Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[Zibago]

 

[Green Arrow]

We also felt the same way, the CC was later given early retirement too when it became apparent that he was acting out of malice towards Sir. However, the damage had been done. Even then, Sir Nauman never harbored any ill-feelings towards him. They are both Armour Officers so they are often present on the same occasions, Sir Nauman always smiles at him and says salam but he never replies.

When we tell Sir Nauman that we want to take that bastard to task, he simply says there's no need because he did what he thought was right and he will have to live with the weight of his decisions. Sir Nauman acted the way he thought was right and is content with how things turned out for him.

Thank you Sir for this wonderful post. I also have same thoughts and respects about Brig Noman. My Dad worked with him in the agency and he also share the same views & respect about the Sir like you. This Land has survived due to all these heroes in the past and will survive in the future too - InshaAllah

 

[litman]

members of JIT requesting to going to qatar. a major step to prove the innocence of NS. otherwise the letter by qatari prince would have no value at all. NS will come out as ultimate king of pak after this JIT gives him clean chit. it's really sad that our courts need more evidence when everything is so obvious.

pak is expected to continue its traditions and lose in both occasions.

 

[Farah Sohail]

members of JIT requesting to going to qatar. a major step to prove the innocence of NS. otherwise the letter by qatari prince would have no value at all. NS will come out as ultimate king of pak after this JIT gives him clean chit. it's really sad that our courts need more evidence when everything is so obvious.
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It could be a strategy too, by JIT.. JIT knows ke qatari ke pass kuch hai hi nahi...tu woh dey ga kiya? Everyone knows qatari letter is a lie..... Abhi qatari ne kaha ke Qatar aa kar interview kar lein.. If they wouldnt go..PML N would say ke ye qatar nahi gaye..ye humaray khilaf sazish karrahay hain.. Humaray pass sab suboot mojood thay.. If JIT goes to Qatar, and he doesnt show any documentary proof..tht qatari letter will be proven lie

Also, i am not sure, tht Qatari will still appear before JIT..even if they go to qatar..because he has nothing to show... Woh end time par koi bahana banaa sakta hai.. Also, JIT has asked SC to give permission to go to Qatar... If SC allows..then they can even go to london to record statement of Qazi family..

 

[Zibago]

members of JIT requesting to going to qatar. a major step to prove the innocence of NS. otherwise the letter by qatari prince would have no value at all. NS will come out as ultimate king of pak after this JIT gives him clean chit. it's really sad that our courts need more evidence when everything is so obvious.

Look at it from a different perspective jit is going to qatar AFTER recording Nawaz,s statements any balali and chop chop
They have actually made their case stronger @PakSword

 

[Arsalan]

@bold ... Pehli baat tu yeh hai ke gaaliyan dena meri aadat hai...na fitrat... Yes..i argued...many times..and forcefully argued my points Lekin i dont think ke main ne kisi ke liye personally itnay ziada derogatory words use kiye hon...ke usay gaaliyan dena kaha jaye.. Agar kiye hain..kabhi ..frustration main......hosakta hai ke mujh se ghalti hui ho... Aap mujhe meri woh posts point out kar dein... I will surely apologise..

Rahi SC ki baat.... Jb ye case chal raha tha...yes..i was negative..because of history of our SC..which never gave verdicts against NS or any powerful... Is liye bht dafa negatve hoti thee.. Ye bhi kaha ke mujhe nhi lagta ke koi result niklay ga....Lekin shayad aap ko yaad ho ke ..when i started reading Justice Khosa's book... I started to say..tht i have hopes from this man..and he seems to me to be a dignified man.. Main ne bhtt dafa kaha tha ke mujhe nahi lagta ke Justice Khosa kisi backdoor deal ka hissa banein ge.. I have hopes from him.. WHY? Kiun ke mera kisi bhi INSTITUITION ya kisi individual se koi personal grudge nahi raha... Har instituition ya individual ki history ki base par opinion form karti hun..jab mujhe lagta hai ke meri opinion ghalat thee.. I openly say so.. Main Justice Khosa ko nahi jaanti thee.. Unki book main unhon ne jo VERDICTS diye hain ya dechukay hain..unki basis par main ne apni opinion form ki thee.. Ke mujhe woh achay insan lagtay hain... And thankfully he proved my opinion abt him correct...

Regd advocate and pakora judge.. Unke remarks ki basis par hum ne opinion form ki thee... Jo unhon ne panama case main diye thay..and then tht opinion was reinforced/strengthened after their VERDICT... So now we have something solid to base our opinion on... Is wajah se unke baary main achi opinion nahi hai.. Iss ke bawajood..i have said few times.. And @PakSword can confirm..and testify ke main ne ye bhi kaha hai ..ke zuroori nahi..advocate aur pakora bikaao hi hon... Wh mujhe dil se patwari lagtay hain bas.. Isay gaaliyan dena kehtay hain?

