Pashtun Tahafuz Movement (PTM) sponsored by NDS & RAW

[Sully3]

Pashtuns protest ? Sponsored by Afghans.
Baloch protest ? Sponsored by RAW.
Muhajir protest ? Sponsored by RAW.
Aurat march ? Sponsored by CIA and MOSSAD.

Today I learned foreign agencies are more concerned about our citizens than the citizens themselves. It's easier for foilheads to believe that every movement ever in this country is sponsored by some foreign agency than just believing it's an actual rights movement.

Quoting Lahori Guy. He understood your psyche the first time around.



When will i get paid. No one is getting blown up. BTW these mujahideen were created by Pak Army before they fell into RAW hands. Just so you know.

Yes you are right

RAW is sponsoring Baloch terrorists and that plan has backfired and now will direct their attention to PTM.

Insallah PTM and BLA terrorists blow up your kids then we will see how funny this all is to you.

every single champion of human rights against Pakistan on twitter is on RAWs payroll. they are admitting it themselves when their funds have been stopped by RAW

https://twitter.com/x/status/984886824639184896

https://twitter.com/x/status/983761039190831104

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

@TMA @Sully3 @Kabira

I'd say first you need to figure out who exactly you mean when you say "Pakistan". Because all I see is that you've reduced the entire state to the establishment, why else would you consider protestd against the establishment as "war against Pakistan".

Yes ofcourse factions like the BLA or militants in tribal areas have foreign support. Why wouldn't neighboring countries aid our stabilization. But when you've decided to shut your brain down and automatically label all protests and movements as "5th generation warfare" (regardless of how righteous the movement is). How hard is it for you to realize that people do indeed have legitimate grievances ?

 

[Dash]

Yes you are right

RAW is sponsoring Baloch terrorists and that plan has backfired and now will direct their attention to PTM.

Insallah PTM and BLA terrorists blow up your kids then we will see how funny this all is to you.

every single champion of human rights against Pakistan on twitter is on RAWs payroll. they are admitting it themselves when their funds have been stopped by RAW

https://twitter.com/x/status/984886824639184896

https://twitter.com/x/status/983761039190831104

The first guy was funny

 

[Kabira]

@TMA @Sully3 @Kabira

I'd say first you need to figure out who exactly you mean when you say "Pakistan". Because all I see is that you've reduced the entire state to the establishment, why else would you consider protestd against the establishment as "war against Pakistan".

Yes ofcourse factions like the BLA or militants in tribal areas have foreign support. Why wouldn't neighboring countries aid our stabilization. But when you've decided to shut your brain down and automatically label all protests and movements as "5th generation warfare" (regardless of how righteous the movement is). How hard is it for you to realize that people do indeed have legitimate grievances ?

I don't consider it war against Pakistan yet but there is posibility. I only have problem with PTM demand removal of check posts, army, border fence from FATA. If you support this and then also expect repeat of 2009 Swat.

 

[Sully3]

@TMA @Sully3 @Kabira

I'd say first you need to figure out who exactly you mean when you say "Pakistan". Because all I see is that you've reduced the entire state to the establishment, why else would you consider protestd against the establishment as "war against Pakistan".

Yes ofcourse factions like the BLA or militants in tribal areas have foreign support. Why wouldn't neighboring countries aid our stabilization. But when you've decided to shut your brain down and automatically label all protests and movements as "5th generation warfare" (regardless of how righteous the movement is). How hard is it for you to realize that people do indeed have legitimate grievances ?

so basically the gains of PAK army since zarb be azb which pretty much broke the back bone of terrorism inside the country you want them to be be changed back to like 2009 when these same pushtoons were blowing up everything and everyone in sight.

so if we listen to PTM, they want removal of army, removal of check posts, removal of FC and border fence from FATA, so basically create a vacuum again for terrorists sent by Afg and Ind to come and wreck havoc again.

