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Parveen Rehman Assasinated

Folks let us stick to topic. The last relevant thing said was what I got from multiple journalists who told that the hapless victim blamed MQM and ANP backed mafias for threatening her life. Also, she was on record for blaming political parties for Qabza activities in Karachi (MQM, ANP, others).

Trying to call names to each other and political personalities (no matter how unsavory) is just too low. Altaf does not exist in a vacuum. No point blaming him. MQM might have a skewed perspective on pseudo-ethnic issues, but that does not mean that some legitimate reasons did not exist in propelling them to electoral success.

I have no problem discussing any issue, but what gets me going is lying even when obviously wrong. This is where I get angry at @darkinsky.
 
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Folks let us stick to topic. The last relevant thing said was what I got from multiple journalists who told that the hapless victim blamed MQM and ANP backed mafias for threatening her life. Also, she was on record for blaming political parties for Qabza activities in Karachi (MQM, ANP, others).

Trying to call names to each other and political personalities (no matter how unsavory) is just too low. Altaf does not exist in a vacuum. No point blaming him. MQM might have a skewed perspective on pseudo-ethnic issues, but that does not mean that some legitimate reasons did not exist in propelling them to electoral success.

I have no problem discussing any issue, but what gets me going is lying even when obviously wrong. This is where I get angry at @darkinsky.

i need the proof where she said something about qabza mafia belonging from MQM, you live in lahore and i dont blame you for being ignorant

BTW as the indian guy just posted the news that some TTP guy was responsible for her murder, lets not just go further with your rants please, its useless

you have personal grudge against MQM and urdu speakers and i remember you once said how we were responsible for east pakistan fall and all that garbage, and with such garbage you are clearly a biased guy to speak anything about karachi and MQM and since you know nothing about karachi i request to shut your mouth

more over i never saw you speaking against other parties perticularly PMLN, if it is, please direct me to such posts where you once criticised PMLN

if you have any stuff to prove that MQM is qabza mafia, please share
 
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i need the proof where she said something about qabza mafia belonging from MQM, you live in lahore and i dont blame you for being ignorant

BTW as the indian guy just posted the news that some TTP guy was responsible for her murder, lets not just go further with your rants please, its useless

you have personal grudge against MQM and urdu speakers and i remember you once said how we were responsible for east pakistan fall and all that garbage, and with such garbage you are clearly a biased guy to speak anything about karachi and MQM and since you know nothing about karachi i request to shut your mouth

more over i never saw you speaking against other parties perticularly PMLN, if it is, please direct me to such posts where you once criticised PMLN

if you have any stuff to prove that MQM is qabza mafia, please share

My being from Lahore does not entitle you to imagine that I know nothing about Karachi. I've been to Karachi many times. How many times have you been to Lahore kiddo?

You want proof? There is plenty only if you look for it. Here is her recorded conversation posted by a journalist who interviewed her:
https://soundcloud.com/desmukhf

Here is the article that journalist wrote:
Urban Violence and Land Grabbing in Karachi | PRI's The World

Which party does he explicitly mention? Guess! While we are at it, here are some relevant tweets from him:
Fahad Desmukh ‏@desmukh abidifactor As she mentioned in the interview, all political parties have beein involved in the land mafia racket.


Abid Hussain &#8207 abidhussayn
MT @desmukh Parveen Rehman told me both ANP & MQM had made threats against OPP.


Fahad Desmukh ‏@desmukh
.WasayJalil In my 2011 interview with Parveen, she named MQM MPA Quddoos as being one (of many) who had given direct threats to OPP.


Fahad Desmukh ‏@desmukh
Parveen Rehman in my 2011 interview: "Once one understands that [the issue] is not Pathan-Muhajir, then one will focus on the mafias"

Fahad Desmukh
‏@desmukh
@Brizzle111 @dureen_anwer No. I said both ANP and MQM had made threats against OPP in the past.

Some relevant information regarding MQM by non-Pakistani sources (with direct bearing upon the issue at hand):


WikiLeaks: Karachi gangs outnumber police | FP Passport

Cable Viewer
¶3. (S) MQM's armed members, known as "Good Friends," are the
largest non-governmental armed element in the city. The
police estimate MQM has ten thousand active armed members and
as many as twenty-five thousand armed fighters in reserve.
This is compared to the city's thirty-three thousand police
officers. The party operates through its 100 Sector
Commanders, who take their orders directly from the party
leader, Altaf Hussain, who lives in exile in the United
Kingdom. The Sector Commanders plan and monitor the
activities of the armed elements. MQM's detractors claim
these armed men are involved in extortion, assassination of
political rivals, shootings at campaign rallies, and the
murder of people from other ethnic communities.