Regd Justice Ijazul Ahsan..although he sided with advocate and pakora judge.. I have always maintained tht he seems to me to be a decent person... Bhtt dafa kahaa hai...ke mujhe is 3 member bench main agar kisi se umeed hai tu Justice Ijazul Ahsan se hai.. Athough he sided with advocate and pakora..but after knowing his detailed arguments in his verdict..we never badmouthed him.. Abhi bhi achay hi alfaz main zikr kartay hain unka.. Is se confirm hota hai ke hum kisi ke against itnay biased nahi hain ke logically sochna chor dein..ya koi cheez ya verdict pasand nahi aaya (tht he didnt disqualify him ) tu bas sirf buraiyyan hi karein... No..we didnt do tht

Regd JIT.. Bilkol.. Main bhtt depressed thee....jab JIT bani thee..aut panama verdict aaya tha.. I still stand by my earlier view ke main JIT ke openly against thee.. Tht was also based on history of our instituitions... But it was only when JIT members were selected...and we came to know abt their reputation..i started to calm down..and thought tht we should give them a chance...

Again it proves..ke main kisi instituition ya individual ke against nahi hun ...rather its only actions of those individuals or instituitions tht we are against..

Aur jo koi acha kaam karta hai....or if someone proves my (negatve) opinion abt someone wrong..then i happily accept tht..and openly appreciate tht person... Jab se JIT members ki achi reputation suni hai.. Main ne hamesha unhein appreciate kiya hai..

Regd MI and ISI members..in JIT ....Yes.. I again say tht initially i was apprehensive when they were included in this JIt..because of their presence in dawn leaks committee and the way tht matter was settled eventually.. But kal bhi kaha tha...tht i came to realise lTer tht they were not responsible for whT happened in dawn leaks..and tht such deals happen at the top.. And yesterday @Icarus shared more info regarding Brig Noman..i again apologised tht i was wrong abt him, and tht after coming to know abt him...i am extremely proud of him as a Pakistani.. Again proves...tht i have no personal grude against any individual or instituition.. Regd the same Brig Noman..on whose presence in JIT..i was apprehensive initially..when @Icarus shard info yesterday...i whole heartedly accepted my mistake..and apologised..

Now why i am hopeful abt this JIT..is again based on their ACTIONS..esp after knowing abt their reservations in SC.. We have come to know tht they are courageous ppl..who are not afraid of anyone..and doing their best as much as they can,, so this opinion is again based on their actions.. S now tht i have seen their conduct..i appreciate them a lot and will always respect these JIT members, no matter what the verdict of this case as..as we have never badmouthed abt Justice Ijazul Ahsan.. I believe tht uptil now, after seeing their conduct .....tht they are heroes, atleast for me..who should be praised rather than be doubted ..

Regd what u said ke JIT walay bhi insan hain.. NS will not go down without a fight.. I agree.. But dont u think...tht when we know this..JIT members didnt know abt it..when they were included in this JIT? They must have known this ..already..and yet they took up this challenge..is what makes me appreciate them even more.. They acted selflessly...without being bowed down by the threats and risks to their careers.. They are heroes for me already...and i will supoort them, in whatever they do now.. If they have called NS, or anyone else..they know the consequences already.. They are doing Jihad, in true sense.... If they think tht risks are too much for them...and its not worth it.. They can still excuse themselves..and trust me... .i will think they are justified and will never badmouth them, ever... Whatever they choose to do..i will appreciate them... Whatever they have done till now.. They are heroes for me already.. and even their resignation wont change tht..though i will be sad at their resignation...ofcourse.. But for Pakistan..tht due to the state of affairs..they had to resign..but will never badmouth or doubt them, or their intentions.. They are humans too, and have families, too... so they will be justified..in whatever they do.. Although i sincerely hope tht they continue till 60 days

Waisy...aap ne itni dafa humein criticise kiya ke hum bhtt negative hojatay hian...we never reacted the way u did... Yes..again i will say tht i countered your points with my arguments always forcefully.... lekin uss par bhi yeh kabhi nahi kaha ke aap uss ko galiyan detay thay..ya usko nahi... I expected better from you

Aik min
its a longggg post and i will reply in detail
just want to mention an imp point ka "galiyan dyty rahy ho" was a figure of speech. not like ka ap na waki abuse kia ho, dont expect that from you and almost all of our members here. Sorry if it hurt you. I just meant ka jin ko HUM SB bura balha kahty rahy han, and it was not to ridicule but to point you to a ceratin time period.

Will revert back on everything else later

 

[Verve]

These people are actually damned/cursed with the addiction of blood money. Even though they are billionaires, but their style and lifestyle is nothing like a western billionaire (who is one after paying taxes).