Sorry not going to happen, if these pushtoons were not brave enough to fight the terrorists last time what makes you think that this wont happen again if we listen to PTM demands of total with-drawl of the forces. in-fact these are the same people that facilitied terrorists and gave them safe houses. Manzoor Puhstoons brother funnily enough was picked up by security forces in 2011 for facilitating TTP.

Also any words on how its ok for PTM leaders to say they will kill army and everyone should as well? is that ok to call for mass murder against the same army protecting them for afghani terrorist b@stards.

lakh di lanat on anyone who supports these un-educated morons.

 

[TMA]

@TMA @Sully3 @Kabira

I'd say first you need to figure out who exactly you mean when you say "Pakistan". Because all I see is that you've reduced the entire state to the establishment, why else would you consider protestd against the establishment as "war against Pakistan".

Yes ofcourse factions like the BLA or militants in tribal areas have foreign support. Why wouldn't neighboring countries aid our stabilization. But when you've decided to shut your brain down and automatically label all protests and movements as "5th generation warfare" (regardless of how righteous the movement is). How hard is it for you to realize that people do indeed have legitimate grievances ?

I have not shut down my brain, rather I am using it....All protests are not necessarily "5th Gen War" but ALL protests CAN BECOME part of the 5th Gen War and the State needs to keep an eye on it...
I could turn around and say why have you closed your eyes to this fact...?

Definitions are very important but can take a long time to agree upon, so let me agree with your use of legitimate (whatever that means as one man's legitimate is another's illegitimate but that is another debate although it is most relevant...)


Of course there are legitimate grievances and the State needs to address them. I am not denying this. If the State does not then it only bodes ill for Pakistan as the enemies will take advantage of this. However this is no excuse for Pakistanis then to engage in illegal activities/anti-State activities if their grievances are not addressed as per their wishes.

Pakistanis are an emotional bunch... What they fail to see is that Pakistan is in a state of (hybrid) war where the enemies are wishing to create strife and weaken the country from within...common Pakistanis who are demanding redress for their legitimate grievances MUST comprehend this fact. They can be (mis)used, even unknowingly to further spread strife in Pakistan.


These movements, may start off sincere but given the fact that Pakistan is in a state of (hybrid) war, it would be SUICIDAL for the State to not have a close eye on them as these movements can and ARE utilised to create destability.

If a movement takes help from outside (I include citizens of another country taking part in these movements as outside help) then, IMHO, it is open to being used against the State for sinister purposes and the State then needs to take appropriate action against such movements. If a movement demands the abolishment of those actions which have lead to the security of country in this state of war against foreign backed Khawarij terrorist, then IMHO, it is open to being used against the State for sinister purposes. IMHO this PTM has crossed this line.


Look at the example of Syria. There were many Syrians who had legitimate grievances. However their strategy was utterly foolish. They thought that outside forces were sincere to them. Nay, the external forces just wanted to use them to create destability in an attempt to overthrow Assad...now they have even more grievances than before...

Look at the case of Libya, many Libyans had legitimate grievances but they took "help" form outside and now what...?Even more grievances....

Pakistan is not Syria nor Libya, of course, but her war rages on and the vultures are still circling... far above...

 

[Sully3]

I have not shut down my brain, rather I am using it....All protests are not necessarily "5th Gen War" but ALL protests CAN BECOME part of the 5th Gen War and the State needs to keep an eye on it...
I could turn around and say why have you closed your eyes to this fact...?

Definitions are very important but can take a long time to agree upon, so let me agree with your use of legitimate (whatever that means as one man's legitimate is another's illegitimate but that is another debate although it is most relevant...)


Of course their are legitimate grievances and the State needs to address them. I am not denying this. If the State does not then it only bodes ill for Pakistan as the enemies will take advantage of this. However this is no excuse for Pakistanis then to engage in illegal activities/anti-State activities if their grievances are not addressed as per their wishes.