¶4. (S) Low to middle-ranked police officials acknowledge the
extortion and the likely veracity of the other charges. A
senior police officer said, in the past eight years alone,
MQM was issued over a million arms licenses, mostly for
handguns. Post has observed MQM security personnel carrying
numerous shoulder-fired weapons, ranging from new European
AKMs to crude AK copies, probably produced in local shops.
MQM controls the following neighborhoods in Karachi:
Gulberg, Gulshan-e-Iqbal, Korangi, Landhi, Liaquatabad,
Malir, Nazimabad, New Karachi, North Nazimabad, Orangi Town,
Saddar and Shah Faisal.


As for your claim that the killer was from TTP, did you actually read the news story that said so? If you did, you might remember that very last paragraph in which the police officer making the claim said that it was a guess and not something certain?

Another journalist who covered the story of Parveen Rehman's assasination:
Abid Hasan ‏@A__Hasan
@evo8X8 titojourno yep as a said, its not certain, as in its probably the wrong guy

That should clarify a few things. So police shoots a 'fall guy' and claims that they got the killer. Under scrutiny from media, the same police admits that they can not be sure if it really is him. Journalists in the know guess that the guy was not the killer. Who could have interest is spreading a false story that can be used to cover real killers and use Police while doing so?

Listen I never said that MQM killed her. I merely said that Qabza sponsors threatened her. From what I have read this is pretty close to the truth. I have furnished enough proof.

Now coming to your lying and mud-slinging. Tell me where have I ever blamed MQM & / or Urdu-speakers for East Pakistan's loss. You were parading your anti-Bengali sentiments and I called you out. That was meant to be personal. How can you use that to make a sweeping allegation against me? Here is the record - read and let me know where I made such an absurd claim? You are lying, this is what you often do. This what you are good at. This is the only thing you are good at. Now that you are caught YET AGAIN while lying. What do you have to say in your defence? Is it going to be more Gali galoch from you? That is what I expect from you. That is your standard practice. Make claims, lie, when caught make gali galoch.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/social...-language-sikandar-sherpao-2.html#post3953979

http://www.defence.pk/forums/social...-language-sikandar-sherpao-3.html#post3954311

http://www.defence.pk/forums/social...-language-sikandar-sherpao-4.html#post3954488

I own that I dislike MQM, just because there are many people like you who come to its defence when there is nothing to be said for it. People like you make me dislike MQM even more.
 
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My being from Lahore does not entitle you to imagine that I know nothing about Karachi. I've been to Karachi many times. How many times have you been to Lahore kiddo?

i actually try to do a sane conversation but people mke it impossible using words like liar and kid etc tells me a lot about your background, actually you were brought that way, try to post again without these words, and we may have a sane discussion

oohh and all your rubbish has nothing got to do with land grabbing which is the topic at hand, your audio link doesnt work, other links ask me to register the website, try to do better next time

and no i havent visited lahore, what has my visitng lahore has got to do with anything with this topic??

and dont give a F if you dislike MQM, its not like im trying to convince you to like MQM

you know nawaz shareef grabbed a vast land near gulshan? in karachi, the vast land near aladdin park has been grabbed by nawaz shareef, and this land is worth a lot and has commercial value

this is called 'real' source and proving land grabbing

 
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i actually try to do a sane conversation but people mke it impossible using words like liar and kid etc tells me a lot about your background, actually you were brought that way, try to post again without these words, and we may have a sane discussion

Ahh, let me quote your choice words:
"abe jaahil ganwar" & "azra hosh ke nakhun le idiot, be careful before you open your stupid dumb mouth"
http://www.defence.pk/forums/social...-language-sikandar-sherpao-3.html#post3954093

And you want to have a sane discussion? Is it even possible with you?

oohh and all your rubbish has nothing got to do with land grabbing which is the topic at hand, your audio link doesnt work, other links ask me to register the website, try to do better next time

Read the thread name and tell me again what is the topic at hand?

