Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[PakSword]

If we are to agree then PMLN would be right on their stance on GodFather part in the Order.

Judges said it right. Limits had been breached and enough was said by PMLN lot. Since it is a fight with judiciary, the judges have made it very clear today that they will put up with no more. And they used the mafia reference from the Order, again rightly so - government is acting like mafia.

Sir,

Mein verdict main inn ki aisee taisee karnay pe yaqeen rakhta hun.. Remarks kuchh nahi kartay siwaey muamlay ko controversial banatay hain. .

Aap ne dekha tha, ke Justice Khosa kafi napay tulay remarks detay thay.. lekin verdict main unhon ne NS aur poori family ki aisi bajai.. ke yeh zindagi bhar yaad rakhain gey..

Sh. Azmat uss waqt bhi remarks main aisa kartay thay, lekin verdict main thuss hogaey..

In the last 48-hours the "kettle" has reached boiling point.
PMLn will try and create more controversies in the coming weeks.
They know that, unless they do it, their game is over.

So far PMLn has moved forward few pawns as sacrificial lambs, but they have been taken out (this includes Pervez Raheed, Tariq Fatimi, Rao Tehseen - and most recently Nihal Hashmi).

The knights (Saad Rafique and Maryam Aurangzeb) and bishops (Ahsan Iqbal) attack from the corners but remain careful that they don't get caught.

NS has managed to save the queen (Maryam Nawaz) so far. In dawn leaks there was a direct attempt to take out queen but NS managed to defend at that time.

This is the best comment so far.. Piyaday (pawn) ke liey Malka (Queen) dao par nahi lagai jaati.. Yehi mera khayal hai, jab main kehta hun ke Panama bench ke judges ko Nihal Hashmi wala case sunna hi nahi chahiey tha.. aur agar sunn lia hai tou remarks nahi dene chahiey thay.. agar Nihal ko jail bhijwadetey, ya ATC refer kardetay, aur yeh bhi keh detey ke hum ne baqi logon ki statements bhi note kar li hain, aur ainda bhi karaingay, aur appropriate time par unn se bhi nimtaingay tou PMLN ke ghubbaray se hawa nikal jati..

We have to understand, PMLN asked Nihal Hashmi to give those threats, they were almost certain ke at least one of the judge will pass such remarks that will give them a chance to make the whole Panama case controversial. aur aisa hi hua..

Judges bhi remarks de kar beth gaey.. Nihal Hashmi ko tou iss waqt tak indict kar ke ATC refer kar dena chahiey tha.. yeh kia baat huee ke apna jawab dakhil karain.. I mean hadd hoti hai..

threats were given to the JIT & the 3 member bench that formed it .... who else was supposed to listen the case ??why is he giving lecture on right & wrong ... he should stick to his job, reporting !!

He is right boss.. Umar Cheema is the only journalist from Pakistan who was involved with ICIJ team. Sometimes, his comments are just rubbish, but this time around, he was right.. Nihal Hashmi hasn't taken any name. He referred to JIT and Judiciary as a whole in his remarks.. There are other cases being heard in other courts against shareefs as well..

So CJ should have heard it himself, or constituted a different "larger" bench..

When Nihal was coming out, there was a certain smile on his face like he was saying "I have done my job effectively, now I will be rewarded by the mafia head".

 

[Shane]

PMLN has developed a cunning strategy of extreme escalation and then immediate compromise on the basis of give some and take some. And thats the game... They give some and take some and simply get away with it every time. They have successfully tried and succeeded, improvised and improved this strategy so much so that they have neutralized even the security establishment of the country using the current geo political situation in their favour. We should be thankful that sanity prevailed on account of Dawn leaks due to an unpopular decision as the other option was simply unfeasible.

What the honorable judge(s) are trying to do is overcome all this using the law to the letter. This mafia has had more than 30 years of corrupt practices to establish its roots and branches in EVERY INSTITUTION. Lets hope the rule of law is established despite the fact that a vast majority of people of Pakistan don't deserve rule of law on merit but may be, just may be, this time around Allah Subhan Taala may shower blessings on this forsaken nation despite everything and after all. Why do i think so poorly of so many? Well, people voted for these thugs, didn't they.