Pakistanis are an emotional bunch... What they fail to see is that Pakistan is in a state of (hybrid) war where the enemies are wishing to create strife and weaken the country from within...common Pakistanis who are demanding redress for their legitimate grievances MUST comprehend this fact. They can be (mis)used, even unknowingly to further spread strife in Pakistan.


These movements, may start off sincere but given the fact that Pakistan is in a state of (hybrid) war, it would be SUICIDAL for the State to not have a close eye on them as these movements can and ARE utilised to create destability.

If a movement takes help from outside (I include citizens of another country taking part in these movements as outside help) then, IMHO, it is open to being used against the State for sinister purposes and the State then needs to take appropriate action against such movements. If a movement demands the abolishment of those actions which have lead to the security of country in this state of war against foreign backed Khawarij terrorist, then IMHO, it is open to being used against the State for sinister purposes. IMHO this PTM has crossed this line.


Look at the example of Syria. There were many Syrians who had legitimate grievances. However their strategy was utterly foolish. They thought that outside forces were sincere to them. Nay, the external forces just wanted to use them to create destability in an attempt to overthrow Assad...now they have even more grievances than before...

Look at the case of Libya, many Libyans had legitimate grievances but they took "help" form outside and now what...?Even more grievances....

Pakistan is not Syria nor Libya, of course, but her war rages on and the vultures are still circling... far above...

someone ask these desi liberals, what kind of person asks the crowds to kill army men. calling for mass murder of army men what if one of these fools attending the jalsa actually does that. So will that be the right time to call them terrorists or agents of RAW? shall we wait for them to open fire first ?

lakh di lanat on anyone who supports a movement which calls for murder of army personal. These pushtoons rather get blown up by their own puhstoon TTP rather then checked at security points by the 'punjabi army' trying to protect them.

 

[TMA]

so basically the gains of PAK army since zarb be azb which pretty much broke the back bone of terrorism inside the country you want them to be be changed back to like 2009 when these same pushtoons were blowing up everything and everyone in sight.

so if we listen to PTM, they want removal of army, removal of check posts, removal of FC and border fence from FATA, so basically create a vacuum again for terrorists sent by Afg and Ind to come and wreck havoc again.

Sorry not going to happen, if these pushtoons were not brave enough to fight the terrorists last time what makes you think that this wont happen again if we listen to PTM demands of total with-drawl of the forces. in-fact these are the same people that facilitied terrorists and gave them safe houses. Manzoor Puhstoons brother funnily enough was picked up by security forces in 2011 for facilitating TTP.

Also any words on how its ok for PTM leaders to say they will kill army and everyone should as well? is that ok to call for mass murder against the same army protecting them for afghani terrorist b@stards.

lakh di lanat on anyone who supports these un-educated morons.

It is very obvious. And those Pakistanis who cannot see this...well they are just dim or insincere to Pakistan.

You are 100% correct. The only way the Khwarij terrorist and their foreign backers and helpers can ever reek havoc and cause mayhem is by getting a foothold in the country. This is very difficult to do when there are mechanisms in place to prevent this. If somehow, these mechanisms like check posts, border fences etc were no more well then it does not take a military analysts to see what would happen....

besides i still think there are these Khawarij elements now hiding or "sleeping" within Pakistan right now. They have dumped their weapons and changed their attire or even shaved of their beards (not saying having a beard makes one a Khawrij) and are just waiting for an opportune moment. These need to be sniffed out.

This just proves that foreign enemies cannot really harm Pakistan unless Mir Jafir's and Mir Sadiq's help them.

Pakistan must root out traitors and corruption.

 

[Spy Master]

so basically the gains of PAK army since zarb be azb which pretty much broke the back bone of terrorism inside the country you want them to be be changed back to like 2009 when these same pushtoons were blowing up everything and everyone in sight.

so if we listen to PTM, they want removal of army, removal of check posts, removal of FC and border fence from FATA, so basically create a vacuum again for terrorists sent by Afg and Ind to come and wreck havoc again.

