Parrikar - FGFA and MRTA in trouble

[Mike_Brando]

Parrikar is determined to go down in history as India's worst defence minister. First the MMRCA deal was cancelled, now the FGFA is in trouble. Is the IAF supposed to fight with flying kites?

So says an "Indian" patriot

 

[Luca1]

So says an "Indian" patriot

Why don't you respond to the facts he made instead of attacking the person making the post. So do you agree with him but dislike that fact?

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Why don't you respond to the facts he made instead of attacking the person making the post. So do you agree with him but dislike that fact?

Oh the Irony!

Preaching against ad hominem, while you yourself engage in ad hominem

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Talk about hypocrisy

what next, will you also start preaching against flase-flagging?

 

[Mike_Brando]

Why don't you respond to the facts he made instead of attacking the person making the post. So do you agree with him but dislike that fact?

Neither do i agree with him nor do i acknowledge him to be my fellow compatriot as he is a known false flagger!!I hope i have been able to clarify myself in this regard

 

[SR-91]

Why FGFA in trouble? I think he is trying to break the deadlock. Should be seen as a positive move and it may come out to be a positive news too.

Dead on.
I think he's playing the same game that was played with the French. He's is making sure India gets the most out of its money.

A lot of "ifs" there. If India is not getting TOT on PAKFA but gets TOT on Rafael, I see India downgrade AMCA to a none stealth 4.5 gen configuration and India should be able to roll out such a prototype by 2030 and be in the same level of advancement as LCA after 2040s.
India need to be more decisive on buying weapons.

@Abingdonboy,

Here comes the first troll.
Paid CCPs

 

[Abingdonboy]

Parrikar going to Russia to finalise deals for Modi to sign in December

Likely to press his Russian counterparts to ensure high serviceablitiy of the Su-30MKI through reliable supply of spare parts when he visits Moscow on November 2
Ajai Shukla | New Delhi October 30, 2015 Last Updated at 00:23 IST


Defence minister Manohar Parrikar, on the eve of his departure to Russia, says he hopes to "prepare some [contracts for signing during] Prime Minister Narendra Modi's annual summit visit to Russia in December.
In an interview on Thursday to Russian news agency ITAR-TASS, Parrikar said: "(F)or example, the project for joint production of Kamov Ka-226 helicopters. I hope to use my visit to have it inked on paper when the prime minister arrives. Also the purchase of S-400 missile systems. We anticipate these projects to be coordinated by next month."

Although he did not state this during his interview, ITAR-TASS is reporting on its website that "Russia (is) to lease another nuclear sub(marine) to India in December".
In 2012, India had leased a 12,000-tonne Akula-class nuclear-powered attack submarine, the INS Chakra, for a ten-year period for $900 million. At that time, then defence minister, AK Antony, had confirmed that negotiations were under way for a second nuclear submarine.
The Kamov-226T is a 3.5 tonne, two-pilot, light helicopter that is specially modified with a new engine for Indian requirements, primarily high-altitude operations along the Himalayan borders.
At their last summit meeting in New Delhi in January, President Vladimir Putin had personally requested the Indian prime minister for Russian Helicopters to be awarded a contract for building 197 Kamov-226T reconnaissance and observation helicopters in India.
This will be built under the "Make in India" initiative. The Indian partner is being decided and is likely to either be Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) or Reliance Defence.
The S-400, known in Russia as Triumf, is an extremely potent, long-range, ground-to-air defence system that is used to protect area targets from missiles that are fired from 40-400 kilometres away.
Parrikar also said he would press Russia hard for ensuring a high serviceability of Sukhoi-30MKI (Su-30MKI) fighter jets, through a smooth and reliable supply of spare parts and systems. There is concern within the Indian Air Force (IAF) that its Su-30MKI fleet, which will eventually comprise of 272 fighters, has had serviceability rates as low as 45 to 50 per cent.
Parrikar told TASS: "We have almost 220 of them (Su-30MKI) now and ultimately the number will reach 270, which represents about 40 per cent of IAF. When you have 40 per cent of air force strength from a particular maker, you are obviously interested in ensuring that they are serviced properly. Those aspects will be discussed and we are coming to conclusions, to solutions to the problem. I hope that these problems will be resolved very soon so service operation is substantially enhanced."
The proposal for India and Russia to co-develop two major aircraft - the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) and the Multi-Role Transport Aircraft (MRTA) - has been in trouble for some time. Parrikar spelt out the problems in both projects.
"As for the FGFA, negotiations will proceed further and we have halted ourselves to establish things clear in our minds. But with the Multi-Role Transport Aircraft, there are serious issues needing clarification, let me be frank. There are some serious observations which need to be clarified and reviewed properly," said the Indian defence minister.
Finally, Parrikar revealed that the IAF intended to finalise the purchase from Russian Helicopters of another 48 Mi-17V-5 helicopters, consolidating its position as the workhorse of the IAF fleet. With this purchase, the IAF will be operating some 280 Mi-17 helicopters.
Parrikar will leave for Moscow and St Petersburg on October 30, and will meet his Russian counterpart in Moscow on November 2. Later that day, he will leave for a three-day visit to Malaysia, to attend the ASEAN Defence Ministers Meeting Plus. Late on Thursday evening, a meeting of the apex Defence Acquisition Council cleared a clutch of acquisitions: four 3,500-tonne multi-purpose vessels (MPVs) for the navy for duties like towing targets and tugs, for a cost of Rs 700 each; two Deep Submergence Rescue Vessels (DSRVs) for deep-sea rescue for Rs 750 crore each; 149 BMP-2 infantry combat vehicles to be built in India for Rs 924 crore; two Pinaka multi-barrel rocket regiments for Rs 3,300 crore; and the upgrade of IL-76 and IL-78 aircraft for Rs 4,300 crore.

