Paris suspect 'radicalised' since arrest: lawyer

[Vergennes]

The main Paris attacks suspect, Salah Abdeslam, has become even more radicalised since being imprisoned for his presumed role in the slaughter of 130 people a year ago, his former lawyer has said.

"He's got a beard, he's become a true fundamentalist whereas before he was a kid wearing Nike trainers," Belgian lawyer Sven Mary told Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant's Saturday edition.

Belgian-born French national Abdeslam is believed to be the only jihadist survivor of the November 13 attacks in the French capital that Belgian authorities claim were orchestrated by the Islamic State high command.

After four months on the run, the 27-year-old of Moroccan origin was arrested in Brussels in March and subsequently transferred to France in April.

Lawyer Mary said Abdeslam's detention conditions at a prison in the Parisian suburb of Fleury-Merogis amounted to "psychological torture" and had contributed to his apparent radicalisation.

He is kept in solitary confinement and subjected to round-the-clock video surveillance.

Abdeslam is accused of having provided logistical support to the seven jihadists who died at the various scenes of the terror attacks: the Bataclan concert hall, the Stade de France national stadium and several bars and restaurants in central Paris.

In July, his lawyers had attempted unsuccessfully to end the constant surveillance, but authorities had deemed the "exceptional character of terrorist acts" as justifying that "all precautions are taken".

Last month both Mary and another lawyer, Frank Berton, gave up defending Abdeslam over his refusal to answer investigators' questions since being transferred to France.

Mary said then that the lawyers felt they were doing nothing more than paying "social visits to the prison" and had decided to quit the defence.

Abdeslam's brother Mohamed last month urged him to speak to French authorities but also said he felt Salah "is more radicalised now, rather than de-radicalised".

http://www.thelocal.fr/20161112/paris-suspect-now-a-true-fundamentalist-lawyer-claims

 

[Penguin]

Tought sh!t

 

[Vassnti]

Took part in the murder of 130 people how the **** do you get more radical ?

Needs the patented French de-radicalisation program. Cassoulet avec la vin ordinaire as your only prison meal

 

[Mamluk]

Deport all Muslims (non-native) from France. That is the only solution.

They don't like you and I don't see any hope of reconciliation between the two communities.

 

[gslv]

Serve him only pork, will be fun how he survives.

 

[Penguin]

Im not in favor of cruel and/or unusual punishment. The law should be observed. Also in this case. Especially in this case.
Im also not in favor of collective punishment: a whole population should not be punished for the actions of one or a few members.
Anything else means 'they' win.

 

[-SINAN-]

Im not in favor of cruel and/or unusual punishment. The law should be observed. Also in this case. Especially in this case.
Im also not in favor of collective punishment: a whole population should not be punished for the actions of one or a few members.
Anything else means 'they' win.

Capital Punishment ?

 

[Penguin]

Capital Punishment ?

The death penalty has been completely abolished in all European countries except for Belarus. The absolute ban on the death penalty is enshrined in both the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union (EU) and the European Convention on Human Rights of the Council of Europe, and is thus considered a central value.

As of 2013, in Europe, the death penalty for peacetime crimes has been abolished in all countries except Belarus, while the death penalty for wartime crimes has been abolished in all countries except Belarus and Kazakhstan. In Russia the death penalty has been indefinitely suspended (under moratorium), therefore the country is abolitionist in practice.

There are some exceptions in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capit...tories_and_partially_recognized_jurisdictions

Capital punishment in the Netherlands was first abolished in 1870, though only in criminal law. Following the abolition of the death penalty, life imprisonment was made an official punishment in 1878. [ And under Involuntary commitment or civil commitment, for a qualified agent which has symptoms of severe psychiatric disease, that actually really can mean life ]
Between 1945 and 1952 several war criminals from World War II were sentenced to death by the Bijzonder Gerechtshof (Special Court). The last persons were executed in March 1952.
In military law, however, capital punishment remained a legal option until 1983, when it was explicitly forbidden in the Constitution for the Kingdom of the Netherlands. In 1991, all references to the death penalty were removed from Dutch law.
Today the Netherlands operates a clear policy against capital punishment, such as not participating in extradition if the suspect has even the slightest chance of receiving the death penalty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_Netherlands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_commitment

Capital punishment was practised in France from the Middle Ages until 1977, when the last execution took place by guillotine, being the only legal method since the French Revolution (with the exception of firing squad for some crimes).
The last person to be executed in France was put to death in September 1977. The death penalty was abolished in French law in 1981. It is now also forbidden by the French constitution, and by several human rights treaties to which France is a party.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_France

 

[-SINAN-]

The death penalty has been completely abolished in all European countries except for Belarus. The absolute ban on the death penalty is enshrined in both the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union (EU) and the European Convention on Human Rights of the Council of Europe, and is thus considered a central value.

As of 2013, in Europe, the death penalty for peacetime crimes has been abolished in all countries except Belarus, while the death penalty for wartime crimes has been abolished in all countries except Belarus and Kazakhstan. In Russia the death penalty has been indefinitely suspended (under moratorium), therefore the country is abolitionist in practice.

