Philippine warship in stand-off with China vessels

[Pak_Sher]

China doesn't have MAD capability.

We would nuke China for South Korea or the Philippines should China bring us to such a point, as they are under our nuclear umbrella. You are free to believe otherwise at Shanghai and Beijing's peril, but it's not like we've made any secret of it.

It is easier said that done. Yes, the US could nuke China, but do you believe China would sit quietly after a nuke attack? Have to think through all scenarios before finalizing any game plan..

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

China doesn't have MAD capability.

We would nuke China for South Korea or the Philippines should China bring us to such a point, as they are under our nuclear umbrella. You are free to believe otherwise at Shanghai and Beijing's peril, but it's not like we've made any secret of it.

yes we do. Total US nuclear stockpile is 570 megatons, Chinese stockpile is 294 megatons.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...as-294-megatons-thermonuclear-deterrence.html

 

[anon45]

It's so funny that commentators here like to invoke other super power to backup their insecure comments...these people don't have any nation strengh to do any sh1t to China....so claim U.S will do this..U.S will do that are only their viable arguments to uses in this forum...how pity.

Is that the argument Chinese will use to console themselves when they back down from US carriers? This is reality not world's deadliest warrior, you work with what you got.

 

[sarthak]

We have deployed the nukes in Xinjiang, we don't need the ICBM to reach Moscow, but the medium range ballistic missile was enough.

This was Mao's strategy, if we can't nuke USA, then we would nuke USSR instead, when before USSR goes down, they would nuke USA to bring it down along with them.

Either you have no clue what you are talking about or your Mao was a total crackpot

 

[anon45]

yes we do. Total US nuclear stockpile is 570 megatons, Chinese stockpile is 294 megatons.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...as-294-megatons-thermonuclear-deterrence.html

That isn't MAD, at most that is heavy losses assuming these nukes can hit all parts of the country.

 

[Secur]

China doesn't have MAD capability.

We would nuke China for South Korea or the Philippines should China bring us to such a point, as they are under our nuclear umbrella. You are free to believe otherwise at Shanghai and Beijing's peril, but it's not like we've made any secret of it.

We seriously need some sort of age restriction here on this forum ... What did you say ? China doesn't have MAD capability ? ... Now , again is it some sort of exclusive Western thing ? ... Let me tell you that every single nuclear power in the world has the means to initiate MAD ... A Fox News overdose can be dangerous

You would nuke China and China would nuke you ... How about that ? ... There's no such thing as nuclear umbrella ... There are as i said delusions and false promises ... No country would risk its own existence for other ...

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

That isn't MAD, at most that is unacceptable losses

If the US can do MAD with 570 megatons, then at 294 megatons, that's a VERY unacceptable loss.

 

[Secur]

That isn't MAD, at most that is unacceptable losses

Really ? What is MAD in your alternate universe ? ... What exactly does US have that guarantees MAD ? ...

If the US can do MAD with 570 megatons, then at 294 megatons, that's a VERY unacceptable loss.

HE doesn't even know the concept of MAD ... Doesn't mean you have to kill every American or destroy part of America ... Just make sure that its existence is finished and you are done ... Unbearable loss ...

 

[Korean]

Really ? Was China a nuclear power / significant nuclear power back then ?

Going back to 1969, Nixon threatened the Soviet Union, which had a larger nuclear force than the US, of retaliatory nuclear strikes if the Soviets nuked China. China of 2012 isn't a stronger nuclear power than the Soviet Union of 1969.

And what will US get in return?

Keeping NPT intact. Because every country will seek nuclear weapons if the nuclear umbrella guarantee isn't kept.

I didn't see US nuking Russia just for Georgia ...

Russia didn't threaten to nuke Georgia.

Sure , start building your own nukes ... If only it is that easy

It's very easy for countries like Korea and Japan; less than a month max. After all, we sell world-class nuclear power plants and fusion reactors that India and Pakistan can't even dream of building; we don't even need centrifuges to enrich plutonium; we can do that with laser.

 

[anon45]

Really ? What is MAD in your alternate universe ? ... What exactly does US have that guarantees MAD ? ...

HE doesn't even know the concept of MAD ... Doesn't mean you have to kill every American or destroy part of America ... Just make sure that its existence is finished and you are done ... Unbearable loss ...

Thousands of very acurate nuclear warheads that can potentially hit all areas of China very quickly vs low hundred/s for China.

Really ? What is MAD in your alternate universe ? ... What exactly does US have that guarantees MAD ? ...

HE doesn't even know the concept of MAD ... Doesn't mean you have to kill every American or destroy part of America ... Just make sure that its existence is finished and you are done ... Unbearable loss ...

No, YOU don't understand the concept of MAD, it literally is defined as total and utter destruction of the country. a few hundred nukes doesn't do that when multiple nukes are required to assure destruction of a city, and that doesn't even include missile defense.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Thousands of very acurate nuclear warheads that can potentially hit all areas of China very quickly vs low hundred/s for China.

With 2-3 megatons per warhead, vs kilotons for the US warheads, there's still going to be very unacceptable losses.

 

[anon45]

With 2-3 megatons per warhead, vs kilotons for the US warheads, there's still going to be very unacceptable losses.

Unacceptable is a step below MAD.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Going back to 1969, Nixon threatened the Soviet Union, which had a larger nuclear force than the US, of retaliatory nuclear strikes if the Soviets nuked China. China of 2012 isn't a stronger nuclear power than the Soviet Union of 1969.


Keeping NPT intact. Because every country will seek nuclear weapons if the nuclear umbrella guarantee isn't kept.


Russia didn't threaten to nuke Georgia.


It's very easy for countries like Korea and Japan; less than a month max. After all, we sell world-class nuclear power plants and fusion reactors that India and Pakistan can't even dream of building; we don't even need centrifuges to enrich plutonium; we can do that with laser.

No, neither South Korea nor Japan can produce a nuclear weapon and the delivery device. South Korea cannot even operate a Russian rocket, which is so reliable that even NASA uses it yet it failed in the hands of Koreans. On the other hand, even Israel cannot produce a fusion weapon despite French designs and all its top scientists having American citizenship and working in US labs.

 

[SinoChallenger]

why would usa trade new york, dc and la just to avenge the nuking of a nation of mass murderers? besides, its so much easier to let north korea pump all seoul residents full of nerve gas.

 

[Secur]

Going back to 1969, Nixon threatened the Soviet Union, which had a larger nuclear force than the US, of retaliatory nuclear strikes if the Soviets nuked China. China of 2012 isn't a stronger nuclear power than the Soviet Union of 1969.

Keeping NPT intact. Because every country will seek nuclear weapons if the nuclear umbrella guarantee isn't kept.

Threatening and using nukes are two different things !

NPT is suddenly more important than the very existence of US , I am astonished