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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Defense Secretary Robert Gates says the Pentagon will end the F-22 fighter jet and presidential helicopter programs run by Lockheed Martin Corp.

Military analysts widely expected the radar-evading supersonic jet -- considered an outdated weapon system designed for the Cold War -- would not go beyond the 187 already planned. The planes cost $140 million each.

But Bethesda, Md.-based Lockheed, the nation's largest defense contractor, has said almost 95,000 jobs could be at stake if the Pentagon didn't buy more of the planes.

The new fleet of presidential helicopters -- with a price tag of $11.2 billion that was nearly double the original budget-- also were considered at risk to be cut in the 2010 budget.

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I guess they're going to focus more on UAVs...
 
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Well Even 187 planes are more then enough currently until China and Russia develops 5th Generation Fighter.USAF is wayy too strong right now.Anyway I am sure they will at some point build more F22.Bad luck for Lockheed :p
 
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its may freeze the program of f-22 until economy become in good situation.
 
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its may freeze the program of f-22 until economy become in good situation.

Freezing is expensive. You can't let the labour go. This is the end of F-22 production. A shame, being the revolutionary fighter that it is. The USAF would really be better off scrapping the JSF program a few years ago and buying F-22s with the savings. They could keep the F-teen series of fighters in low-rate production to replacing aging air frames and be significantly more flexible and lethal than they would now.

Instead what is going to happen is the USAF is going to use the F-22s for everything except the 10% mission requirement for air superiority (against low-medium tech opponents) which will shorten their service life. Then the USAF will eventually have to conserve them in case of any real war scenario (Taiwan Straits) using JSFs to carry the burden... and JSFs will still have to mass for strike missions which makes its limited stealth largely a waste of money.

My heart aches when I look at how poorly the USAF managed untold billions of dollars on the F-22/JSF.
 
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us never sale f-22 until 2020 even UK ISRAIL OR JAPAN.
 
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The F-22 has never been considered for export. I know both Japan and Israel want it but no way! They will get some flavor of JSF...
 
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Well..It seems that its not only the raptors but TSAT, CSAR-X, NGB, C-17s amongst others which is affected...

A much detailed report below

Raptors, TSAT, CSAR-X, NGB, C-17s Fall

Apr 6, 2009
By All Defense Staff

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates this afternoon unveiled a dramatic restructuring of the Pentagon’s acquisition portfolio, essentially killing or significantly delaying F-22 Raptors, the Transformational Satellite, the combat search and rescue replacement helicopter (CSAR-X), the Next-Generation Bomber and even more C-17 airlifters.

At the same time, the secretary proposed to boost military personnel spending, as well as bolster the government’s acquisition work force, while investing more in some aspects of warfighting more closely tied with ongoing counterinsurgencies in Asia like intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance and unmanned aircraft. The moves – which Gates telegraphed since last year – come as he and his boss, President Barack Obama, look to fundamentally reshape the U.S. military in their post-9/11 vision.

Raptors will be stopped at 187, as currently programmed, and Gates suggested the USAF officially was okay with that force size. Globemaster IIIs will be ended at 205. the TSAT, CSAR-X and VH-71 programs – the latter being the high-profile presidential helicopter replacement – are being scrapped although defense officials will continue to assess their needs. Gates said the same about the NGB, until officials can get a better handle on the requirements.

The Missile Defense Agency program will be reduced by $1.4 billion, less than some proponents had feared, although its mission would shift from long-range threats to theater-wide defense. To that end, Gates said he was adding $700 million for the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system and the shipborne SM-3 missile. Another $200 million was going to the Aegis anti-ballistic missile system.

The second Airborne Laser aircraft will be cancelled, as will the Multiple Kill Vehicle program. No more Ground-based Midcourse Defense interceptors will be bought for Alaskan basing.

In the Navy, all three DDG-1000 ships will be built at General Dynamics Bath Iron Works in Maine, while the Pentagon will try to “smoothly” restart the DDG-51 Aegis destroyer program at Northrop Grumman’s Ingalls shipyard in Mississippi. Even if these arrangements work out, the DDG-1000 program would end with the third ship and the DDG-51 would continue to be built in both yards, Gates said.

Gates said he planned to go forward with the replacement for the Air Force air refueling tanker fleet, taking bids this summer.

Asked about the idea being floated by several key lawmakers, including Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) the top House defense appropriator, Gates said he believed a split buy – probably between the aircraft offered by Boeing and an Airbus-Northrop Grumman team – is “still not the best deal for the taxpayer.”

Gates said “the only reason people are pursuing it is that they think it’s the only way we can move forward and get any kind of a tanker.” But he said he believed that “if we do this right and we structure this carefully and carry out the process by our own rules … there’s no reason a protest would be upheld.”