You mean you wish to know if I can explicitly prove that MQM has an active Qabza group? As far as I know, MQM IS a qabza group. They act as though they own Karachi - all of it. What else is a Qabza group? BTW either you are incredibly naive or incredibly biased to not note the obvious. One of the many links I quoted named a specific MQM MPA as having issued threats. Care to guess why???

and no i havent visited lahore, what has my visitng lahore has got to do with anything with this topic??

Nothing much, just an educated guess based on your rhetoric and apparent lack of interaction with Punjabis. Visiting some place works wonders in getting rid of prejudices.


and dont give a F if you dislike MQM, its not like im trying to convince you to like MQM

Does not matter. There was a time when I liked MQM, before learning about its fascist language and tactics. That was a long time back, in the 80s (You probably were'nt born yet). I thought that they need another chance when MQM changed its name. But it was the same old party with modified rhetoric and same old tactics.

you know nawaz shareef grabbed a vast land near gulshan? in karachi, the vast land near aladdin park has been grabbed by nawaz shareef, and this land is worth a lot and has commercial value

this is called 'real' source and proving land grabbing

So, what should I do with this peice of information? Makes no difference to me. I support PTI and IK (and I respect MSS too). So how does your claim impinge upon anything that I have to say about Parveen Rehman's murder? That after all is the thread. If IK goes about grabbing peoples' property, do let me know. That would make a great deal of difference to me. Till then, keep a lid on it.

I hope you do realize that youtube is blocked in Pakistan? Good for me, otherwise I would feel obliged to actually watch what you posted. Knowing you, it would be off-topic and full of lies. Are you ever sorry about lying? I proved yet again in my last post that you lied about me. How thick is your skin? Oh I know, it is MQM thick, like Atlaf himself.
 
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Very bad situation in pak , they need to do strong action

My Condolence to the social worker RIP
 
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Ahh, let me quote your choice words:
"abe jaahil ganwar" & "azra hosh ke nakhun le idiot, be careful before you open your stupid dumb mouth"
http://www.defence.pk/forums/social...-language-sikandar-sherpao-3.html#post3954093

And you want to have a sane discussion? Is it even possible with you?



Read the thread name and tell me again what is the topic at hand?

You mean you wish to know if I can explicitly prove that MQM has an active Qabza group? As far as I know, MQM IS a qabza group. They act as though they own Karachi - all of it. What else is a Qabza group? BTW either you are incredibly naive or incredibly biased to not note the obvious. One of the many links I quoted named a specific MQM MPA as having issued threats. Care to guess why???



Nothing much, just an educated guess based on your rhetoric and apparent lack of interaction with Punjabis. Visiting some place works wonders in getting rid of prejudices.




Does not matter. There was a time when I liked MQM, before learning about its fascist language and tactics. That was a long time back, in the 80s (You probably were'nt born yet). I thought that they need another chance when MQM changed its name. But it was the same old party with modified rhetoric and same old tactics.



So, what should I do with this peice of information? Makes no difference to me. I support PTI and IK (and I respect MSS too). So how does your claim impinge upon anything that I have to say about Parveen Rehman's murder? That after all is the thread. If IK goes about grabbing peoples' property, do let me know. That would make a great deal of difference to me. Till then, keep a lid on it.

I hope you do realize that youtube is blocked in Pakistan? Good for me, otherwise I would feel obliged to actually watch what you posted. Knowing you, it would be off-topic and full of lies. Are you ever sorry about lying? I proved yet again in my last post that you lied about me. How thick is your skin? Oh I know, it is MQM thick, like Atlaf himself.

i have meet punjabis in real live, do you wanna know how many punjabis are here in karachi, i expect their numbers to be even greater than urdu speakers now, and i have no prejudice towards punjabis. punjabis living in karachi are not like naive folks living in punjab, i think they have become smarter and become more aware as karachi is mini pakistan and harbours all kinds of ethnicities infact you living in lahore and having 'less' interaction should have played a lot more in producing prejudice towards urdu speakers and MQM
 
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i have meet punjabis in real live, do you wanna know how many punjabis are here in karachi, i expect their numbers to be even greater than urdu speakers now, and i have no prejudice towards punjabis. punjabis living in karachi are not like naive folks living in punjab, i think they have become smarter and become more aware as karachi is mini pakistan and harbours all kinds of ethnicities infact you living in lahore and having 'less' interaction should have played a lot more in producing prejudice towards urdu speakers and MQM

Well you have a point here. In Lahore one comes across Urdu speakers whose parents migrated. One finds Pashtuns and Kashmiris. But I have seldom met any Sindhi brother or dyed-in-the-wool Baluch. You are right about Karachi's pre-eminent position as mini-Pakistan.
 
