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Pervez Hoodbhoy's Secular Delusion

But the Quran is not the book of physics. If it is then we should banned Physics books in Physics class and should try to force Quran in Physics class.

Quran presents itself as a book of evidence that proves the existence of God. It's is not a book of science (Physics), but it is a book that does not contradict science... Important distinction.

Madrassas were the breeding ground for the modern sciences of today because of this premise.
 
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Pakistans reality esp applies on diaper pakistanis
 
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There is a lot that this picture gets wrong. But I will point out one: It employs an argument known as Reductio ad absurdum. Shariah does not equal the Taliban, and the vast majority of people who leave the country, do so for economic reasons, not because they are being hypocritical.

Reductio ad absurdum
 
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There is a lot that this picture gets wrong. But I will point out one: It employs an argument known as Reductio ad absurdum. Shariah does not equal the Taliban, and the vast majority of people who leave the country, do so for economic reasons, not because they are being hypocritical.

Reductio ad absurdum

That was one how about the other versions For eg : al qaida or isis of baghdadi or Iranian clergy
 
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Afghan Taliban and TTP are totally different, furthermore how are you comparing the government of Iran to Khawarij?
They are all Propagating their version of islam be it taliban - ttp - al qaeda - jud - LJ - isis - ayotullahs and the 100
Dozen etc same thing different versions
 
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Afghan Taliban and TTP are totally different, furthermore how are you comparing the government of Iran to Khawarij?
Afghan Taliban are friendly to Pakistan but they do have shady history: https://www.undocs.org/S/2020/415

Links to Al-Qaeda Network is the greatest controversy of Afghan Taliban.

Afghan Taliban have taken action against ISIS-K elements nevertheless. Let us see what they do in the near future.
 
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But but but Islamic Pakistan is bad :(

If we go by Pakistani Libturds then secularism is the magic pill that transforms every country into a Norway :woot:
I think a more rational way forward is to take the middle ground. There is definitely a ton of positive in the western society. Take what is good. Learn to be honest like they can be. Citizens of the western countries can believe and rely on their system. Learn that from them! Don't learn things that is against the social norms of our eastern values, because that, I strongly believe is our strength.
Learn to be critical thinks and scientists like them...

So, coming back to Hoodbhoy. I believe people who try to paint things in black and white and always have negative to offer for a particular perspective and alway positive to offer for the other usually are not honest with themselves and the others. I praise Hoodbhoys scientific achievement and "sometimes critical thinking", but not all the time.
My two cents... (I know I live in the west :))
 
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The vanquished always want to imitate the victor in his distinctive characteristics, his dress, his occupations, and all his other conditions and customs................. It considers him perfect, either because it is impressed by the respect it has for him, or because it erroneously assumes that its own subservience to him is not due to the nature of defeat but to the perfection of the victor.
- Ibn Khaldun


The above applies to you.
 
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There is a difference between governance and economic opportunities. Most of the people migrates to west for economic opportunities.

Regarding taloban government. Firat there were no economic opportunities. Second the government ended in few years only.

Had it prevailed people might have actually moved there.

Who dont want to love in a society where there is equillibirum and justice. The only issue will be with the woman wearing viel. But dont we see people moving to saudia who happen to be equally tough ?
 
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They are all Propagating their version of islam be it taliban - ttp - al qaeda - jud - LJ - isis - ayotullahs and the 100
Dozen etc same thing different versions

Aren't we also propagating a state which is based on the idea of Islamic exceptionalism? Will you do away with Pakistan altogether?

Why get freedom from British for our new nation then?
 
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The vanquished always want to imitate the victor in his distinctive characteristics, his dress, his occupations, and all his other conditions and customs................. It considers him perfect, either because it is impressed by the respect it has for him, or because it erroneously assumes that its own subservience to him is not due to the nature of defeat but to the perfection of the victor.
- Ibn Khaldun


The above applies to you.

" you " "the great warriors " of xi jin and ertughul did you managed read the actual article to know what the fuss is about?
https://www.dawn.com/news/1569679/education-ptis-plan-exposed
 
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Another interesting Hadith, maybe our woke friends can also take something from it:

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https://sunnah.com/muslim/54/45

And we all know that all the Europeans and American see themselves in the tradition of Rome. As Muslims we should try to copy those good qualities the Sahabi described in the Byzantines/Romans. Alhamdulillah for the guidance of Islam, Alhamdulillah for being Muslim and havin Pakistan as strong country with even stronger Muslim identity. There are many more Ahadith regarding the end time and as I heard about them first time I thougt: "Come on that's fake" but then I checked the references myself and was just overwhelmed. Alhamdulillah!

@Sabretooth @Starlord @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Desert Fox @LeGenD @Psychic @Dr. Strangelove
 
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Another interesting Hadith, maybe our woke friends can also take something from it:

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https://sunnah.com/muslim/54/45

And we all know that all the Europeans and American see themselves in the tradition of Rome. As Muslims we should try to copy those good qualities the Sahabi described in the Byzantines/Romans. Alhamdulillah for the guidance of Islam, Alhamdulillah for being Muslim and havin Pakistan as strong country with even stronger Muslim identity. There are many more Ahadith regarding the end time and as I heard about them first time I thougt: "Come on that's fake" but then I checked the references myself and was just overwhelmed. Alhamdulillah!

@Sabretooth @Starlord @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Desert Fox @LeGenD @Psychic @Dr. Strangelove

Thanks for sharing. Indeed, this is truth.
 
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