Panipat (film) 2019 – A Stark Reminder to The Muslims of Hindustan About Their Betrayal

[GHALIB]

Lol, when did I make any excuse? I fully admitted that Marathas were poor strategically and they deservingly lost the war. They should have made alliance with Suraj Mal or maybe the Sikhs. Malharro Holkar was also insisting that Marathas should employ 'Ganimi Kava' (Guerilla warfar) that Shivaji Maharaj succesfully employed against Mughals but Sadashivrao didn't listen. Raghunathrao was a more seasoned campaigner should have led. But these are ifs and buts and the final result is that Marathas lost the war.

But you didn't answer why you have a missile named after a man who raided and looted your present day Pakistan?

surajmal left them before start of the battle , patiala sikh leader ala singh jatt was with marathas , but huge number of non combating ladies , servants , pilgrims and useless beggars were overload for a fighting army , this army was like a big python which was unable to move .

Sure, every person has positive and negatives in a medieval world full of war and destruction who is really blameless

But these conquerors gave us the space time and ability to establish our faith and that is priceless

They also have a psychological hold on the Hindu mind, they might violate the rights of Indian Muslims but they can never stop Babur conquering them

As India and Hindus are our enemies what better than to name our most destructive missiles after men who caused the most destruction to Hindus and who haunt their minds
Babur, Abdali, Ghauri may once again bring great destruction to the Hindu state

hindu states ?
babar defeated ibrahim lodi the sultan of delhi agra ,
nadirshah looted mughal kingdom
abdali looted mughal kingdom

none of them were hindu

 

[Kabira]

The problem is these modern extremist hindutvas in bollywood are stupid as ****. How is that betrayal when pathans from UP who migrated few decades back sided with Abdali. Like seriously? Do stupid fucks realise there was no concept of modern nation state back then?

Mughals brought pashtuns as part of their army to settle down in UP.

 

[PakSword]

Those people were not religious warriors but dakaits who came from mountainous areas to settled areas just to loot
Ab agar aik town ya village main 50 armed men aa jayain to log unhain rok lain ga?

On both sides of Arabia, the conquests were first led by Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) companions (R.A) ..

Below is the map of Caliphate of Umar Bin Khattab (R.A)

 

[Ace of Spades]

in india those times only rajputs fought , they never fought unitedly , individual kings fought invaders . so 95 percent non fighting population used to sit idol in there homes during those wars .

In the next one; everyone of you is welcome to join

 

[hussain0216]

surajmal left them before start of the battle , patiala sikh leader ala singh jatt was with marathas , but huge number of non combating ladies , servants , pilgrims and useless beggars were overload for a fighting army , this army was like a big python which was unable to move .



hindu states ?
babar defeated ibrahim lodi the sultan of delhi agra ,
nadirshah looted mughal kingdom
abdali looted mughal kingdom

none of them were hindu

No one said they were, in the real world kingdoms battle each other for land and resources

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Sure, every person has positive and negatives in a medieval world full of war and destruction who is really blameless

But these conquerors gave us the space time and ability to establish our faith and that is priceless

They also have a psychological hold on the Hindu mind, they might violate the rights of Indian Muslims but they can never stop Babur conquering them

As India and Hindus are our enemies what better than to name our most destructive missiles after men who caused the most destruction to Hindus and who haunt their minds
Babur, Abdali, Ghauri may once again bring great destruction to the Hindu state

I think that then you have a sick mind nothing else. You are basically applauding a guy who massacred unarmed civilians just because they haunt Hindu minds. Forget Hindu minds, first rectify your sadistic mind. As I just researched, not only Abdali but even Ghouri and Ghazni were just brutal in their invasions. I live in Maharashtra which is far away from these brutal invasions but guess what? Present day Pakistan took the impact of all those invasions.

I think Hindus were just naive back then and were not exposed to the brutality of the Midldle East regions. These invaders lived in harsher land and just brought their brutality with the nothing else.

 

[PakSword]

none of them were hindu

Hindus were long gone..

India was a ping pong ball between Muslims invaders.. Ideally, Hindus should have put a decent fight.. and the history should have told us how India slipped out of control of Hindus, then taken back, then slipped, then taken back.. just like how we know the history of Jerusalem (Palestine)... Hindus had ten times the strength of Crusaders, still couldn't hold on.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

In the next one; everyone of you is welcome to join

And why are you so eager for battle which will just destroy both countries? And why are you confident that you will win? People here are just too emotional and looking at everything from a religious lens I guess. I see very few sane people here.

