bus through Shenzhen, when it was still called "the Miracle City."

China possessed proven MIRV technology by 2002

The question of whether China possesses MIRV technology is critical, because it drastically affects the number of Chinese retaliatory warheads.

In 1981, China demonstrated it possessed the basic dual-use technology for MIRVs by successfully delivering three satellites into different orbits from one rocket launch.

CNS - China's Nuclear Warhead Modernization

"In September 1981, China successfully delivered three satellites with one launch vehicle, reportedly giving it an incipient multiple-warhead capability. Since the mid-1980s, China has reportedly conducted missile flight tests involving MRVs, and in May 1995, China flight-tested the DF-31 missile equipped with MRVs."

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In 2002, there were reports of a successful Chinese MIRV test on a DF-21 ballistic missile.

China successfully tests multi-warhead missiles

"China successfully tests multi-warhead missiles
Daily Yomiuri 02/10/03
Original Link: http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20030208wo41.htm

China successfully test-launched a medium-range missile with multiple warheads in December 2002, indicating a rapid modernization of China's nuclear missile capability aimed at countering the U.S. missile defense network planned for the region, sources said Friday.

The launching of the Dong Feng-21 (DF-21), with a target range of about 1,800 kilometers, was the first successful test launch of the missile with multiple warheads for China.

According to the sources, the launch was carried out in mid-December at a Second Artillery Corp's base of the People's Liberation Army in Shanxi Province, China.

It is believed that the multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRV), which China had sought to develop quickly, was used for the missile."

Chinese MIRV Test Successful

"Chinese MIRV Test Successful
Yonhap News via JoongAng Ilbo ^ | 02/08/03 | N/A
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2003 10:14:07 PM by TigerLikesRooster

Yomiuri Shimbun of Japan reported in its Beijing dispatch on Feb. 8, 2003 that China successfully conducted the MIRV test on December, 2002, using Dong-Feng 21.

The report quoted Chinese sources as saying, "The missile launch test was conducted in mid-December last year at a PLA strategic missile base in Shaxi province, and MIRV technology was apparently employed."

This is apparently the first Chinese success of the MIRV missile test.

China is making feverish efforts to counter American Missile Defense technology and this shows that they made a meaningful progress, the paper reports."

China's Ballistic Missile Update - 2004

"China's Ballistic Missile Update - 2004
The Risk Report
Volume 11 Number 1 (November-December 2004)
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Furthermore, advances in warhead design and multiple independently-targeted reentry vehicle (MIRV) technology (including a successful test of a MIRVed DF-21) appear intended to enable China to overcome U.S. missile defenses, allowing it to maintain a credible deterrent.
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It is estimated that 48 DF-21s have been deployed. In 2002, according to a report in Japan's Daily Yomiuri newspaper, a DF-21 equipped with several MIRV-ed warheads was successfully test-launched, making it the first Chinese missile to be successfully armed with multiple warheads. The DF-21 is capable of reaching U.S. military bases in Asia, as well as targets in Russia, India, Japan, Korea, and the Philippines."

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In 2010, Richard D. Fisher, Jr. states he "has been told by Asian military sources that the DF-31A already carries three warheads and that one deployed DF-5B carries five or six warheads. These sources speculate the new 'DF-XX' may carry a similar number of warheads."

China and START. Missile buildup may surpass U.S., Russia as they denuclearize

"China and START
By Richard D. Fisher Jr.,
The Washington Times,
20 September 2010
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Since it started deploying intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) in the 1980s, China has refused to join in nuclear weapons negotiations. This did not matter as long as China deployed a small number, about 20 liquid-fueled 13,000-kilometer-range DF-5s with single warheads, until early this decade. Furthermore, China had lulled many analysts by regularly suggesting that it adheres to a doctrine of "minimum deterrence" that abjures U.S.- or Russian-level warhead numbers. But China has also rejected U.S. and Soviet levels of nuclear "transparency" as part of its deterrence calculus, with the result that nobody knows its nuclear force goals.

China began modernizing its nuclear missile forces by mid-decade, replacing early DF-5s with a similar number of improved DF-5A missiles based in stationary silos and deploying the new 7,000-to-8,000-kilometer-range, solid-fueled and mobile DF-31 and the larger 11,200-plus-kilometer-range DF-31A. In its latest report to the Congress on China`s military released on Aug. 16, the Pentagon says there are less than 10 DF-31 and "10-15" DF-31A ICBMs, up to five more than reported in the previous year`s report, covering 2008. However, in the 2010 issue of "Military Balance," Britain`s International Institute of Strategic Studies notes there is one brigade of 12 DF-31s and two brigades or 24 DF-31A ICBMs, indicating a possible increase of one new brigade from 2008 to 2009.

