Phalcon Meets Its Nemesis

[Kompromat]

FT-2000 ARM launch --- Phalcon down , Mission Complete good work !

No need to send Pilots to shoot that stupid Awacs down-- here is the big daddy !

 

[TOPGUN]

They destroyed our Phalcon NUKE THEM

BTW I was a big fan of the stories like this in Bharat Rakshak-The possible Indian military scemario

Yes just trying nuking lol...

 

[SBD-3]

^^ It has got mid-air refuelling system.

You guys will keep waiting for it to land, and in the mean while...

i don't remember its mission endurance but it is less than 10 hours I think....so post sensibly....but of course any one can post

 

[SBD-3]

Yes then watch out for the Brahmos in HUGE NUMBERS!

As expected.....Khalajee FYI navy has already just successfully tested anti missile system capable for intercepting highspeed and supersonic missiles..(like barahmos....) so bring another argument....things I like about Indians.....they are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo optimistic........I have never seen any other poster to include "in development weapons in their current arsenal.....I love it when they speak about.....MCA....and LCA.....and ADA.....and blaw blaw blaw.....simply makes my day by giving me a reason for laugn

 

[Srinivas]

Disclaimer: Please note that this is a hypothetical scenario. The names of Minhas, Alam , Khalid and Rafiqui have been chosen for their historical relevance only. All other names and characters have been chosen randomly. Any coincidence would only be by chance.

PHALCON MEETS ITS NEMESIS

Masud: Gentlemen its urgent. We have to send a mission in an hour against IAF Phalcon in the Northern Sector. We have lost element of surprise. All sorties are monitored by Phalcon right from the take-off. During dogfights, Phalcon is acting as a virtual wingman for each Su-30 and these Flankers have enough confidence to operate alone too.

Shamim: what happened to the earlier missions sent by southern command to neutralise Phalcon that is operating over their area?

Alam : So far no success. But I think our northern command should also send some mission.

Inam : We have aleady lost 4 pilots and I dont know why we are still crazy about Phalcon.

Alam: Yes but we shot down 12 of theirs.

Inam : Its impossible. The numerical superiority of the enemy is overwhelming. Continuing to fight for this objective is useless.

Masud: Our job is to find the possibilities and do the impossible. This nation depends on us. History is looking to us. I am sending Mirages to attack Phalcon.

Shamim: Why not F-16s?

Masud: Falcons will be escorting them. Rafiqui shall attack the Phalcon from above and Sajjad shall attack from beneath. Both shall go simultaneously and fire the missiles forward. Rafiqui is to pull-up after attack in a upward loop and Sajjad is to pull a split-S in a downward loop. The pattern is to repeated, if circumstances allow, to cripple the Phalcon. Dilawar and Minhas shall be wingmen to Sajjad and Rafiqui respectively. Wingman shall take the lead if leader encounters a problem. Escort will be given to you. You shall avoid any unnecessary air combat and proceed to your objective. In case of casualties, you are free to reform pairs. Remember to disengage at Bingo. Everyone is to take one flare catridge for R73 and one blinding flare catridge for Python missiles, which use IIR. For dogfights take a mix of Magic-2s and AIM-9Ms. Your escorts will be carrying AMRAAMs.

Masud: Alam! providing air cover to Mirages is your responsibility. Take Khalid as your wingman.

Masud: Any question?? If No then its time to scramble. I shall be monitoring the mission. Phalcon of the northern sector is now over Srinagar.

AFTER 20 minutes......

Controller: Sir Mirages are crossing LoC.....8 bogeys approaching in pairs, 4 Mig-29s from behind and 4 Su-30s at 60 degree angle-off,

Masud: At which range?

Controller: Mig-29s at 30 miles and flankers at 40 miles, Sir.

Masud: where is Alam? He should be somewhere near........

Controller: Not visible on scope Sir...no radio contact....

Controller: Radar lock reported on Mirages....possibly a BVR shot......releasing chaff....

Masud: Call Alam to engage.....

Controller: No response from Alam Sir...

Shamim: Sir I told you he is a maverick, he can't be trusted with orders....

Masud: May be he is in radio silence....

Controller: 2 BVR missiles launched at leading Mirages by Flankers......