Sorry not going to happen, if these pushtoons were not brave enough to fight the terrorists last time what makes you think that this wont happen again if we listen to PTM demands of total with-drawl of the forces. in-fact these are the same people that facilitied terrorists and gave them safe houses. Manzoor Puhstoons brother funnily enough was picked up by security forces in 2011 for facilitating TTP.

Also any words on how its ok for PTM leaders to say they will kill army and everyone should as well? is that ok to call for mass murder against the same army protecting them for afghani terrorist b@stards.

lakh di lanat on anyone who supports these un-educated morons.

Unfortunately, many pathans support him, the same way they supported TTP in its early days and made it threat to integrity of country. The same TTP 2.0 is gonna happen in future, the difference is this time using ethnic card whereas TTP used religious card. I hate to say this, but these KPK/FATA people are very easy to manipulate, may be because of lack of education!

 

[TheLahoriGuy]

@Kabira @TMA @Sully3

I'm a bit amused by this uproar I'm seeing over some petty demands. You are talking as if the movement demands the complete exit of the army and tearing the border down when we all know that is far from the truth. The demands that I'm aware of are fair and simple such as the watan card issue, development of infrastructure,justice for the missing persons , judicial inquiry of extra judicial killings, removal of land mines and REDUCTION of checkposts (according to Pashteens claim there's a check post every 2km or so). As for the anti-army speeches there's not much to say about it (the one in Pashto from Peshawar) it's criminal and malicious in nature and sounds like a completely different POV which should be condemned by the movement. But marginalizing all the people of FATA and the just demands because of someone's agenda is being close minded.

 

[Menace2Society]

To end this Afghanistan must be nuked.

 

[TMA]

@Kabira @TMA @Sully3

I'm a bit amused by this uproar I'm seeing over some petty demands. You are talking as if the movement demands the complete exit of the army and tearing the border down when we all know that is far from the truth. The demands that I'm aware of are fair and simple such as the watan card issue, development of infrastructure,justice for the missing persons , judicial inquiry of extra judicial killings, removal of land mines and REDUCTION of checkposts (according to Pashteens claim there's a check post every 2km or so). As for the anti-army speeches there's not much to say about it (the one in Pashto from Peshawar) it's criminal and malicious in nature and sounds like a completely different POV which should be condemned by the movement. But marginalizing all the people of FATA and the just demands because of someone's agenda is being close minded.

REDUCTION - hah! Your petty is someone else's serious.

The proverbial foot in the door or give an inch take a mile...remember Pakistan is in a state of (hybrid) war. When Pakistan is out of this state of war, the legitimate demands can be answered. The first step is security and elimination of terrorists and their supporters. The second step and the third step is this...

Now schools and infra structure have been built, judicial inquiry will come when the security is permanent and courts can function without Khawrij terrorists taking control. Land mines are being removed.
Reduction of Checkposts will happen when the Durand-Khan border is secured and fenced.

Not acquiescing to demands by this PTM does not equal marginalisation of all the people of FATA...this view plays into the enemies' narrative...
The movement demands just enough to allow the Khawrij to get a foot hold...just enough.

The anti-army speeches sound like the actual POV...to me. Has the movement condemned this POV?

 

[sakha39]

How is Khadim terrorist? I don't think he threatened the state or is blowing up people unlike PTM.

Even now if you ask PTM they will say army shouldn't be in FATA and afghanis should be allowed to move freely. Then same liberals will cry about terrorism.

PTM is not blowing anyone. BTW whr do you come up with these stupid facts pinhead. PTM saying they want ease of movement and no harassment from Pak Army checkpoints. Is it too much to ask

I already see some psudo "liberal" women from Islamabad putting scarf on head as soon as they cross Attock to join leftish liberal movement of PTM in Peshawar. lmao

Yeah same way you went to mars recently on your car. Say Hi to people of the International Space Station for me. Please do. Not joking.

some one put a bullet in this fat ugly b@stards head, un educated illiterate fool. In most civilised countries he would be behind bars on terrorism and racially motivated hate speech charges.

one or two weeks in the army prison will straighten this imbecile out.