There are some exceptions in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capit...tories_and_partially_recognized_jurisdictions

Capital punishment in the Netherlands was first abolished in 1870, though only in criminal law. Following the abolition of the death penalty, life imprisonment was made an official punishment in 1878. [ And under Involuntary commitment or civil commitment, for a qualified agent which has symptoms of severe psychiatric disease, that actually really can mean life ]
Between 1945 and 1952 several war criminals from World War II were sentenced to death by the Bijzonder Gerechtshof (Special Court). The last persons were executed in March 1952.
In military law, however, capital punishment remained a legal option until 1983, when it was explicitly forbidden in the Constitution for the Kingdom of the Netherlands. In 1991, all references to the death penalty were removed from Dutch law.
Today the Netherlands operates a clear policy against capital punishment, such as not participating in extradition if the suspect has even the slightest chance of receiving the death penalty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_Netherlands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_commitment

Capital punishment was practised in France from the Middle Ages until 1977, when the last execution took place by guillotine, being the only legal method since the French Revolution (with the exception of firing squad for some crimes).
The last person to be executed in France was put to death in September 1977. The death penalty was abolished in French law in 1981. It is now also forbidden by the French constitution, and by several human rights treaties to which France is a party.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_France

Yeap, i know very well. I'm asking about your opinion on capital punishment for this case and in general.

 

[flamer84]

Tough luck but given the fact that he ll probably be kept like this for the rest of his life and can t hurt anyone,he can radicalise himself to infinity and I doubt a single f@ck will be given.

 

[Penguin]

Yeap, i know very well. I'm asking about your opinion on capital punishment for this case and in general.

I support the laws and customs of the country of which I am a citizen.

 

[-SINAN-]

I support the laws and customs of the country of which I am a citizen.

Does it means that if your country instates capital punishment, you won't have a problem with it ?

 

[pak-marine]

Death punishment will be too easy .. isolation thats what he is gaging for it seems .. what
Could be the worst punishment for a murderer of hundreds i just wonder

 

[Fenrir]

Does it means that if your country instates capital punishment, you won't have a problem with it ?

I can't answer for Penguin, but I can tell you that if Norway enacted capital punishment I'd be disappointed, but reluctantly supportive as I support the rule of law on Norwegian soil. At no time have I advocated for the Death Penalty for anyone in Norway, not even individuals like Anders Breivik - whos actions dig deep and personally into me (especially as I've a personal connection to the 2011 Utoya Attacks).

I however do not support him ever being released from prison and when he serves his allotted time and is up for a review, I expect the courts to emphatically reject any release of Breivik and instead afford him more time in custody.

He took 77 lives and injured thousands more (physically and mentally), but I support his right to life until Norwegian laws deem his rights void.

Serve him only pork, will be fun how he survives.

Nah. Respect his religious views, no matter how he twists them (within reason of course). Restrict his rights, but don't violate them yourself.

That would fit under cruel and unusual punishment (which is generally forbade or restricted in European nations) and could be used as justification to incite further negative responses in France and beyond.

 

[Vergennes]

Took part in the murder of 130 people how the **** do you get more radical ?

Needs the patented French de-radicalisation program. Cassoulet avec la vin ordinaire as your only prison meal

Serve him only pork, will be fun how he survives.

Tough luck but given the fact that he ll probably be kept like this for the rest of his life and can t hurt anyone,he can radicalise himself to infinity and I doubt a single f@ck will be given.

Death punishment will be too easy .. isolation thats what he is gaging for it seems .. what
Could be the worst punishment for a murderer of hundreds i just wonder

Im not in favor of cruel and/or unusual punishment. The law should be observed. Also in this case. Especially in this case.
Im also not in favor of collective punishment: a whole population should not be punished for the actions of one or a few members.
Anything else means 'they' win.

I can't answer for Penguin, but I can tell you that if Norway enacted capital punishment I'd be disappointed, but reluctantly supportive as I support the rule of law on Norwegian soil. At no time have I advocated for the Death Penalty for anyone in Norway, not even individuals like Anders Breivik - whos actions dig deep and personally into me (especially as I've a personal connection to the 2011 Utoya Attacks).

I however do not support him ever being released from prison and when he serves his allotted time and is up for a review, I expect the courts to emphatically reject any release of Breivik and instead afford him more time in custody.

He took 77 lives and injured thousands more (physically and mentally), but I support his right to life until Norwegian laws deem his rights void.



Nah. Respect his religious views, no matter how much he twists them. Restrict his rights, but don't violate them yourself.

That would fit under cruel and unusual punishment (which is generally forbade or restricted in European nations) and could be used as justification to incite further negative responses in France and beyond.

He will be kept totally isolated and subjected to video surveillance til the end of his miserable life. Killing him would be too easy and too quick.
Not to add that french jails aren't five stars hotels,being regularly denounced by the inmates and human right groups because of their disastrous sanitary and living conditions. Jails are old,not upgraded,insalubrious and full of rats,cockroaches and so on..... or even alleged guards violence..
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"Catastrophic sanitary conditions in french jails..."

"I want to get out".