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seriousley peopel. does any one think that the investigation is goining to be transparannt, without any infulence from sittining PM................ NO CHANCE AT ALL. he will create havoc before found guilty.
he will sink the whole ship. but not surrender the helm. dont get fooled by chubby miss piggy face of nawaz sharif. THE DEVIL IN DESGUISE .......

^ Absolutely true not an iota of doubt - that is why extreme measures are being taken to take head-on with SCP.

@Verve - MI and ISI reps are the same that of Dawn Leaks and surprisingly PMLN has no issues with them *hint hint*

Yes, this was a flaw that SCP did not address initially that how these recordings will be protected, hence Interior Ministry has access and control over it till Friday, there were reports that it is being discussed how to make it more transparent and there may be a petition to make it public - and that will put PMLN in extremely tight spot. I doubt that few judges of the bench will let their prerogative slip away that easily.

Plus - let me reiterate; JIT has a job to do which is to seek answers of 13 framed questions. Either they can establish the trail and "halalness" of money or not.

There is no grey area. Either $harifs will be innocent or guilty.
 
@Realistic Change now i hope tht Nawaz Shatif doesnt resign.. Ab jab yahan tak baat aa hi gayi hai..tu he should be insulted now, to the max.. If he resigns now, before or after recording his statement to the JIt...phir tu judges ke pass disqualification ka option use karnay ko hi nahi rahay ga.... I want judges to declare him not being sadiq and ameen, and disqualified on tht basis..so tht it gets documented now...

Ya tu SC NS ko suspend kar deti or should have asked him to step aside ... But if he resigns...phir disquLification ka option judges ke pass nahi rahay ga...which i dont want to happen..

Are u sure..he is thinking to resign now? Is this confirmed news?

Not likely, as it will be too obvious :nono:

Plus it gets sent to SCP after every proceeding and submitted to PMLN's most recent crush :smitten:Registrar of SCP.

The proceedings of JIT are available to SCP on daily basis; the bench does have access to what is happening in JIT on daily basis; and they (Judges) do go through these as it's not possible to reconvene every two weeks without analyzing what has been done in lengthy recordings. Hence, the proceedings are shared and submitted to SCP at the end of day.

There is no disconnect and very little delay (at the end of the day) between whats done/recorded in JIT and its availability to the special bench.

This is great news tht everything is available to the special bench..every day..

But then why does bench need JIT report after 2 weeks..when they already know whats happeneing daily? I though ke SC bench ko report se hi pata chalta hoga..summary of what has happened? And they will get detailed report in the end.. Thts great news..if they have knowledge of whats happening in JIT daily...
 
@Realistic Change now i hope tht Nawaz Shatif doesnt resign.. Ab jab yahan tak baat aa hi gayi hai..tu he should be insulted now, to the max.. If he resigns now, before or after recording his statement to the JIt...phir tu judges ke pass disqualification ka option use karnay ko hi nahi rahay ga.... I want judges to declare him not being sadiq and ameen, and disqualified on tht basis..so tht it gets documented now...

Ya tu SC NS ko suspend kar deti or should have asked him to step aside ... But if he resigns...phir disquLification ka option judges ke pass nahi rahay ga...which i dont want to happen..

Are u sure..he is thinking to resign now? Is this confirmed news?



This is great news tht everything is available to the special bench..every day..

But then why does bench need JIT report after 2 weeks..when they already know whats happeneing daily? I though ke SC bench ko report se hi pata chalta hoga..summary of what has happened? And they will get detailed report in the end.. Thts great news..if they have knowledge of whats happening in JIT daily...

Yes, Nawaz $harif is contemplating resignation (among other options) and I have listed above three stages of priming the situation to get favourable results. These options were not discussed in cabinets meeting but in a meeting (with kitchen cabinet or hawks ...whatever you term them) after the cabinets meeting. Biggest hitch is Senate's elections. If those elections had taken place, Nawaz $harif would have resigned by now. 100% confirmed!

a) Tariq Shafi hoax
b) Behal Hashmi voiceover of Nawaz $harif
c) Govt., machinery leaking Hussain's pic

SC gets the end of day recordings - but obviously they do not analyze entire proceedings, but they do have access. As an example; Saeed Ahmed's statement's parts were reviewed few days ago by member/s of this bench even before it gets submitted in formal JIT report.

Every two weeks the formal report is submitted as per TORs (Terms of Reference) setup and executed by this special bench.

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Maybe N $harif should now make Najam Sethi as their spokesman in place of Musadiq Malik as Sethi will have more free time now :)
 
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ye kya keh dia aap ne!!! :o::o::o::o:

Jitni jaldi iss banday se jaan chotay hamari, utna behtar hai ... daffa khapay ye kahin aur ...