He is indeed a fool. But going by your arguments you are not far away. BTW I doubt if you have ever been to a civillized country or if you have you yourself are not civilized enough to make sane arguments.

 

[Safriz]

these are all pushtoons attending ttp rallies and the leaders are also pushtoons. so why pushtoons are complaining now when they caused all this?

https://www.facebook.com/

 

[sakha39]

But some of Pakistan's own are working for foreign interests..that is the problem..how to curtail them without negatively affecting the rest of the population...?

Right. Any criticism against Army is against Pak interests.

How is Khadim terrorist? I don't think he threatened the state or is blowing up people unlike PTM.

I think desi liberals on social media give to much importance to Khadim. Was he allowed to close down Lahore? Meanwhile they support PTM. I’m not a fan of past army jernails but that doesn't give you excuse to pick up arms and become terrorist. And biggest army jernail mistake was supporting afghan jihad, not closing down western border and allowing millions of afghanis in Pakistan. I doubt many people were against that policy back then. Even now if you ask PTM they will say army shouldn't be in FATA and afghanis should be allowed to move freely. Then same liberals will cry about terrorism. I already see some psudo "liberal" women from Islamabad putting scarf on head as soon as they cross Attock to join leftish liberal movement of PTM in Peshawar. lmao

so basically the gains of PAK army since zarb be azb which pretty much broke the back bone of terrorism inside the country you want them to be be changed back to like 2009 when these same pushtoons were blowing up everything and everyone in sight.

Taliban were blowing themselves up not pashtoon.BTW what about Ponjabi Taliban ? Secondly most of the caasualities of bombings were borne by Pushtuns. Pinhead.

Sorry not going to happen, if these pushtoons were not brave enough to fight the terrorists last time what makes you think that this wont happen again if we listen to PTM demands of total with-drawl of the forces. in-fact these are the same people that facilitied terrorists and gave them safe houses. Manzoor Puhstoons brother funnily enough was picked up by security forces in 2011 for facilitating TTP.

Kashmir me kis ne fight kiya tha. Afghan jihad me Pak Army ki support se Pukhtoon ne fight ki thi.

Also any words on how its ok for PTM leaders to say they will kill army and everyone should as well? is that ok to call for mass murder against the same army protecting them for afghani terrorist b@stards.

lakh di lanat on anyone who supports these un-educated morons.

No one calling for Pak Army mass murder. These are fringe groups. BTW these arguments were given by Pinheads which led to separation East Pakistan (Bangladesh). Pinhead

Yes you are right

Insallah PTM and BLA terrorists blow up your kids then we will see how funny this all is to you.

Are you a retard ? report this animal bastard. How dare you come on PDF pinhead ?

every single champion of human rights against Pakistan on twitter is on RAWs payroll. they are admitting it themselves when their funds have been stopped by RAW

Where my salary from RAW funds ?
People like you are reason Pak is where it is. Pinhead

@TMA @Sully3 @Kabira

I'd say first you need to figure out who exactly you mean when you say "Pakistan". Because all I see is that you've reduced the entire state to the establishment, why else would you consider protestd against the establishment as "war against Pakistan".

Yes ofcourse factions like the BLA or militants in tribal areas have foreign support. Why wouldn't neighboring countries aid our stabilization. But when you've decided to shut your brain down and automatically label all protests and movements as "5th generation warfare" (regardless of how righteous the movement is). How hard is it for you to realize that people do indeed have legitimate grievances ?

These are stupid people and arguing with them is like hitting yourself against a wall. For them everything even legitimate concerns against Army is anti-Pak. They think with their emotions. They lost their heads long time ago squabling with some equally stupid Indian PDF members who like to provoke them.