Alam: Drop tanks away, going head to head with bogeys, changing from tight to battle formation.....

Sajjad: Diving for the deck,

Controller: Sir Alam and Khalid were flying very tight abreast formation with Mirages and so were a single blip on our scope.

Masud: where did the BVRs go?

Controller: Sir Alam and Khalid pulled horizontal scissors maneuvers with missiles passing in between the two.....

Alam to Khalid :dont be exactly at my tail....while horizontal, you are to fly 1000 feet above me and 1000 feet behind...whenever a Fulcrum or Flanker pulls a Cobra, you roast him....in the verticals, you are to fly at the same altitude as me but 500 feet apart towards the inner side of the loop...In horizontal, you are to release flares downwards and I shall release flares upwards...same for the chaff...In verticals, release flares directly backwards......

Alam : Two Fulcrums locked up together.....releasing two AMRAAMs......Fox 1...
Khalid : Two Flankers locked.........unleashing AMRAAMs....

Alam: 4 bogeys down...getting close now....

Alam : Zooming up on Fulcrum....closing in....impossible to take lead... Fulcrum turning too tight......Khalid he must be in your sight....

Khalid : Yes Sir, he is....giving him a dose of bullets...Fulcrum smoking and going down....

Alam: Going after the Flanker....Flanker pulling Cobra....Khalid bite him!!!!!!
Khalid : Guns thundering....Flanker dead....They would not do Cobra again....

Alam : Look right Khalid...R-73 fired from 60 degree off-boresight.........
Khalid: Deploying proximity fuse jammer and releasing R73C flares.....

Controller: Sir Alam has become PAF's second ACE after 1965....and Khalid needs one more shot to become ACE....

Khalid: 5th bogey in sight.......going in for the kill......

Controller: Khalid! break!....break immediately...there is a bogey at your tail....

Khalid: There is nothing on my RWR but breaking left.......coming around....nothing found....

Controller: perhaps that was a mistake....

Khalid: Bogeys are out of sight now......

Minhas to Rafiqui: Missile coming from 12'o clock with the launch aircraft at 20 miles...it must be a BVR..

Rafiqui: Deploying towed radar decoy...breaking right

Rafiqui : Flare catridge empty!

Masud : Rafiqui, you should disengage now....fighting in the enemy skies without flares can be fatal.....

Rafiqui : Minhas! close in...follow me through all maneuvers......release flares when I tell you.....

Controller: Sir Sajjad and wingman are engaging the Phalcon without waiting for Rafiqui.....

Sajjad : Launching 2 Sidewinders on Phalcon.....Splash One!!! Right wing destroyed. Phalcon going down......

Dilawar : But the indian fighters are still guided by AWACS.....Sir look at three'o clock, the real Phalcon is there.....it was dummy...

Masud: Were there any intelligence reports of a dummy AWACS?
Inam : No Sir, it was a surprise.

Controller to Masud: Sir a formation is heading towards Kahuta.....You must order CAP to intercept it....

Masud : Inam, you are incharge now.....

Controller : 8 more bogeys heading towards you....
Controller : Rafiqui has gone down Sir......

Sajjad : Bingo level reached! disengaging.......

Inam: Abort! Abort! Mission Aborted......All of you are ordered to abort the mission.....

Dilawar: Target is in sight but ...ok disengaging.....

Controller:Minhas! you are ordered to disengage.....

Inam: where is he now?

Controller: Sir he is heading towards Phalcon....2 miles away....

Sajjad : Entering the safe corridor for egress......

Dilawar: Crossing LoC......

Alam: Escorting Mirages and crossing LoC......

Khalid: Crossing LoC...

Inam : what are plans of Minhas? Is he going to shoot down the big Phalcon with few rounds of his gun?

Controller : I repeat Minhas......you are ordered to disengage and proceed to safe corridor over LoC......

Minhas: I have burnt my boats, there is no retreat when target is in sight. This flying suite is my coffin. I swear to the blood of Rafiqui, this Phalcon is going down....

Masud: Whats going on here.....

Controller: Phalcon going down....Minhas out of screen Sir....Indian formatin over kahuta has lost contact with AWACS and they are bugging out.

Masud: This nation shall remember Minhas forever. I am recommending NH for him.