I'm just hopeful that our judiciary takes the slow but steady baby steps and succeeds in establishing the rule of law. In sha Allah, the result will sort everyone out.
If not then it will be business as usual for Qom Mulk Saltanat.

 

[PakSword]

Right .... Justice Khosa & Justice Azmat ... both scenarios are different .... that's y i said "if required"
now there will be a campaign against Justice Azmat by mariyam media cell & they will go to the ends of earth making this bench & JIT controversial

Exactly..

PMLN has developed a cunning strategy of extreme escalation and then immediate compromise on the basis of give some and take some. And thats the game... They give some and take some and simply get away with it every time. They have successfully tried and succeeded, improvised and improved this strategy so much so that they have neutralized even the security establishment of the country using the current geo political situation in their favour. We should be thankful that sanity prevailed on account of Dawn leaks due to an unpopular decision as the other option was simply unfeasible.

What the honorable judge(s) are trying to do is overcome all this using the law to the letter. This mafia has had more than 30 years of corrupt practices to establish its roots and branches in EVERY INSTITUTION. Lets hope the rule of law is established despite the fact that a vast majority of people of Pakistan don't deserve rule of law on merit but may be, just may be, this time around Allah Subhan Taala may shower blessings on this forsaken nation despite everything and after all. Why do i think so poorly of so many? Well, people voted for these thugs, didn't they.

I'm just hopeful that our judiciary takes the slow but steady baby steps and succeeds in establishing the rule of law. In sha Allah, the result will sort everyone out.
If not then it will be business as usual for Qom Mulk Saltanat.

Welcome to the forum and this thread. Good comment..

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Sir,

Mein verdict main inn ki aisee taisee karnay pe yaqeen rakhta hun.. Remarks kuchh nahi kartay siwaey muamlay ko controversial banatay hain. .

Aap ne dekha tha, ke Justice Khosa kafi napay tulay remarks detay thay.. lekin verdict main unhon ne NS aur poori family ki aisi bajai.. ke yeh zindagi bhar yaad rakhain gey..

Sh. Azmat uss waqt bhi remarks main aisa kartay thay, lekin verdict main thuss hogaey..



This is the best comment so far.. Piyaday (pawn) ke liey Malka (Queen) dao par nahi lagai jaati.. Yehi mera khayal hai, jab main kehta hun ke Panama bench ke judges ko Nihal Hashmi wala case sunna hi nahi chahiey tha.. aur agar sunn lia hai tou remarks nahi dene chahiey thay.. agar Nihal ko jail bhijwadetey, ya ATC refer kardetay, aur yeh bhi keh detey ke hum ne baqi logon ki statements bhi note kar li hain, aur ainda bhi karaingay, aur appropriate time par unn se bhi nimtaingay tou PMLN ke ghubbaray se hawa nikal jati..

We have to understand, PMLN asked Nihal Hashmi to give those threats, they were almost certain ke at least one of the judge will pass such remarks that will give them a chance to make the whole Panama case controversial. aur aisa hi hua..

Judges bhi remarks de kar beth gaey.. Nihal Hashmi ko tou iss waqt tak indict kar ke ATC refer kar dena chahiey tha.. yeh kia baat huee ke apna jawab dakhil karain.. I mean hadd hoti hai..



He is right boss.. Umar Cheema is the only journalist from Pakistan who was involved with ICIJ team. Sometimes, his comments are just rubbish, but this time around, he was right.. Nihal Hashmi hasn't taken any name. He referred to JIT and Judiciary as a whole in his remarks.. There are other cases being heard in other courts against shareefs as well..

So CJ should have heard it himself, or constituted a different "larger" bench..

When Nihal was coming out, there was a certain smile on his face like he was saying "I have done my job effectively, now I will be rewarded by the mafia head".

CJ has called the AG in his chamber today (Friday) morning. Let us see what he says to AG.