Parrikar going to Russia to finalise deals for Modi to sign in December | Business Standard News

The FGFA project seems to be progressing just at a very slow pace, I am not too concerned about it- between the PM and Parrikar they will get this project steaming ahead.


BUT the status of MRTA looks to be terminal and this is very, very, worrying- that plane is ESSENTIAL to the IAF's future. The IAF and MoD need to come up with a plan b as soon as possible as I'm not sure they have one and they cannot afford to sleepwalk into another crisis, this time with the transport fleet.

 

[[Bregs]]

FGFA won't be in trouble but the logjam over it will be sorted out in next couple of months, India do not have any other choice for FGFA except this one so needs to iron out the differences through some give and take

 

[Luca1]

The FGFA project seems to be progressing just at a very slow pace, I am not too concerned about it- between the PM and Parrikar they will get this project steaming ahead.


BUT the status of MRTA looks to be terminal and this is very, very, worrying- that plane is ESSENTIAL to the IAF's future. The IAF and MoD need to come up with a plan b as soon as possible as I'm not sure they have one and they cannot afford to sleepwalk into another crisis, this time with the transport fleet.

Its clear that India is not capable of creating a transport even at the class of C-130. Forget about the global master type of plane. What India can do is ask for US, Boeing, to Subcontract the global master assembly line to HAL.

FGFA won't be in trouble but the logjam over it will be sorted out in next couple of months, India do not have any other choice for FGFA except this one so needs to iron out the differences through some give and take

India can wait in line for F-35.... It can have a fifth generation fighter after the primary partners are fulfilled.

 

[[Bregs]]

Its clear that India is not capable of creating a transport even at the class of C-130. Forget about the global master type of plane. What India can do is ask for US, Boeing, to Subcontract the global master assembly line to HAL.



India can wait in line for F-35.... It can have a fifth generation fighter after the primary partners are fulfilled.

India is not going to go for F 35 nd FGFA deal despite all obstacles will be signed after sorting out issues

 

[Luca1]

India is not going to go for F 35 nd FGFA deal despite all obstacles will be signed after sorting out issues

If things turn south with the PAKFA deal, than India has the option of waiting in line for F-35.

Otherwise, you can get the Chinese stealth fighter as these are only options for you. LOL.

 

[Hindustani78]

Why FGFA in trouble? I think he is trying to break the deadlock. Should be seen as a positive move and it may come out to be a positive news too.

Copters, long-range missiles on Defence Minister’s Russia agenda - The Hindu
Mr. Parrikar said in an interview to a Russian news agency.

However, on the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) to be jointly developed by India and Russia, Mr. Parrikar said that negotiations would proceed further, but added, “We have halted ourselves to establish things clear in our minds.”

Talks on the final production agreement have been stalled due to differences in work share for the Indian side.

 

[Storm Force]

LUCA 1

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ this is what matter $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

AND INDIA HAS $$$$$$$$$$$$$

WHICH MEANS

F35
FGFA
Rafale


ARE ALL OPTIONS

IAF OR SHOULD I SAY MOD need to ACT

 

[Hindustani78]

LUCA 1

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ this is what matter $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

AND INDIA HAS $$$$$$$$$$$$$

WHICH MEANS

F35
FGFA
Rafale


ARE ALL OPTIONS

IAF OR SHOULD I SAY MOD need to ACT

Indian Establishment is one of the richest and Indian nation is more united now.


The Government on Friday announced that it will issue Sovereign Gold Bonds, a part of its Gold Monetisation Scheme, on November 26. Applications for the bonds will be accepted between November 5 and November 20.

Union Cabinet’s decision to approve the Sovereign Gold Bond Scheme and the Gold Monetisation Scheme on September 9, Finance Minister Arun Jaitley had said that the two schemes combined could potentially bring into the economy an estimated 20,000 tonnes of idle gold lying with Indian consumers. The schemes are also aimed at reducing India’s dependence on gold imports.

 

[Abingdonboy]

The Government on Friday announced that it will issue Sovereign Gold Bonds, a part of its Gold Monetisation Scheme, on November 26. Applications for the bonds will be accepted between November 5 and November 20.

Union Cabinet’s decision to approve the Sovereign Gold Bond Scheme and the Gold Monetisation Scheme on September 9, Finance Minister Arun Jaitley had said that the two schemes combined could potentially bring into the economy an estimated 20,000 tonnes of idle gold lying with Indian consumers. The schemes are also aimed at reducing India’s dependence on gold imports.

What will this extra revenue be spent on? Infrastructure?

 

[dadeechi]

Indian Establishment is one of the richest and Indian nation is more united now.


The Government on Friday announced that it will issue Sovereign Gold Bonds, a part of its Gold Monetisation Scheme, on November 26. Applications for the bonds will be accepted between November 5 and November 20.

Union Cabinet’s decision to approve the Sovereign Gold Bond Scheme and the Gold Monetisation Scheme on September 9, Finance Minister Arun Jaitley had said that the two schemes combined could potentially bring into the economy an estimated 20,000 tonnes of idle gold lying with Indian consumers. The schemes are also aimed at reducing India’s dependence on gold imports.

I do not like this idea at all. This is like taking out retirement money to purchase a Big screen TV. This option should have been reserved for tough times when India would be put under sanctions.