I still think he will resign and leave the country before the final verdict ...

Ye agar resign karay ga tu moral high ground le ley ga.. Ab 20-25 dys ki hi tu baat hai... Iski insult honay dein achi tarah... Aur yeh ke agar khud resign kar diya tu judges disqualify kaisy karein ge? DisqUalification ka tu purpose aur logic hi khatam hojayegi.. I want judges to declare him dishonest now.. And for tht, kts necessary tht he doesnt resign.. Agar SC pehlay isay khud suspend kar deti tu alag baat thee... But now i dont want him to resign, and want him to face disqualification from S

1. Yes, Nawaz $harif is contemplating resignation (among other options) and I have listed above three stages of priming the situation to get favourable results. These options were not discussed in cabinets meeting but in a meeting (with kitchen cabinet or hawks ...whatever you term them) after the cabinets meeting. Biggest hitch is Senate's elections. If those elections had taken place, Nawaz $harif would have resigned by now. 100% confirmed!

a) Tariq Shafi hoax
b) Behal Hashmi voiceover of Nawaz $harif
c) Govt., machinery leaking Hussain's pic

SC gets the end of day recordings - but obviously they do not analyze entire proceedings, but they do have access. As an example; Saeed Ahmed's statement's parts were reviewed few days ago by member/s of this bench even before it gets submitted in formal JIT report.

Every two weeks the formal report is submitted as per TORs (Terms of Reference) setup and executed by this special bench.

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Maybe N $harif should now make Najam Sethi as their spokesman in place of Musadiq Malik as Sethi will have more free time now :)

I want NS to face max humiliation now... So better he goes to fight mode, and doesnt resign... And face disqualification from SC.. I hope hawks in PML N again prevail and prevent him from giving resignation...

Regd the bench.. I am hopeful tht Justice Ijazul Ahsan will make the right decision....
 
Ye agar resign karay ga tu moral high ground le ley ga..

Moral ground to ho gya khaak Nawaz Ka anyways.

Resignation will be better for the country. Chances of unrest will be less. If he doesn't resign then expect unrest.

I think he will resign as resignation will come with exile/exit. Whereas disqualification whilst full fledged fighting will come with jail. Question for Nawaz is: do you favour exile with some of your money or jail with none? As before, he is more likely to choose exile as he doesn't have support from Army and Judiciary both this time around to get away by causing major unrest.
 
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I hope SC do justice and expose this godfather, more and let these corrupts get exposed in front of the whole nation.
 
@PakSword @Guvera @Realistic Change Yeh acha mazaaq hai ? :( accused ne challenge kar diya, judge ki presence ko :angry: lagta hai ke Chairman NAB ke against jo SJC main proceedings honi theen..us main bhi Justice Khosa par aitraz kar dein ge :( theek hai..agar justice Khosa na hon..us SJC proceedings main...tu advocate ko bhi nahi hona chahye :angry: Ke advocate bhi panama bench ka part thay..[/QUOTE]

Kal bhi advocate zinda tha aaj bhi advocate zinda hai !!
 
Last 15 days of investigation, to tell the public that we have accepted one more demand of Shareefs so that they don't cry foul in the end. By that time, JIT will have submitted 3rd report and 90% investigation will have been completed.

Sharif's ke baap ka raaj hai kia ? JIT shudn't be changed and it wont.
 
MI and ISI reps are the same that of Dawn Leaks and surprisingly PMLN has no issues with them *hint hint*

Actually Nawaz Sharif's cousin, Tariq Shafi launched a formal complaint against the representative from one of these agencies when he stated that they had misbehaved with him during the course of the investigation. PMLN Leaders have also been questioning their qualification to conduct a probe on fiscal matters from time to time. I think your observation is therefore, quite flawed. They have not been charged with political inclination like said members of the JIT because there is no case for that.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1417100/nawazs-cousin-moves-court-jit-members-misbehaviour/
 
Actually Nawaz Sharif's cousin, Tariq Shafi launched a formal complaint against the representative from one of these agencies when he stated that they had misbehaved with him during the course of the investigation. PMLN Leaders have also been questioning their qualification to conduct a probe on fiscal matters from time to time. I think your observation is therefore, quite flawed. They have not been charged with political inclination like said members of the JIT because there is no case for that.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1417100/nawazs-cousin-moves-court-jit-members-misbehaviour/

If the link to what you are referring re two members; MI & ISI - I am sorry I couldn't find any reference in the link you provided. Plus, what I wrote above is not based on observation, but from my information.

