Peshawar Massacre - TTP kills hundreds of school kids (Avoid graphic pics/vids)

[Zaalim]

British Muslims don't have great issues with poverty, unemployment or illiteracy, but they have some of the most extremist views about religion. Pakistani's were poor and illiterate in the 50s/60s too, but they weren't radicalised or being radicalised.

Let me tell say out loud what the main problem is, it is Islam.

 

[shanipisces2002]

on the side topic i am just tweeting on nawaz tweeter abusing him and hoping he makes sensible decision

 

[T-Faz]

That is the response I expect, and this is the reason why such attacks and other religion based crimes like blasphemy will continue.

Until next time then.

 

[Menace2Society]

Pakistan has become over islamized and when you indulge in anything too much there are repercussions.

Religion and superstition is like a drug just like conspiracy theories. In moderation it can enlighten you, but too much can make you into a crazy. Just like ku klux klan, Hinduvitas and Israel.

Enlightened moderation is perfect equilibrium, just a shade below full blown secularism. Keep the Islamic values but reduce it from the curriculum.

Maulvis don't help the economy. We need engineers, doctors, thinkers so education must focus on this to keep the balance.

 

[HughSlaman]

Military courts could be a solution. Hand all terrorists to the military and let them handle it. TTP has already attacked their families and is actively trying to kill them. What more could they threaten to take from the military officers?

Right. Then again, somebody has to sign an order to allow military courts to deal with those matters. Is there anyone brave enough to sign such an order?

Military families have been attacked, yet we all know that not a single military officer will be intimidated or cowed down by this. That is because they all know, when they go into the military, that they are in a dangerous profession, and they are professionally trained to keep a high resolve in tragic or dangerous circumstances.

Some jobs just are risky. Even cricket, as beloved a sport as it is, becomes risky when those extremely fast deliveries come into play. In the same way, there needs to be an understanding among judges that, since they are in a law enforcement profession, it too is a risky job. Our judges shouldn't be so easy to manipulate by the threat of force.

 

[Cheetah786]

Shireen Mazari said that out of total 146 people killed in today’s tragic incident, nearly 140 killed are children. She said 113 people including children were injured in the attack also.

Please, feel free to tell us,what these so called religious madrasah are producing. Let me answer that one,1000s upon 1000s future killers,brain washed and ready to kill. Only an religious extremist will kill a child and don't blink,only a religious extremist will blow himself up killing innocent, and thinks his actions are justified cause a homosexual, self appointed mullah told him too.

 

[T-Faz]

It shows your narrow view and incompetency.

Education is not a magic that transforms people.

I hope you never leeched on Pakistan's tax payer's money nor someone from your family of similar views!

It is one of the tools to humanize them!

We didn't leech, instead we gave all we had.

Religion touches a nerve in you that made your whole post incoherent and emotional. In the wrong environment, you go a few notches up and you will be ready to kill innocents too.

 

[HughSlaman]

What is needed is neighborhoods rooting out terrorists hiding amongst them across Pakistan.

The army is attacking TTP but the public is not doing anything to help them. You lazy idiots need to become active and start spying on suspects in the area and reporting them. Do this in groups. If everyone can start doing this then you will see mass arrests of Afghan refugees and madrassah type low level thinking simpletons.

When are you moving back to Pakistan to show these "lazy idiots" how this is done? Are you aware of the risks in spying on terrorists and reporting them? Are you personally willing to take such risks?

I think people ought to be willing to take such risks, for a good cause. Not many people are, though.

 

[Special Delivery]

I have traveled all over the world. The way Pakistanis implement and practice Islam is probably the top 3 most orthodox and narrow minded practices in the globe today. It wasn't always like that as I recall.

 

[OTTOMAN]

Several children were slaughtered by terrorists.

http://www.express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20141217/Sub_Images/1102580055-1.gif

now who says its not a hate crime... same story as parade lane mosque.
narrows down to the core haters of Pak army and Islam.

 

[TankMan]

British Muslims don't have great issues with poverty, unemployment or illiteracy, but they have some of the most extremist views about religion. Pakistani's were poor and illiterate in the 50s/60s too, but they weren't radicalised or being radicalised.

Let me tell say out loud what the main problem is, it is Islam.

Radical British Muslims are radical because they listen to radical people with radical political and religious views. I know a few such people, but mostly they are moderates.

Right- so Islam is the problem.

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you,but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"

"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)"

"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. (The Noble Quran, 5:28)"

"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8)"

"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)"

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)"

"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3)"

"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)"

"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe! (The Noble Quran, 10:99)"

"Say: 'Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (The Noble Quran, 24:54)"

"Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)"

No, Islam is not the problem. Just like Socialism wasn't a problem when the world's evil all seemed to emanate from Socialists. Just like black skin wasn't a problem when blacks used to be considered evil in many parts of the world. Just like Irish-ness wasn't a problem when all everyone talked about was how evil the IRA was. Just like Atheism wasn't a problem when an Atheists (Stalin and Mao Zedong) got a few hundred million people killed.

People, individuals and their politics, are the problems. You eradicate Islam and you'll have dozens of other groups waiting in line to wreak havoc. Such hatred achieves nothing.

 

[Cheetah786]

It shows your narrow view and incompetency.

Education is not a magic that transforms people.

I hope you never leeched on Pakistan's tax payer's money nor someone from your family of similar views!

It is one of the tools to humanize them!

The only difference between animal and human is education. please tell me that you don't send your kids to school in Canada and rather see them at a religious seminary in Pakistan. If you are going to tell me otherwise then that's called hypocrisy.

Redical are redicals, cause they are uneducated and can't think for themselfs.

 

[OTTOMAN]

What is needed is neighborhoods rooting out terrorists hiding amongst them across Pakistan.

The army is attacking TTP but the public is not doing anything to help them. You lazy idiots need to become active and start spying on suspects in the area and reporting them. Do this in groups. If everyone can start doing this then you will see mass arrests of Afghan refugees and madrassah type low level thinking simpletons.

local bodies would help in this matter but politicians are not interested in formation of local bodies.

 

[Zarvan]

Ok, fair enough.. do people get the choice to study it or it just happens regardless? Because that is what is happening with the Federal and Provincial education boards. They all have their translations and "how to read arabic" areas.. seems to have none of the effect you seem to imply it would.

Its not that I disagree with what you insist on, its the HOW of it I find no roadway to..

As for the Arab praying.. I point to the increase in the number of people who just switched their shalwar qameez for a thawb..and started clasping their hands on their chest instead of their waist.. Sure.. they are doing the whole pray to god routine and so on.. but what changed their minds about a thawb being more effective at it instead of say Levis and a T-Shirt?

Sorry the way they teach translation and the course they have is a joke serious joke we need to teach Arabic as language just like we teach Urdu a 3 to 4 year old first learn Alphabets same should be done with Arabic and when the boy reaches 10 he and she should be able to read and speak Arabic just like Urdu and English and Quran with Tafseer should be taught in 9th and 10th and from very start or early classes Islamiyat education should be increased

 

[Hashshāshīn]

What would you say are the other 2? Egypt and KSA?

I have traveled all over the world. The way Pakistanis implement and practice Islam is probably the top 3 most orthodox and narrow minded practices in the globe today. It wasn't always like that as I recall.

Sorry the way they teach translation and the course they have is a joke serious joke we need to teach Arabic as language just like we teach Urdu a 3 to 4 year old first learn Alphabets same should be done with Arabic and when the boy reaches 10 he and she should be able to read and speak Arabic just like Urdu and English and Quran with Tafseer should be taught in 9th and 10th and from very start or early classes Islamiyat education should be increased

You really hate yourself don't you?