PAT to participate in PTI’s “lockdown”

[haris.ahmed]

With the great difficulty people got Marshall law rid of, now Imran Khan is trying to bring Marshall Law back again through Islamabad lockdown bringing every anti-Pakistani elements joining together to challenge the democracy as whole, and tried the same in the last dharna where military takeover almost became reality, but didn't become one thanks to the understanding between both Sharifs.

1)Democracy doesnt meet that the leader who has looted us deny accountability.

2) Asked Imran khan regarding this issue. There was no mandate for Justice wajhi to pass orders, leaks were made against opponents . when ask for the proofs on which bases decisions are made no proof was given. BTW was there any accountability on any issue by PMLN? so why r u complaining against PTI

3) Mujahideen is made under zia with support of Nawaz Sharif. Then later taliban rose with support of PMLN government in power. Most of the 50000 people who died in war was in time of coalition between PMLN and PPP. And then two party resolution was passed in favour of talks and PTI wasnt even part of that. SHahbaz sharif decleared them brothers which was sitting CM and imran didnt had one MNA that time . THEN ITS IMRAN FAULT.

4) FIrst of all Musharraf was validated by SC and elected by Q league. Secondly, Nawaz Sharif came out of dictator ship . he was brought in by army in the politics. Then as asghar khan case explains he took money from army to dislodge elected government of PPP. And all of the sudden PMLN supporters start talking about democracy

@Mansoon i love this justifications and how much time he had spend to defend sharif family corruption[/QUOTE]

Agree with (1).

For (2), isn't the PTI supposed to be the anti status quo party? It fulfills what the PML N cant. That is why people raise questions over the policies of PTI which completely belie its claims of being anti status quo. PTI is just as corrupt and autocratic as PML N and the like. That is what irks so many people of Imran Khan. Charity begins at home, as they say, and if he wants others to follow, he should set an example first, which he continuously fails to do.

(3) The so-called mujahideen were Zia, ISI and the USA's brainchild. Where was Nawaz Sharif in 1979? I doubt he had a major say in matters of such import at the time. But by not opposing this dangerous game and using Zia's trust in him to consolidate his power in Punjab later, yes, you can suit your narrative too.

(4) Do you think Musharraff being validated by SC and then elected by Q league is of any import? If anything, it goes to say a lot about our courts and puppet political parties. You can even justify the murder of this country's constitution by paying off the courts and parties. Mind you, in a more just world, Musharraf would have been tried for treason, not just for this crime, but for the numerous others that followed.

 

[Mansoon]

With the great difficulty people got Marshall law rid of, now Imran Khan is trying to bring Marshall Law back again through Islamabad lockdown bringing every anti-Pakistani elements joining together to challenge the democracy as whole, and tried the same in the last dharna where military takeover almost became reality, but didn't become one thanks to the understanding between both Sharifs.

As I said, elections is not democracy. Elections are held under military government as well but it doesnt mean they are democratic.

 

[haris.ahmed]

Indian economic growth has nothing to do with democracy. Pakistan had much better economic growth during Ayub and Musharaf era.

Well if you'd rather live under a dictator, so be it. I can only try and convince you otherwise.

 

[Mansoon]

Well if you'd rather live under a dictator, so be it. I can only try and convince you otherwise.

But you are already living in civilian dictatorship of Nawaz Sharif.

 

[Jzaib]

Agree with (1).

For (2), isn't the PTI supposed to be the anti status quo party? It fulfills what the PML N cant. That is why people raise questions over the policies of PTI which completely belie its claims of being anti status quo. PTI is just as corrupt and autocratic as PML N and the like. That is what irks so many people of Imran Khan. Charity begins at home, as they say, and if he wants others to follow, he should set an example first, which he continuously fails to do.

(3) The so-called mujahideen were Zia, ISI and the USA's brainchild. Where was Nawaz Sharif in 1979? I doubt he had a major say in matters of such import at the time. But by not opposing this dangerous game and using Zia's trust in him to consolidate his power in Punjab later, yes, you can suit your narrative too.

(4) Do you think Musharraff being validated by SC and then elected by Q league is of any import? If anything, it goes to say a lot about our courts and puppet political parties. You can even justify the murder of this country's constitution by paying off the courts and parties. Mind you, in a more just world, Musharraf would have been tried for treason, not just for this crime, but for the numerous others that followed.