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1. Peaceful protest against the senseless murder of Parween Rehman by NaMaloom people.

beena sarwar ‏@beenasarwar
#Karachi - pls join peaceful protest against murder of Parween Rehman - Sun, Mar17, 3-4 pm at Quaid's Mazar, Numaish, #Karachi - Shehri


2. Full transcript of the interview of Parween Rehman. One can easily guess why she was killed. I have read the whole transcript and I have found why people had respect for this committed social worker. People noted that she was utterly without ethnic bias and totally focused on her work. She was also fearless. She could not have survived for so long without being fearless.

If you want to learn about the land mafia business, then READ this transcript. Below I have selected choice sentences, but they can not be a substitute for the whole thing. She states that Land is the basis of much violence now. If you wish to understand the land mafia tactics in Karachi, READ this.

@haviZsultan, I have some idea about what you often talked about. This transcript touches on the Aligarh colony incident. The fearless lady seemed to know a lot.

@darkinsky, you wanted some proof of Qabza tactics of MQM, well here it is in plain black and white. Too bad you can not challenge the lady, she is in her grave now. For your benefit, I have highlighted some material related to MQM tactics and activity. Refute if you can, but please no gali galoch.

Parveen Rehman on Land, Politics and Violence in Karachi | Third Worldism

...there is continuous battle over various segments of land in Karachi, between various groups of people who I would not say are given sanction by the political parties, but who I would say as a strategy align themselves with political parties.

... various groups as a strategy align themselves with political parties. And when the political parties are seen battling, are seen against each other, so its just great time to shoot each other and put it up that some MQM has shot this one, ANP has shot this one. So this is like political conflict gives the ground for great killing and violence to settle your scores.

...The solution is very simple, because the political parties have to understand this that they’re being used.

...we did not know whether we would reach safely or go home safely. I myself would not tell my mother that I’m going to office and this is happening and that is happening, but we have faced ourselves violence.

...and it’s very sad about ANP, ANP has learnt all the negative tactics from the MQM. What they do is immediately when violence happens, they also have started making units, they send in the unit members of somewhere else to occupy the place.

... We do protect ourselves of course by resorting to a bigger thug. Not resorting to violence but getting help from a bigger thug. And knowing who is the bigger thug is very important.

...Local thugs... The point is that they’re all extortionists...When...there’s a breakdown of governance above, that you can get away with things. There’s a time that you know that you can get away with things...when there’s political harmony, these things are controlled.

...there’s a fixed amount that goes to the police.

... he was a Pathan unfortunately from ANP... So my colleague told him are you asking for bhatta?

... all these years of dictators supporting one political party to prop them up and all has completely finished the institutions.

...Once one of our team members became very violent and he started hitting somebody. And we didn’t understand why is he doing it to his colleagues, and then we found that he’s become a die heart supporter of the local MQM and the unit. So after 1-2 instances, we had to remove him. But when we removed him – oh my goodness – the local MPA Qudoos, MPA Qudoos, then we got a letter from even Farooq Sattar. But Farooq Sattar was very gentle, he said please consider this if you can. But Qudoos threatened, he rang me up and he threatened keh aap dekh lein ge keh aap niklein ge toh kesey. Then he threatened my colleague, he threatened the people who the guy had hit, he said hum dekh lein ge when you get out. So the point is sometimes we think that we have to play act. We are fearful from inside, but we have to play act.

...in Karachi, in 2006, the main political party, the MQM, I can say that because now it’s in the open: they demolished about 2 goths, they wanted to demolish 2 more, they could not – and they set up Altaf Nagar, over 2,500 acres of land. So that was one, because they were in power they could do it with Musharraf Government there.

... Illegal because there is no document. And the documents we have collected which they give to the land, somebody who’s purchased the land, has no signature - nothing. But it has the thappa of the City District. And it lies that it says that this land has been there since 1980.

...But once one understands that it’s not Pathan-Mohajir then one will focus on these mafias. Dekhein na, what also happened in 1985, the Bushra Zaidi thing, what was it? It was not ethnic. It was made to be ethnic.

