People in Pakistan Losing Trust in Army

[Jf Thunder]

That’s the thing, this doesn’t affect army which is stepping inside more ventures like Agri etc.

Army is not affected since it’s not a political party which has become the current perception. It may hold the strings, but it doesn’t need support in ways through which a political party stays afloat.

The recruiting process could hurt it but the inflation situation means that public will still join army. And if that dwindles somehow, army is thinking towards automation of many systems to reduce man power. The examples from past show that army increases firepower and mobility to compensate for manpower.


You can just burn your blood over it, nothing else you can do.

Ulta Bhi latak jayo - Army will do what it thinks is necessary.

I wonder though, why do they need so many Taranas, PR stunts, the Chief literally asking everyone to "please love us".

Army doesn't give an F about anyone? Thats the same thing they were thinking when they were given their pants in their hands by the Indians in 1971.

 

[Signalian]

Army has become a party in corruption. I have only this issue with army. Not more.
But the way other corrupt people will be treated, so will the army. No hard feelings, neither soft.

If the charges are correct and proved, then only punishment can occur for the corrupt, be it army or civilians.

 

[fitpOsitive]

If the charges are correct and proved, then only punishment can occur for the corrupt, be it army or civilians.

I agree. No hard feelings as I mentioned.

 

[Olympus81]

The top tier has lost trust but it doesn’t mean the trust can be reclaimed.

Withdraw from political activities, stop political engineering and allow free and fair elections.

And honestly, this can be done. But the top tier for their interests will not let it happen.

There is a real danger that if they do not course correct, the country will continue to suffer and they’ll have no one but themselves to blame.

In the end the common denominator in this circus is the military establishment. Not PDM, not PTI.

 

[fatman17]

Why the lower ranks than generals are not raising their voices, where are the medium to medium upper Colonel's, brigadiers, majors, captains whose numbers are bigger, they are not conveying the message, the pulse of the nation to the seniors like liet. Generals, major generals, and top ranks.

Yes it rots from the top, and others are part to it. The sepoy and soldiers are not in the decision making, they can be given the benefit of doubt.

Not the medium to upper ranks.

Army is a Top to Down institute. Orders come from the Top and you have to Obey whether you like it or not. If you don't obey you can be court- martialed or you are Khuda lined. One has only one option if you strongly disagree with the order is to resign your commission. In 1977 when Gen Z took over many middle ranked officers resigned.

 

[Signalian]

I agree. No hard feelings as I mentioned.

It was lawyers who weakened musharraf.

Same can be done against Bajwa for now but lawyers don’t unite, they don’t come on roads, they don’t form a plethora of cases which will never end.

now tell more ideas

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Army is a Top to Down institute. Orders come from the Top and you have to Obey whether you like it or not. If you don't obey you can be court- martialed or you are Khuda lined. One has only one option if you strongly disagree with the order is to resign your commission. In 1977 when Gen Z took over many middle ranked officers resigned.

Orders doesn't come in thin air and with one man whims and fancy.

The medium level meetings and deliberations and headed by corps cmdrs. and consultations and further meetings.

Think these 12-15 corps. cmdrs after meeting and deliberations with their team then discuss the overall situation in the corps. commanders meeting with COAS heading it.

And all the feedback is taken from the corps. cmdrs, what they got from their team, so it's a team work.

And the reason it's not just the rot at the top, it's been trickled down to the whole institute, as said rot runs in the family. The whole institute is corrupted...

 

[fatman17]

Orders doesn't come in thin air and with one man whims and fancy.

The medium level meetings and deliberations and headed by corps cmdrs. and consultations and further meetings.

Think these 12-15 corps. cmdrs after meeting and deliberations with their team then discuss the overall situation in the corps. commanders meeting with COAS heading it.

And all the feedback is taken from the corps. cmdrs, what they got from their team, so it's a team work.

And the reason it's not just the rot at the top, it's been trickled down to the whole institute, as said rot runs in the family. The whole institute is corrupted...

Let's agree to disagree. Army is not run like a multinational organisation. Believe me I've experienced it.

 

[fitpOsitive]

It was lawyers who weakened musharraf.

It was time that weakend Musharraf.
I will say, just don't support a corruption culture.

 

[Conqueror]

If the charges are correct and proved, then only punishment can occur for the corrupt, be it army or civilians.

Gen Bajwa has 600 Corror Rupees worth of declared assets as per leaked FBR files. Do you still doubt if Bajwa was earning Halal income?

There is evidence that ex military Chief General Kyani is living in an Island in Australia. Does Army pay their top chair this much that they'd buy islands in one of the most expensive countries after they retire?

What else proof do we need to prove military top chairs ARE corrupt?

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Gen Bajwa has 600 Corror Rupees worth of declared assets as per leaked FBR files. Do you still doubt if Bajwa was earning Halal income?

There is evidence that ex military Chief General Kyani is living in an Island in Australia. Does Army pay their top chair this much that they'd buy islands in one of the most expensive countries after they retire?

What else proof do we need to prove military top chairs ARE corrupt?

More than 600 crore, it's like Rs.13 billion or 1300 crore Rs.

Army Chief Qamar Bajwa’s Family Became Billionaire within The Last Six Years

Members of Bajwa’s immediate and extended family started a new international business, shifted capital abroad, and bought foreign properties.

factfocus.com

 

[airhead]

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who knew this bc was going to be the one that brings the country to its knees.

What’s going on with his front teeth?

 

[Signalian]

It was time that weakend Musharraf.
I will say, just don't support a corruption culture.

No no.

Taking off uniform.

Gen Bajwa has 600 Corror Rupees worth of declared assets as per leaked FBR files. Do you still doubt if Bajwa was earning Halal income?

There is evidence that ex military Chief General Kyani is living in an Island in Australia. Does Army pay their top chair this much that they'd buy islands in one of the most expensive countries after they retire?

What else proof do we need to prove military top chairs ARE corrupt?

Who is lodging these ? No one.

If you have proofs as you say then lawyers can get more but they are not bothered.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Taking off uniform.

Exactly.

 

[Signalian]

It was time that weakend Musharraf.
I will say, just don't support a corruption culture.

IK is in jail. His panel of lawyers is so weak and probably just a handful.

Now when it’s mentioned that the public is with IK and he sits over a Vote bank of all Pakistanis, where are the lawyers who can stand up from all around the country and rally behind him ?

If they can’t go on the offensive against Bajwa, they can at least go on defensive first for IK.

Exactly.

The point being, it’s next to impossible to go against a serving COAS but if the public and the lawyers go after a retired COAS, the current COAS will know what’s will come for him when he retires.

The journos went on the wrong route, they became bashful and landed behind bars and safe houses. The lawyers should have backed them from all over Pakistan infact joined hands with them but they didn’t become one entity.

Now if lawyers lodge a case against Bajwa in every court in every city of the country, it’s a never ending charade. No retired COAS, no retired general can live in Pakistan after retirement, what to talk of assets like plots or land in Pakistan which will be meaning less.

Anyways, there is no unity in this country. I don’t even want to get started on this.