2) Not true . PTI doesnt control NAB and FIA . we support every inquiry and imran offered himself for accountability first along with NS. The same tatic was used by zardari which PMLN is using that start hurling accusations at NS. PTI has best police and investigation institutions which enjoy more freedom them all other provinces .

4) exactly that is why protest is required bcoz the institutions are biased

thank u for very logical reply .

 

[Mansoon]

4) exactly that is why protest is required bcoz the institutions are biased

Not biased but not working according to PTI

 

[Jzaib]

Well if you'd rather live under a dictator, so be it. I can only try and convince you otherwise.

isnt it dictatorship that all institutions are filled with your own men. AFter doing so much corruption you become so rich and powerful that no one can defeat you in elections . ?

Not biased but not working according to PTI

didnt u just said that institutions can be manipulated and bought ? so what options one have to get justice ?

 

[Mansoon]

didnt u just said that institutions can be manipulated and bought ? so what options one have to get justice ?

Mob justice is the only option left.

 

[Verve]

It's clear Motu Gang is here in full force.

 

[ADIL SHERDIL]

Everyone forget about one thing and that is Panama leaks. PML-N doesn't wanna talk about it. its like Jews dont wanna talk about holocaust . When an investigation on BOL can be launched on an article on foriegn newspaper and now after all this he is not proven gulity why cant an investigation be launched on NS and company. Are they wali-ullahs anything wrong said about them will be punishable.
All those say dictators this and that where have you seen democracy in Pakistan. PPP belong to bhutto and PML-n belong to Ganga and after that Maryam bibi.
anyone remember what khadam alla used to say about AAZ and he delivered his promise when he invited him over to his MAHAL and presented him 70 DISHES.

 

[Finer]

As I said, elections is not democracy. Elections are held under military government as well but it doesnt mean they are democratic.

Elections take inputs from the civilians. It doesn't matter whether it is written ballot or oral ballot. In the past, it started with oral ballot which led to appoint Abu Bakr (R.A) as the first PM of Arab Muslim world.

Dharna is not election. It is anarchism taking cities and towns as hostage, forcibly closing their businesses against their wills, imposing ban on the traffic costing their businesses, and overall, end up costing Pakistan more than 500 billion rupees in capital city of Pakistan.

 

[Mansoon]

500 billion rupees in capital city of Pakistan.

 

[Finer]

@Fallen King Sir if i am not wrong MQM and taliban were ZIa brain child so was NS. and secondly Sir with due respect PML-N has been in power for too long especially in Punjab.Please stop blaming everything on dharna as it was done first time in the world. Do you remember how was Cheif justice reinstated it was dharna and have you forgotten the words Shehbaz sharif used to say about AAZ.
Democracy only matters to those who can have their interest if the needs of ordinary man is met he would choose communism if he have to just to have a happy life.There development project just show their concern about ordinary person and according to them Orange train and metro buses are people utmost need this shows how much they know about people. You can blame dictators as much as you can but at the end of the day they both lies in the same category. Self centered business minded bunch of industrialists who have the army of slaves(poor illiterate Pakistani)

The issues is the present and we are stuck in the past.

If we dig deeper, it takes Pakistan back to 1971 - East Pakistan, and then 13th Aug 1947, no Pakistan.

Focus on the present. The present is that PTI is enjoining by every anti-elements of Pakistan sabotaging democracy, earlier they failed in the last two years ago, but this time they might not fail.

And the rest i have already said in my previous posts. Don't feel like repeating that has been already said.

But you are already living in civilian dictatorship of Nawaz Sharif.

Except that it is civilians elected government. Civilians voted for Nawaz Sharif. Do you understand the definition of dictatorship while you seem to be laughing like crazy for no reason?

 

[Mansoon]

Except that it is civilians elected government. Civilians voted for Nawaz Sharif. Do you understand the definition of dictatorship while you seem to be laughing like crazy for no reason?

As I said voting alone doesn't make the country democratic

 

[Finer]

As I said voting alone doesn't make the country democratic

So spreading anarchism against the nation's will makes the nation democratic?