...Because anything happens there will be attributed to two ethnic groups. You see the people who do the violence do it strategically. And they are the masterminds. And like I said, it’s very unfortunate that one ethnic group, ANP, has copied all the militant tactics of the MQM.
 
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...in Karachi, in 2006, the main political party, the MQM, I can say that because now it’s in the open: they demolished about 2 goths, they wanted to demolish 2 more, they could not – and they set up Altaf Nagar, over 2,500 acres of land. So that was one, because they were in power they could do it with Musharraf Government there.

... Illegal because there is no document. And the documents we have collected which they give to the land, somebody who’s purchased the land, has no signature - nothing. But it has the thappa of the City District. And it lies that it says that this land has been there since 1980.

...But once one understands that it’s not Pathan-Mohajir then one will focus on these mafias. Dekhein na, what also happened in 1985, the Bushra Zaidi thing, what was it? It was not ethnic. It was made to be ethnic.

...Because anything happens there will be attributed to two ethnic groups. You see the people who do the violence do it strategically. And they are the masterminds. And like I said, it’s very unfortunate that one ethnic group, ANP, has copied all the militant tactics of the MQM.

hmm, seems like the author has personal grudge against MQM and thats why they removed a member who was selected on merit just because he supported MQM? so i wont trust the source

about goths, they are illgal in the first place, demolishing them is only legal and not illegal, no paper work because those goths are illegal, demolishing them doesnt require taking permission because its only lawful to demolish such structures

MQM also demolished many illegal structures including the very successfully running business of mela and sabzar lawn which were established opposite lal qila on shahrah e faisal, MQM has demolished many illegal encroachments and thats only lawful to do so
 
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hmm, seems like the author has personal grudge against MQM and thats why they removed a member who was selected on merit just because he supported MQM? so i wont trust the source
OK time to bring out the mirror. Let us take this statement of yours and replace the word author and MQM with one another. Bingo, we know why she was killed.

Just kidding. I am not saying that she was killed by MQM. She had many enemies. People who speak truth usually get that.

BTW, Is beating up people merit for you? I did not think you could come up with any excuse for violent behavior at an NGO. But you have done so and used that to excuse MQM Qabza activity by questioning the dead lady.

This is what defending MQM does to a person. Any wonder it is hated?
 
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hmm, seems like the author has personal grudge against MQM and thats why they removed a member who was selected on merit just because he supported MQM? so i wont trust the source

about goths, they are illgal in the first place, demolishing them is only legal and not illegal, no paper work because those goths are illegal, demolishing them doesnt require taking permission because its only lawful to demolish such structures

MQM also demolished many illegal structures including the very successfully running business of mela and sabzar lawn which were established opposite lal qila on shahrah e faisal, MQM has demolished many illegal encroachments and thats only lawful to do so

The vital question is who gained the most out of the Qasba Aligarh massacre? It was APMSO, the ancestors of Altaf Hussain's MQM. The people who gained the most out of the massacre are none other the terrorists from MQM. They want relations between ethnic groups (Hypothesizing that we are saying Muhajir is actually an ethnic group which I must say it is not.) to be poisoned. Thats why you see this dirty alliance and nexus between ANP, MQM and PPP. They know continuing violence will force voters who are Sindhi to vote for PPPP, Muhajirs to MQM and Pathans to ANP.

Also another vital question is... is it not the job of police and LEA's to ensure that these illegal goths are shut? Of course it is... but then who gave the MQM a right to police the city and abuse local citizens and people. MQM in each and every way behaves as a mafia... not a citizens movement. Its interests are only limited to what Altaf wants-not even what all migrants want.

The best thing we can do is refuse to vote for these parties. Furthermore if possible we should try and abandon the term muhajir and urdu speaker. I was in some respects like you once. But this is dividing our nation into fractious groups defined by ethnicity. We can beat this if we want and if we refuse to take race and ethnicity so seriously and voting on its basis then the others will follow.

Just don't be a bigot and try to disengage from the MQM.
@Chak Bamu we should have done everything in order to ensure her security... another man who educated people in Orangi town was framed on false charges of blasphemy. Protecting rights workers, health workers does not seem to be on the to do list of this hukumat. The safety of these women has to be ensured
 
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But you have done so and used that to excuse MQM Qabza activity by questioning the dead lady.

dont be pathetic, goths or kachi abadis are illegal encroachments and they are meant to be demolished? any rebuttal please do so, dont take a low blow

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