PAT to participate in PTI’s “lockdown”

[Finer]

This form of democracy is a failure. Martial laws have been failures too.

We need a new system. Blaming army for failures of politicians is a torn drum now.

We need to look at either the Iranian or Chinese systems or both.

Absolute power should not be in the hands of one person, be it the PM or the dictator. And we can't afford snakes in our system either. Major surgery required.

Unlike Chinese, Iranian, Marshal Law, democracy does take inputs from the civilians. That's why democracy has strong history in many nations, played vital roles in many nations. USA didn't built in a day. Similarity, it will take time for Pakistan to get there, but Pakistan will get there.

In the past, politics was considered as taboo, but today, people thinking are changing gradually and the newer generation are getting involved in the politics. In the future, it will be their calls that with the inputs of civilians march the progress ahead. Today is small price to pay for the foreseeable future. Democracy has to survive. It is only platform where civilians can voice their inputs.

 

[Mansoon]

Unlike Chinese, Iranian, Marshal Law, democracy does take inputs from the civilians. That's why democracy has strong history in many nations, played vital roles in many nations. USA didn't built in a day. Similarity, it will take time for Pakistan to get there, but Pakistan will get there.

In the past, politics was considered as taboo, but today, people thinking are changing gradually and the newer generation are getting involved in the politics. In the future, it will be their calls that with the inputs of civilians march the progress ahead. Today is small price to pay for the foreseeable future. Democracy has to survive. It is only platform where civilians can voice their inputs.

Define democracy. Elections are not democracy

 

[tarrar]

I pray for a miracle that this corrupt, treacherous & terrorist govt. is thrown out of power & all including bastards of gadari league, anp, mqm, jui-f, b!tches like Achakzai are all brought to justice & punished for their crimes against Pakistan.

 

[Jzaib]

Unlike Chinese, Iranian, Marshal Law, democracy does take inputs from the civilians. That's why democracy has strong history in many nations, played vital roles in many nations. USA didn't built in a day. Similarity, it will take time for Pakistan to get there, but Pakistan will get there.

In the past, politics was considered as taboo, but today, people thinking are changing gradually and the newer generation are getting involved in the politics. In the future, it will be their calls that with the inputs of civilians march the progress ahead. Today is small price to pay for the foreseeable future. Democracy has to survive. It is only platform where civilians can voice their inputs.

Haye oyeee

So If some leader was brought by A dictator and installed upon us on his government. Who has said he my rooni baap . In asghar khan case who got money to topple elected government of PPP.

Someone who supports them advocating democracy to @Mansoon . That is so cute

I am fan of greater goods meaning stability. I am not fan of anyone and any political party. When i defend PMLN, i am defending the stability of politically and economically. If it was PTI in power, i would have equally defended them for stability of politically and economically, but maybe not if he lets TTP goes on rampage killing like General Musharraf allowed MQM in Karachi.

But Imran Khan will become fan of Pervez Rashid if he defects from PMLN since he seems to be fan of discarded politicians from PMLN.

Actually stability for u is nawaz Sharif . only a shameless nation would allow a corrupt leader to lead and make exsues to save them .

Tomorrow if someone rapes or murder your family bcoz standing up for it could create coas and trouble for u when who raped is powerful .

People should have protested against musharraf coz it brought instability . even quiad a azam shouldn't have done any jalsa OE protest coz under British rule we were stable

How low one can go to defend Sharif family . shameless

 

[Mansoon]

How low one can go to defend Sharif family . shameless

PMLN media cell

 

[A.M.]

All losers coming together again to cause instability in Pakistan.

 

[Finer]

Define democracy. Elections are not democracy

Democracy should be defined by anarchism?

Actually stability for u is nawaz Sharif . only a shameless nation would allow a corrupt leader to lead and make exsues to save them .

If the corruption is mainly issue, then that makes you shameless too considering you are supporting Imran Khan who fired his own accountability for exposing corruption [including himself who knows] from within the party.

Tomorrow if someone rapes or murder your family bcoz standing up for it could create coas and trouble for u when who raped is powerful .

Now you know how people felt when they lost 50,000 innocent people to Imran Khan through TTP while Imran Khan was advocating legal offices for TTP.

People should have protested against musharraf coz it brought instability . even quiad a azam shouldn't have done any jalsa OE protest coz under British rule we were stable

How low one can go to defend Sharif family . shameless

Musharraf was dictatorship. Protests would have meant nothing considering the whole point of Marshall Law is that it takes no input from civilians.

With the great difficulty people got Marshall law rid of, now Imran Khan is trying to bring Marshall Law back again through Islamabad lockdown bringing every anti-Pakistani elements joining together to challenge the democracy as whole, and tried the same in the last dharna where military takeover almost became reality, but didn't become one thanks to the understanding between both Sharifs.