What a joke
You forgot to mention the SAMs we have
AWACS will be operating in the cover of SAMs too as it will be operating in friendly territory. By the way if there is a war then there will be no runways to take off forget about BRAHMOS .
Even if the falcons take off from the runways they will be monitored closely and will be intercepted with MIG's and LCA's.

 

[Mahakaya]

As expected.....Khalajee FYI navy has already just successfully tested anti missile system capable for intercepting highspeed and supersonic missiles..(like barahmos....) so bring another argument....things I like about Indians.....they are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo optimistic........I have never seen any other poster to include "in development weapons in their current arsenal.....I love it when they speak about.....MCA....and LCA.....and ADA.....and blaw blaw blaw.....simply makes my day by giving me a reason for laugn

Sir Ji - It is not "in development" - it is fully developed and now other versions are being developed.

Jab tak aap intercept karne ke liye system on kareinge tab tak Brahmos game kar jayegi! And Sir ji it is not an easy game to intercept a cruise missile and when it is the fastest in the world the job becomes even tougher.

Defeating Cruise Missiles

 

[booo]

If we switch the countries it would rather be a very simple scenario.

Ground controller will say eerieye at 12oclock 300km. and sukhoi will launch novator. game over.

 

[SBD-3]

Sir Ji - It is not "in development" - it is fully developed and now other versions are being developed.

Jab tak aap intercept karne ke liye system on kareinge tab tak Brahmos game kar jayegi! And Sir ji it is not an easy game to intercept a cruise missile and when it is the fastest in the world the job becomes even tougher.

Defeating Cruise Missiles

Please refer to my post...."has successfully tested"

 

[zavis2003]

the only one can get success who dreams

appreciable

u seems to be think tank but there should be some improvement regarding weakness and strongpoints of different jets during scenario

 

[brahmastra]

pak version of BR's possible military scenario.lol...

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4287

 

[BJlaowai]

The IAF Phalcon is not totally defenseless. It can stand its ground on it own in tha air. It has ECM suites, chaffs and flares and A2A missiles. Even if the PAF mirages came withing A2A firing range of a Phalcon, there is no guarantee that the Phalcon will be hit. On the contrary, the mirage pilots should be more worried about being hit back by the Phalcon.

 

[BJlaowai]

Still, a little far fetched approach.. Too many variables.. specially the landing point. For all you know, it may do so out side the range of babbur i.e. 700 km or so if I am not wrong.

Also while cruise missile is programmable and can fly at low levels, one of the specific abilities of modern AWACS is to detect a low flying cruise missiles.. That coupled with a good CIWS / AA system around key air fields take care of this threat..

The most difficult variable for Pakistan in this scenario will be to find the time and place of the AWACS landing..

Good point. Pakistani cruise missiles are subsonic, whereas even 2nd gen. jet fighters are capable of supersonic speeds. Once the AWACS detect the cruise missiles, can the fighters like MiG21 give chase to the cruise missile and shoot it down?
One more thing. We keep hearing about Babur crusie missile being able to fly under the detection horizon of land based RADARs. But is is really undetectable? The Indo-pak border is heavily populated region (except for few places in Rajastan and Gujarath) . Now a missile cruise missile, though flying at subsonic speeds, flying at extremely low altitude will make a lot of noise which can be heard by people on ground. If the population is educated to detected these missiles and report to the authorities in real time, is it not possible to detect the missiles flight path and vector in a interceptor and shoot down the missile? It will take babur 30-45 minutes to travel its full flight path, which is plenty of time to intercept it.

 

[Mahakaya]

Please refer to my post...."has successfully tested"

I read that - but you still missed my point - There is a probability of success? What about that?

Its the same question that is pitted against a ballistic missile interceptor. It the probability of a successful interception not just a test!

 

[Awesome]

Totally agreed but the possibility of a hit with such deception is one in hundred. The possibility of deception will dwindle down to zero if another Phalcon is air borne. India plans to have atleast 6 Phalcons and the possibility of scan overlap and deployment for mutual cover is high.

Phalcons cannot easily track the Babur, it can fly too close to the ground in terrain hugging mode.

 

[SBD-3]

btw india have eyire killer. . . novator k-100 indo-russia JV

and again............................................has it been tested?