 

[PakSword]

but it's hard when they and their families are threatened if almost being eliminated. It's a totally altogether different scenario if one faces that reality vs reading.

We were discussing the other day, that an honest person does not fear for his life... but when it comes to his children's lives, or his respect, he just stops and thinks twice before moving further.

They played the same game with IK when he was married. Unfortunately, IK absorbed the shocks, but Jemima couldn't. That time, it was about respect. This time, it is about the children of JIT members and judges..

Lekin aisay logon ke liey isi tarah ki strategy lagani parti hai.. This is what I believe.. Judges ke haath main abhi buhat kuchh hai,, yeh inn ki naslon ki aisee taisee karsaktay hain... through their verdicts.. remarks ki kiya zaroorat hai bhai jan?

 

[war&peace]

Judges said it right. Limits had been breached and enough was said by PMLN lot. Since it is a fight with judiciary, the judges have made it very clear today that they will put up with no more. And they used the mafia reference from the Order, again rightly so - government is acting like mafia.

1000% agreed

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Judges said it right. Limits had been breached and enough was said by PMLN lot. Since it is a fight with judiciary, the judges have made it very clear today that they will put up with no more. And they used the mafia reference from the Order, again rightly so - government is acting like mafia.

That is TRUE sir ... but it has more sentimental value rather than a cool calculated thinking.

The real challenge at this stage is, how to keep the "bubble" intact and not let it burst. This will require very sensitive handling.

On the other hand, PMLn would love to see the fireworks between them and the judiciary. The judiciary has the more difficult task to control the situation and not let it get out of hand.

My feeling is that if the lawyers start a movement at this stage then this could be welcome distraction and PMLn will not be able to fight many fronts.

 

[PakSword]

kuchh justice Sh. Azmat Saeed ke baaray main.. Abb tou mujhay lagta hai ke yeh remarks bhi jaan boojh kar diey gaey hain..

@Farah Sohail @Verve @war&peace @Dil Pakistan @QatariPrince @El_Swordsmen @Realistic Change

 

[war&peace]

That is TRUE sir ... but it has more sentimental value rather than a cool calculated thinking.

The real challenge at this stage is, how to keep the "bubble" intact and not let it burst. This will require very sensitive handling.

On the other hand, PMLn would love to see the fireworks between them and the judiciary. The judiciary has the more difficult task to control the situation and not let it get out of hand.

My feeling is that if the lawyers start a movement at this stage then this could be welcome distraction and PMLn will not be able to fight many fronts.

SC needs to take the stern action otherwise these goons will keep threatening the institutions. We need to understand that what kind of language these bullies understand. They have a history of hooliganism and terrorism. They attacked SC and even removed a sitting chief justice by buying the whole bench so if the SC becomes softer, their dogs of PMLn will bark louder and their tails will get higher. These remarks are excellent by the chief justice and I totally support him and we stand behind the SC of Pakistan. Now they should try each and every person behind this threat by this loser. So I do not agree on softening the stance at all rather these judges should punish him and all other responsible through ATC.

 

[PakSword]

These remarks are excellent by the chief justice and I totally support him and we stand behind the SC of Pakistan.

We are standing behind SC.. but judges could have taken stern action without any remarks..

Don't you think so?

Anyway, now that the remarks are given, as you said, we have to stand with SC no matter what..

 

[war&peace]

We are standing behind SC.. but judges could have taken stern action without any remarks..

Don't you think so?

Anyway, now that the remarks are given, as you said, we have to stand with SC no matter what..

I wish they take more actions than remarks. This holds true for everyone especially for the military command and Justices but if we see these remarks are very mild and natural. They are neither derogatory or threatening so we should not buy into the PMLn's smear camppaign and start chanting along them "Oh these remarks are inappropriate "!!! WTH, get a life people, these are very normal words and justices around the globe use this kind of language especially when they are dealing with the mafia.