 

[ADIL SHERDIL]

@Fallen King Sir if i am not wrong MQM and taliban were ZIa brain child so was NS. and secondly Sir with due respect PML-N has been in power for too long especially in Punjab.Please stop blaming everything on dharna as it was done first time in the world. Do you remember how was Cheif justice reinstated it was dharna and have you forgotten the words Shehbaz sharif used to say about AAZ.
Democracy only matters to those who can have their interest if the needs of ordinary man is met he would choose communism if he have to just to have a happy life.There development project just show their concern about ordinary person and according to them Orange train and metro buses are people utmost need this shows how much they know about people. You can blame dictators as much as you can but at the end of the day they both lies in the same category. Self centered business minded bunch of industrialists who have the army of slaves(poor illiterate Pakistani)

 

[haris.ahmed]

@tarrar Sir, if you want to begin accountability and 'bring people to justice' it is only fair you also include those who caused Pakistan's split, who sold their souls for defence grants in the war on terror, who patronise and nurture the butchers of APS, Mardan, Quetta and those who have stamped their footprints on Balochistan and are separating sons from their mothers just because they dare to speak out. Only then is it fair.

It is easy to be disillusioned by democratic governments when they are of the type that we have but remember, only ONCE before in 70 odd years has a democratically elected government been allowed to complete its term. I do not have great things to say about them either, but it was a hell of a sight better than the khakis.

So in this so called 'lockdown', I for one will stand by the democratically elected govt, even though I disagree the way they go about their business on most days. It is clear to most people to see what IK and his cronies want and whom it is they are trying to goad into the picture. It is the same institution they tried to involve the last time. I'd think with their involvement in the western and eastern borders as well as in-house, they'd have their work cut out for them at the moment, but given the kind of job they've been doing, I wouldn't put it past them to make time for their favourite pastime i.e: toppling govts.

 

[Mansoon]

It is easy to be disillusioned by democratic governments when they are of the type that we have but remember, only ONCE before in 70 odd years has a democratically elected government been allowed to complete its term

So what? India has had almost all the governments completing their terms and yet its the cesspool of corruption on this planet.

 

[haris.ahmed]

So what? India has had almost all the governments completing their terms and yet its the cesspool of corruption on this planet.

Name one country that is free of corruption. One. India is indeed a hotbed of corruption and nepotism; I don't really follow Indian politics but I'm sure our Indian fellows will agree with this sentiment. BUT despite all their problems, they have been on the right path since day one, and whether us Pakistanis like it or not, they are a regional superpower, and I believe that has been brought about by stable democratic governments.

 

[Mansoon]

they are a regional superpower, and I believe that has been brought about by stable democratic governments.

Its hardly a regional superpower, yet alone stable. There are more separatist movements in India than any other country in the region.

 

[haris.ahmed]

Its hardly a regional superpower, yet alone stable. There are more separatist movements in India than any other country in the region.

Like I said, problems aplenty, but they still seem to be maintaining an upward trajectory in terms of growth. I can't elaborate further because like I said, I do not have a broader insight into India.

 

[Jzaib]

1) Democracy should be defined by anarchism?



2)If the corruption is mainly issue, then that makes you shameless too considering you are supporting Imran Khan who fired his own accountability for exposing corruption [including himself who knows] from within the party.




3)Now you know how people felt when they lost 50,000 innocent people to Imran Khan through TTP while Imran Khan was advocating legal offices for TTP.




4)Musharraf was dictatorship. Protests would have meant nothing considering the whole point of Marshall Law is that it takes no input from civilians.

With the great difficulty people got Marshall law rid of, now Imran Khan is trying to bring Marshall Law back again through Islamabad lockdown bringing every anti-Pakistani elements joining together to challenge the democracy as whole, and tried the same in the last dharna where military takeover almost became reality, but didn't become one thanks to the understanding between both Sharifs.

With the great difficulty people got Marshall law rid of, now Imran Khan is trying to bring Marshall Law back again through Islamabad lockdown bringing every anti-Pakistani elements joining together to challenge the democracy as whole, and tried the same in the last dharna where military takeover almost became reality, but didn't become one thanks to the understanding between both Sharifs.[/QUOTE]
1)Democracy doesnt meet that the leader who has looted us deny accountability.

2) Asked Imran khan regarding this issue. There was no mandate for Justice wajhi to pass orders, leaks were made against opponents . when ask for the proofs on which bases decisions are made no proof was given. BTW was there any accountability on any issue by PMLN? so why r u complaining against PTI

3) Mujahideen is made under zia with support of Nawaz Sharif. Then later taliban rose with support of PMLN government in power. Most of the 50000 people who died in war was in time of coalition between PMLN and PPP. And then two party resolution was passed in favour of talks and PTI wasnt even part of that. SHahbaz sharif decleared them brothers which was sitting CM and imran didnt had one MNA that time . THEN ITS IMRAN FAULT.

4) FIrst of all Musharraf was validated by SC and elected by Q league. Secondly, Nawaz Sharif came out of dictator ship . he was brought in by army in the politics. Then as asghar khan case explains he took money from army to dislodge elected government of PPP. And all of the sudden PMLN supporters start talking about democracy

@Mansoon i love this justifications and how much time he had spend to defend sharif family corruption

 

[Mansoon]

Like I said, problems aplenty, but they still seem to be maintaining an upward trajectory in terms of growth. I can't elaborate further because like I said, I do not have a broader insight into India.

Indian economic growth has nothing to do with democracy. Pakistan had much better economic growth during Ayub and Musharaf era.