Would just one kid of Shariff family spend £20,000 per week for 3 months straight just on flowers and repeat this every year, out of his sole taxed earnings? Heck no. And this spend on flowers is just one of countless such expenses. Flying 400 people first class from all over the world (all expenses paid) just for a weekend party is another example ..

Thugs steal, hide the money and accumulate like misers .. slaves to their own loot.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[The Accountant]

I think going to qatar is nice move to proof that JIT is not keeping any stone unturned ...

 

[war&peace]

Aik min
its a longggg post and i will reply in detail
just want to mention an imp point ka "galiyan dyty rahy ho" was a figure of speech. not like ka ap na waki abuse kia ho, dont expect that from you and almost all of our members here. Sorry if it hurt you. I just meant ka jin ko HUM SB bura balha kahty rahy han, and it was not to ridicule but to point you to a ceratin time period.

Will revert back on everything else later

I'm interested in your long reply Mr TTA...
Never tease a girl because in the war of words you can't win...it is impossible..no man has been successful including the great warriors

 

[Farah Sohail]

Dont know how credible it is..but this is what Shaheen Sehbai says

https://twitter.com/ssehbai1/status/87541004427116544

https://twitter.com/ssehbai1/status/87541242103220224

 

[litman]

It could be a strategy too, by JIT.. JIT knows ke qatari ke pass kuch hai hi nahi...tu woh dey ga kiya? Everyone knows qatari letter is a lie..... Abhi qatari ne kaha ke Qatar aa kar interview kar lein.. If they wouldnt go..PML N would say ke ye qatar nahi gaye..ye humaray khilaf sazish karrahay hain.. Humaray pass sab suboot mojood thay.. If JIT goes to Qatar, and he doesnt show any documentary proof..tht qatari letter will be proven lie

Also, i am not sure, tht Qatari will still appear before JIT..even if they go to qatar..because he has nothing to show... Woh end time par koi bahana banaa sakta hai.. Also, JIT has asked SC to give permission to go to Qatar... If SC allows..then they can even go to london to record statement of Qazi family..

Do you think that the qatari prince will give them access to his accounts? the arabs take pakistanis for piece of cr*p . he will only verify his letter and tell them to go home. bad move by JIT.

 

[war&peace]

We also felt the same way, the CC was later given early retirement too when it became apparent that he was acting out of malice towards Sir. However, the damage had been done. Even then, Sir Nauman never harbored any ill-feelings towards him. They are both Armour Officers so they are often present on the same occasions, Sir Nauman always smiles at him and says salam but he never replies.

When we tell Sir Nauman that we want to take that bastard to task, he simply says there's no need because he did what he thought was right and he will have to live with the weight of his decisions. Sir Nauman acted the way he thought was right and is content with how things turned out for him.

The most important thing for a conscientious person is the content of heart...Money, promotion, fame etc are all meaningless for such a person. I know many people who have been working for the betterment of Pakistan and nobody knows them, they don't want to appear on any media, do not wish people praise them for what they have done....so their reward rests with Allah Azzawajjala and they will be among successful people on the day of judgement in addition to leading a content life.

 

[Realistic Change]

Dont know how credible it is..but this is what Shaheen Sehbai says

https://twitter.com/ssehbai1/status/87541004427116544

https://twitter.com/ssehbai1/status/87541242103220224

Was anyone expecting any different outcome?

Whole trail and empire of $harif is based and built on two Qatari letters. Period

No credit lines, no guarantees, no down payments, no collateral, no gains on investments anywhere in the world but just two letters issued in 2017 before that entire business dealings of $harifs was zabani kalami.

In 2017 $harif empire has started documenting their businesses and first two docs are these two Qatari letters of a person whose own dubiousness was flashed on front pages in UK.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Was anyone expecting any different outcome?

Whole trail and empire of $harif is based and built on two Qatari letters. Period

Yes.. But his sec tweet regd Qatari prince .. I think qatari will just want to waste time of JIT..and maybe still not appear in the end...as he doesnt have anything to show......so maybe, i think JIT shouldnt go....then? Why waste your own time? Waisy.....I think scheduling tu foreign office ke through hogi...and tht will be finalised before JIT's visit..... But if he doesnt appear on first date...JIT should come back immediately rather than giving him another chance and wait for him

Do you think that the qatari prince will give them access to his accounts? the arabs take pakistanis for piece of cr*p . he will only verify his letter and tell them to go home. bad move by JIT.

No Qatari prince wont give JIT any access..and also since tht letter is a fake, everyone knows tht..he wont be able to provide any documentary evidence in support of his qatari letter... So by cross questioning hin, it will become amply clear, tht qatari letter is a lie....

If JIT doesnt go..then snarifs will say tht JIT is biased... Qatari offered JIT to interview him in qTar.. JIT didnt go..otherwise we had all the proofs... But i am more interested now..tht JIT's time isnt wasted much on this.. There should be a finalised date before their visit and if he doesnt appear on first date, JIT should come back immediately