 

[Ace of Spades]

And why are you so eager for battle which will just destroy both countries? And why are you confident that you will win? People here are just too emotional and looking at everything from a religious lens I guess. I see very few sane people here.

There will be one; your indian deluded rulers clouded with hindutva extremism are asking for it. So just a heads up for you common folks of india, be ready.

 

[SIPRA]

And why are you so eager for battle which will just destroy both countries? And why are you confident that you will win? People here are just too emotional and looking at everything from a religious lens I guess. I see very few sane people here.

Discussing ancient and medieval rulers and conquerors, and their proceedings, is quite a futile activity, though a good pastime on forums like PDF. These deliberations and discussion further complicate and start influencing unnecessarily the current day dealings and relationships.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

There will be one; your indian deluded rulers clouded with hindutva extremism are asking for it. So just a heads up for you common folks of india, be ready.

You seem more eager for battle than Indian deluded rulers you mentioned. Think with a sane mind.

 

[blueazure]

some indisputable facts ,

1. greek armies from macedon + muslim armies from arabia, persia, central asia, afghanistan routinely and frequently entered india proper

2. these armies faced little or no opposition and most of the times smashed any resistance , settling in delhi . make no mistake, delhi+ agra has been the seat of muslim empires

3. even the famed hindu rajpoots could do little ,instead opting to fight with mughals as their mercenaries and foot soldiers since the unit discipline and command cohesion was not there

4. not a single 'hindu ' invasion has taken place from east to west into punjab plains proper


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[TheGreatMaratha]

some indisputable facts ,

1. greek armies from macedon + muslim armies from arabia, persia, central asia, afghanistan routinely and frequently entered india proper

2. these armies faced little or no opposition and most of the times smashed any resistance , settling in delhi . make no mistake, delhi+ agra has been the seat of muslim empires

3. even the famed hindu rajpoots could do little ,instead opting to fight with mughals as their mercenaries and foot soldiers since the unit discipline and command cohesion was not there

4. not a single 'hindu ' invasion has taken place from east to west into punjab plains proper


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Isn't that a good thing? Doesn't it prove Hindus are peaceful and mind their own business? And on the other hand, many Pakistanis believe Hindus are cruel and what not.

 

[Kabira]

I would like to ask what the kings in Lahore, Peshawar, etc were doing when Ahmad Shah invaded your territories? And didn't Abdali loot fellow Muslims while Maratha Hindus waged a war against Abdali?

There was no king in Peshawar and Lahore but mughal rule in decline after Nadir Shah invasion. Abdali forces indeed used to loot muslims as well since hindu/sikhs run away and muslims though thinking they will be spared. But that wasn't the case.

Thats where Marathas come in, they were invited by Mughal's to help them throw out Afghans. Which they did in exchange of money. Which later on led to Panipat war. After Maratha loss, mughal rule pretty much ended. Afghans were not able to hold in to Lahore/Peshawar for much longer as sikhs gained prominence after not only end of mughal rule but also short lived afghan rule.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Don't know why Hindus lost most of the wars against Muslims.. This is not about Muslim Vs Muslim conquests... yeah we had many disagreements.. but wars against Hindus completely subjugated them.. at one point most of the presently known India became a ping pong ball between different Muslim rulers.

And we shouldn't forget the fact that Muslims were less than even 5% 1000 years back in present day India (still they are less than 20%.. Even then Hindus couldn't put up a decent fight against Muslims.

I love my history very much.. I know, now an Indian hindu will say that my ancestors lost the wars against Muslim invaders from the west... this is their usual argument to divert the conversation. First, I need to tell them I am not a descendant of Indian ancestors.. secondly, even if most of the Muslims living in India are descendants of Indian hindus or buddhists, according to our religion, we don't associate with them at all.. Converting to Islam gives a whole new meaning to life as we know it. A true Muslim (or the one who belongs to any other Abrahamic faiths) is not afraid of death, which gives him enough courage to be an aggressor even when he is defending his land..

But what I don't understand, this courage is not enough to subjugate 95% of the population.

You're forgetting the fact that caste and caste like hierarchical structures, essentially serfdom, absolved many of the marathas from actually being in a position to fight. The same hierarchical structures that provided ancient Hindus with loyal and dutiful servitude in centuries past becomes their undoing when suddenly untrained, illiterate hordes are expected to understand the need to unite and fight against an invader that is numerically superior. This is not exclusively a Hindu issue. Throughout history, creation of feudalistic serfdom based societies is always a double edged sword. The masses should not be deliberately kept ignorant and untrained, as this will prove costly when the real test comes.