The Army’s $160 billion Future Combat System (FCS) will see its entire ground vehicle program killed and sent back to the drawing board and the competitive bidding process.

Overall, Gates said he was “troubled by the terms of the contract,” and said the program failed to take into account the counter insurgency lessons learned in Iraq and Afghanistan about improvised explosive devices and the mine-resistant, ambush-protected (MRAP) vehicles.

Gates said he favored maintaining air superiority through fifth generation tactical fighters and planned to increase the buy of F-35 Joint Strike Fighters from 14 in 2009 to 30, but the overall effort was being trimmed so as to reinforce its viability. He also called for adding 31 F/A-18 Hornets and retiring 250 of the oldest USAF fighters.

House Armed Services Chairman Ike Skelton (D-Mo.) called Gates’ work “a good faith effort,” adding: “I appreciate the hard work and thoughtful consideration Secretary Gates and his staff put into these proposals.”

However, signaling the Pentagon’s revised spending request will come under sharp scrutiny, Skelton said: “the buck stops with Congress, which has the critical Constitutional responsibility to decide whether to support these proposals. In the weeks ahead, my colleagues and I will carefully consider these proposals and look forward to working with Secretary Gates and Adm. [Michael] Mullen as we prepare the Fiscal Year 2010 defense authorization act.”

But Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) appeared to praise Gates’ efforts without reservations, saying he “strongly” supported Gates’ restructuring plans, McCain added: “It has long been necessary to shift spending away from weapon systems plagued by scheduling and cost overruns to ones that strike the correct balance between the needs of our deployed forces and the requirements for meeting the emerging threats of tomorrow.” McCain called the announcement “a major step in the right direction.

“I believe Secretary Gates’ decision is key to ensuring that the defense establishment closes the gap between the way it supports current operations and the way it prepares for future conventional threats,” McCain said.

In responding to Pentagon reporters’ questions, Gates tried to make peace between those who favor more budgetary emphasis on irregular capabilities, and those who are afraid that the United States is not putting enough money behind keeping its conventional capabilities up to date.

Gates said that if you did a “crude” breakdown of the budget he is proposing, 10 percent of it will go for irregular capabilities, 50 percent is aimed toward traditional capabilities, and 40 percent can be described as “dual-purpose” capabilities. He further said the distinctions between conventional and irregular warfare were falling away – warfare simply was changing and the United States must be better prepared for a “spectrum” of capabilities.
 
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Freezing is expensive. You can't let the labour go. This is the end of F-22 production.

Even if you keep the employees working at other jobs the US is losing unrecoverable technical expertise. High end manufacturing needs to be kept going or you lose the skill sets. The Air Force needs 300+ of these and now the only way to keep the program alive is to sell it to allies.
 
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US armed forces has more emphasis on intelligence gathering and precision strike weapons. Thats why Gates going to order 50 predators.
Conventional war concept is over for now.
 
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U.S. Navy to keep carrier fleet, other programs
UNITED STATES - 6 April 2009

The U.S. Navy will maintain its current fleet of 11 aircraft carriers until 2040, when it will drop to a fleet of 10, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Monday.

Despite apprehension from some defense analysts that the Navy could lose at least one carrier, the Zumwalt-class destroyer program or other major weapons in Gates’ budget this year, the service’s plans escaped relatively unscathed. Although it will begin building carriers every five years, instead of four, and drop down to a permanent force of 10 flattops in 31 years, the Navy’s major programs are essentially unchanged.

It’s possible, however, that technical problems with the aircraft-launching system aboard the Navy’s next carrier, the Gerald R. Ford, could delay its entering service as scheduled in 2015, denying that ship to the fleet as planned. Service officials said last week they think they can get the new equipment to work, but they’re also investigating the possibility of retrofitting the Ford with the steam catapults carried on the current fleet of Nimitz-class ships.

The Navy has asked, and plans to ask again, for permission from Congress to drop below the legally mandated force of 11 carriers from 2012, when the Enterprise will be decommissioned, until 2015, when the Ford is scheduled to join the fleet.

Gates unveiled changes and cuts in this year’s defense budget Monday in an unusual appearance at the Pentagon, to preview the overall spending plan before the details are sent to Congress. The appearance was billed as a fundamental change to the way the Pentagon does business, and included deep cuts to Army and Air Force programs, plus the addition of thousands of full-time DoD acquisitions professionals, to take the place of contractors.