In addition, China may be close to fielding two more long-range nuclear missiles. First is the new 7,200-plus-kilometer-range JL-2 submarine-launched ballistic missile. Though reported to be experiencing developmental challenges, when completed, 12 each will go on the new Type 094 nuclear ballistic missile submarine, which the Pentagon estimates will number at least five, for a potential total of 60 missiles. Then there is a new yet-unidentified, larger ground-mobile ICBM which has been revealed in Chinese Internet-source images since 2007, but which the Pentagon did not publicly acknowledge until its latest China report. The distinguishing feature of the "DF-XX" is its use of a large ,16-wheel Russian-style transporter-erector-launcher (TEL), likely derived from Russian-Belarus technology imported in the late 1990s.

But here is where the real danger begins: The Pentagon also notes this new ICBM is "possibly capable of carrying multiple independently targeted re-entry vehicles (MIRV)." Starting in 2002, the Pentagon`s China report noted the People`s Liberation Army`s (PLA) interest in developing multiple warheads, with more explicit language being used in the 2009 and 2010 reports. Might some PLA ICBMs already have multiple warheads? This analyst has been told by Asian military sources that the DF-31A already carries three warheads and that one deployed DF-5B carries five or six warheads. These sources speculate the new "DF-XX" may carry a similar number of warheads.

While it is not possible to confirm these disclosures from open sources, they point to an alarming possibility: China has crossed the multiple-warhead Rubicon and, with the possibility that it can build one brigade of DF-31A and DF-XX ICBMs a year, could be capable of annual double- or triple-digit increases in its deployed nuclear warheads. Chinese sources also suggest interest in developing longer-range versions of the JL-2, which could also be MIRV-capable. While a worst-case estimate, there is good reason to consider that China`s warhead numbers could exceed 500 by 2020."

 

[Sasquatch]

How many accounts have you made Justice Seeker I mean Aquino No.1 ?

 

[Star√ation]

Be careful, unless you gonna be banned for this clone account too, Mr. Aquino No.1. I used to laugh like hell reading your post. Please do not got banned.

 

[NiceGuy]

NiceGuy does that too. He calls China's H-6K "God of War" bombers as giant mosquitoes. Why do you guys do that? It is difficult for me to understand. China's supercomputer-designed modern weapons are awesome and it should be obvious to everyone.

By the way NiceGuy, those H-6 mosquitoes are deadly. They are nuclear capable.

"God of War" or "God of wet dream" , pls show its strength in the real battle like B-52 first ,B-52 was called "God of War" too, and do you remember how many B-52 down in VN just by SA-2 only??

The backbone of the current Chinese bomber fleet consists of approximately 120 H‑6 intermediate-range bombers, supplemented by Q-5 and JH-7 fighter-bombers. The H-6, the largest of China’s bombers, has a weapons payload of 20,000 pounds compared to the American B-52’s 60,000. The operational range of the H-6 is also significantly smaller than that of the B-52, restricting the aircraft’s operations to the Pacific.

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj07/fal07/greenberg.html

 

[SinoChallenger]

"God of War" or "God of wet dream" , pls show its strength in the real battle like B-52 first ,B-52 was called "God of War" too, and do you remember how many B-52 down in VN just by SA-2 only??

Offensive Airpower with Chinese Characteristics: Development, Capabilities, and Intentions

LOL........ remember in 1979, China inflicted 100,000 civilian dead (additional military dead) on you over the course of a one month war? That's far more Vietnamese dying per month than during the 10+ year long war against USA, where they sprayed you with Agent Orange and then lit up villages with napalm. Imagine what China can do to Vietnam with a 10+ year long war? I hope you are ready for our H-6K!

 

[SinoChallenger]

Sorry my mistake, it was 100,000 civilians died. Much higher number injured, obviously.

Sino-Vietnamese War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh all people still remember Mr. Deng suddently "Bite" VN like animal instead of declaring war like Human being, and he also "bite" innocient Chinese in Tienanmen square like animal too.

That why, people call China leader is blood thirsty Evil .

That's why our lips are red, from inflicting cruelty on Vietnamese for millenia!