Maybe it's the fasting effect on me that I couldn't find what you are referring; let me paste your referenced article mentioning the reference to ISI & MI reps in JIT so you can pinpoint towards that. Thanks in advance!

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Mian Muhammad Tariq Shafi. PHOTO: Facebook

ISLAMABAD: A member of the Sharif family has moved a complaint against ‘misbehaviour’ of a few members of the joint investigation team (JIT), which is investigating into the offshore properties of the ruling family in line with the Supreme Court’s April 20 verdict in Panamagate case.

The complaint has been filed by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s cousin Tariq Shafi to the JIT’s head Wajid Zia against some of the JIT members, who allegedly misbehaved with him during interrogation.

A copy of the complaint has also been sent to the Supreme Court registrar for perusal of the three-judge special bench, which is overseeing implementation of Panamagate verdict.

Sources told The Express Tribune that Shafi, who is a key witness in the probe, has been interrogated by the six-member JIT. However, during the investigation he was given a hard time by some JIT members.

The complaint was reportedly moved before the special bench’s hearing on Monday. However, no mention of the complaint was made during the hearing.

Rather, the bench asked the JIT members that they must inform the court if any department was not cooperating or dragging its feet, adding that “we know how to implement our order”.

Justice Azmat Saeed Sheikh, however, observed that so far no one had caused any hindrance.

Sources said the prime minister’s son Hussain was also considering moving a plea raising objections over the methods being employed to investigate. The legal team of the Sharif family is also raising objections over two members of the JIT for some reasons.

The legal team is, however, divided over whether or not to file complaint against JIT members.

One section of the team believes that at this stage filing a complaint or a plea will be a bad idea. Presently, the family is relying on the advice of senior lawyers Khawaja Haris and Salman Aslam Butt.

The legal experts say the accused or witnesses cannot get relaxation during the criminal investigation as the JIT is not bound to act on their wishes.

Meanwhile, sources told The Express Tribune that Salman Aslam Butt will visit Qatar in the first week of June to manage affairs related to the involvement of Qatari Prince Hamad bin Jassim in the case.

Earlier on Thursday, Pakistan’s Embassy in Qatar delivered to Jassim a sealed envelope, possibly bearing the JIT’s questionnaire.

Forwarded through the Foreign Office, the JIT sent the envelope to the prince as during the Panamagate case hearing, the PM’s legal team had presented two letters from the prince in a bid to establish the money trail of the London properties owned by Sharifs.
 
If the link to what you are referring re two members; MI & ISI - I am sorry I couldn't find any reference in the link you provided. Plus, what I wrote above is not based on observation, but from my information.

Maybe it's the fasting effect on me that I couldn't find what you are referring; let me paste your referenced article mentioning the reference to ISI & MI reps in JIT so you can pinpoint towards that. Thanks in advance!

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I wasn't referring specifically to the article, that was just posted to highlight his concerns. This information was relayed on television that "Tariq Shafi was harassed by a tall member of the JIT who had a white beard", "He was continuously called a liar", "He was told off on the way he was dressed", etc.

None of the members of the JIT from civilian institutions are particularly tall or sport a white beard.
 
I wasn't referring specifically to the article, that was just posted to highlight his concerns. This information was relayed on television that "Tariq Shafi was harassed by a tall member of the JIT who had a white beard", "He was continuously called a liar", "He was told off on the way he was dressed", etc.

None of the members of the JIT from civilian institutions are particularly tall or sport a white beard.

Was the same "supposed" concern that was kicked out of the park by the bench saying "they are there for investigation, and you weren't invited to a tea party"

Issue was NOT harassment - TS spoke too much and afterwards best strategy for $harif was to question the tactics (afterthought) to put a veil on what's shared with members. Unfortunately, recordings are there - and if rightful & substantial evidence is there sitting Govt., objections cannot be tossed out like garbage - especially if it's by $harifs.
 
Was the same "supposed" concern that was kicked out of the park by the bench saying "they are there for investigation, and you weren't invited to a tea party"

Issue was NOT harassment - TS spoke too much and afterwards best strategy for $harif was to question the tactics (afterthought) to put a veil on what's shared with members. Unfortunately, recordings are there - and if rightful & substantial evidence is there sitting Govt., objections cannot be tossed out like garbage - especially if it's by $harifs.

Yes it is the same.

Yes your ideas on the matter do and could represent the whole truth on the matter. I think that instead of targeting this or this member of the JIT for their past involvement in this and this investigation, we should instead wait and see what they come up with. So far, their direction has been good and they've been putting in a lot of effort into the whole investigation. Which is why I decided to add to your first point.
 
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