 

[Guvera]

Nihal hashmi have all what it takes to be a Rangharr MQM sector/ unit incharge but sadly MQM doesn't exist anymore warna future bright tha hashmi ka

 

[war&peace]

Nihal hashmi have all what it takes to be a Rangharr MQM sector/ unit incharge but sadly MQM doesn't exist anymore warna future bright tha hashmi ka

Don't underestimate PMLn, it has a far more violent mindset than MQM. The only difference is that establishment has a soft corner for PMLn which MQM doesn't enjoy anymore...otherwise, people like Rana Sanaullah have exactly the same mind or even worse as that of any terrorist mastermind and SS and NS are in the league of their own.

 

[Realistic Change]

I wish they take more actions than remarks. This holds true for everyone especially for the military command and Justices but if we see these remarks are very mild and natural. They are neither derogatory or threatening so we should not buy into the PMLn's smear camppaign and start chanting along them "Oh these remarks are inappropriate "!!! WTH, get a life people, these are very normal words and justices around the globe use this kind of language especially when they are dealing with the mafia.

^ Exactly!

There is no Judicial Shaheed - SC's should not play to any lobby's audience and all over the world they give stern remarks, and actions. Nothing new or novel. It does not to be politically correct as well - it just needs to be correct, whether its popular or unpopular action/decision.

What benefit PMLN can get from stern remarks of any judge against Nawaz Sharif? ........ Insaafi Shahadat?!? There is no such thing - even BB could not extract anything when her dismissal was upheld by Court. More the damaging remarks against N $, more difficult it becomes for PMLN to gain lost ground that is why they are reacting. They know the type of damage these remarks are doing to them.

PMLN has very different power grabbing formula and it always involved entire troika with them. PMLN does not yield huge public mobilization power like PTI nowadays or PPP in ZA Bhuttos and BB's days.

The troika they use, is civil administration/bureaucracy, judiciary and military establishment. Army is playing on the back foot and somewhat neutral. PMLN today wants their support and not neutrality, they tried their best through Ch Nisar but it hasn't worked how they wanted. Gen Bajwa has categorically vowed to uphold constitution and carry out directives as prescribed as per constitution in a meeting with $harif this week.

Bureaucracy is still very much in the pocket of PMLN, especially Punjab. Second generation of bureaucrats are with them; one such example is of a close family friends of mine *________ was DC Islamabad during Dharna days and his younger brother *__________ has also always gotten critical postings like in Sialkot and Lahore and their dad was Late *_________ was Principal secretary to Nawaz Sharif, cultured and educated persons but absolute tilt towards Nawaz $harif. This is just to give example how bureaucracy is controlled and how it gets used during elections. If any such DCO and with similar type DPO is posted; even Zamanat of BB from Larkana can be forfeited.

Now we come to Judiciary, in present circumstances any action by Judiciary will be fully supported by mass public opinion as well as will have full military protection however bureaucracy will still behave in the same way as it does in favour of $harifs.

Like today, when Attorney Gen was asked who wrote this anonymous letter, he had no answer, it is not signed off by anyone, and Maryam Aurangzeb is saying its from Spokesperson of Government, and Talal tried to deflect on Musaddiq Malik, and Musaddiq Malik deflected it on Maryam Aurangzeb - it was like a hot potato being passed to one and another. Another misfired missile that was heat seeking and since heat was in PMLN camp it came back and hit its camp - again!

PMLN has always played with troika on their side, $harif cannot be comfortable if they feel any of the arm is not "reporting" to him. That unease always make him rash decisions and perhaps time has come for him to make yet another one!

PMLN had its galleries satisfied like in 1993 when he got reinstated by SCP this is how Reuters ended their story:

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, in dark vest, was returned to power yesterday by the Pakistan Supreme Court. Later, he prayed at the grave of Mohammed Zia ul-Haq, whose conservative legacy he inherited. (Reuters)


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Q1. Let's suppose for one second that $harif's get acquitted in the case, what will be your reaction and how do you see $harif's political career from that point forward?

Q2. If $harif's get disqualified and barred from active politics, then what scenarios do you foresee?


* Had to edit names as I wrote names of my friends without there consent - so I edited it after I got not so friendly email

 

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