Gates did not have an overall number for the amount of money the Pentagon would save as part of the changes he was making

He said the Navy would re-negotiate its deal for its advanced Zumwalt-class ships, with the idea that it could save money by building all three at General Dynamics’ Bath Iron Works shipyard in Bath, Maine. That’s if the first ship is built on cost and schedule, Gates said; if not, the second and third ships would be cancelled. The other yard that was to build a Zumwalt, Northrop Grumman’s shipyard in Pascagoula, Miss., would get first dibs on the Navy’s new series of Arleigh Burke-class destroyers. Then, after the first few copies, further DDG 51s would be built at both Northrop and Bath.

Gates conceded he was not intimately familiar with the details of the Zumwalt program, also known as DDG 1000; that he has not been involved with the details or talked with the contractors. But “people here in the building” — meaning Navy officials in the Pentagon — believe the Navy can save money by having Bath build all three ships, Gates said. That would save the Navy from building two simultaneous first-of-class ships, one by Bath and one by Northrop, and create efficiencies for all three by having them come from the same yard.

Maine Sen. Susan Collins, a Republican for whom Bath Iron Works is the largest private employer in her state, issued a statement praising Gates’ proposal to build all three DDG 1000s at Bath.

“My goal has always been to help ensure a steady work flow at BIW and a strong industrial base for shipbuilding,” Collins said. “That is why I worked hard to convince the president and the Navy to include full funding for a third DDG-1000 in the budget, and I am delighted that they have agreed. The Pentagon’s preference to have BIW build all three of the DDG-1000s demonstrates confidence in BIW and should also stabilize production costs for the Navy.”

Gates’ budget proposals could be radically different by the time Congress gets through with them. He acknowledged his ideas would be controversial, especially where they would cut back on jobs in lawmakers’ districts, but he said he hoped members of Congress would “rise above parochial interests and best serve the United States.”

Before he had even finished his remarks Monday, Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, released a statement saying that Congress would have its own take on the changes Gates wanted to make.

“The buck stops with Congress, which has the critical constitutional responsibility to decide whether to support these proposals,” Skelton wrote. “In the weeks ahead, my colleagues and I will carefully consider these proposals and look forward to working with Secretary Gates and [Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Michael] Mullen as we prepare the fiscal year 2010 defense authorization act.”

In addition to the shipbuilding changes, Gates’ proposal calls for the Navy to get money to add ballistic missile defense capability to six Aegis ships next year, and the Defense Department will spend an additional $700 million on the SM-3 missiles they fire at incoming ballistic missiles, as well as other missile defense systems.

On the aviation side, Gates said the Navy would buy 31 F/A-18 Super Hornets in fiscal 2010. Previous planning called for the Navy to purchase 18 Super Hornets. The additional aircraft will help reduce the so-called “fighter gap” — the shortage of aircraft the Navy faces as the older Hornets retire faster than the new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter arrives to replace them.

The Navy will also lease four joint high speed vessels next year, instead of two, until DoD takes delivery of its own ships in 2011, Gates said. The Navy leases high-speed catamarans, such as the Swift, now on a humanitarian deployment in the Caribbean, but has ordered its own purpose-built JHSVs from the Austal shipyard in Mobile, Ala.

That yard also builds General Dynamics’ version of the ships competing in the Navy’s Littoral Combat Ship program, along with a Lockheed Martin design built in Marinette, Wis. LCS came in for no changes in Gates’ presentation; the U.S. Navy will still built a fleet of 55 ships and award contracts for three in fiscal ‘10.

The biggest cut to a Navy program was the VH-71 presidential helicopter, which has become a lighting rod for critics of bungled Pentagon acquisitions. The program is to be eliminated altogether and then restarted next year, Gates said, reaffirming the need for a new presidential helicopter.

Gates also said the Navy would again delay work on the CG(X) cruiser, a large, next-generation surface warship that was to take many of its design and technological cues from the Zumwalts.

Also delayed will be amphibious ships, including an 11th San Antonio-class amphibious transport dock; the Mobile Landing Platform ship; and other “sea-basing programs,” Gates said.


2009, Army Times Publishing Company
 
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Such a shame. I saw two of them up in Cobb north of Atlanta and they were gorgeous. Strangely they had about 3 other fighters(f-15's?) tailing them. Dobbins is right off the highway so you get see them lot up there. The economy is so bad there especially construction that the Mexicans are actually going back home.
 
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well good for PAF....ironically we could have never afforded the F22 so i guess now if no one can we r better off!!
 
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Reality is F22 is so effective not many are needed. Globemaster is more of a factor when it comes to power-projection, and Europe and its new militarized Airbus may take up the slack.
 
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i think americans have manufactured some thing more better than F 22 but it is kept top secret as they kept F 117 in era of 80s thats why they want to cut of f22 and consentrate on better fighter jet than F 22
 
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