Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[Farah Sohail]

Jis verdict ka aap wait kar rahi hain, woh taqeeban 500 pages ka hai..

Waisay @biloo700 nay jo ishaaq dar aur ghareeb captain safdar jo disqualify karwaya hai, uss ki misaal nahi milti. .

Whattt????? 500 pages? Ye kis ne kaha? Itnay pages parhnay main tu poora din lag jayega.. Waisy kaisy keh rahay hain aap ke 500 pages ka verdict hoga?

Biloo bhai is the best.. Kash wohi is bench main..as judge hotay

 

[PakSword]

@Panther 57 @Stealth @The Sandman @Zibago @django

What are your options guys? Please select one option from the below quoted text:

1 - PM is disqualified on 62 and 63, and criminal investigation of money laundering is transferred to a commission with all the powers of NAB/ FBR/ FIA.
2 - PM is suspended, and criminal investigation of money laundering is transferred to a commission with all the powers of NAB/ FBR/ FIA. No mention of 62 and 63, or no declaration.
3 - PM is neither suspended nor disqualified, but is declared dishonest. A criminal investigation of money laundering is transferred to a commission with all the powers of NAB/ FBR/ FIA. Petitioner is asked to contact EC for disqualification.
4 - PM is acquitted on the basis of not enough conclusive evidence. But a criminal investigation of money laundering is transferred to a commission with all the powers of NAB/ FBR/ FIA.
5 - PM is acquitted on the basis of not enough conclusive evidence. No further action is warranted.

Latest position:

Option 1: biloo700, war&peace

Option 2: Arsalan, Dastaan, The Eagle, PakSword

Option 3: Farah Sohail, QatariPrince, Verve, Imad.Khan

Option 4: IceCold, friendly_troll96

Option 5: User

Whattt????? 500 pages? Ye kis ne kaha? Itnay pages parhnay main tu poora din lag jayega.. Waisy kaisy keh rahay hain aap ke 500 pages ka verdict hoga?

Biloo bhai is the best.. Kash wohi is bench main..as judge hotay

Detailed verdicts tou aisay hi hotay hain.. Jabhi tou short faisla pehlay dia jata hai.. Detailed verdicts main saaray law references, etc hotay hain..

 

[Farah Sohail]

@Panther 57 @Stealth @The Sandman @Zibago @django

What are your options guys? Please select one option from the below quoted text:



Latest position:

Option 1: biloo700, war&peace

Option 2: Arsalan, Dastaan, The Eagle, PakSword

Option 3: Farah Sohail, QatariPrince, Verve, Imad.Khan

Option 4: IceCold, friendly_troll96

Option 5: User



Detailed verdicts tou aisay hi hotay hain.. Jabhi tou short faisla pehlay dia jata hai.. Detailed verdicts main saaray law references, etc hotay hain..

Justice khosa ki book main jo detailed verdicts hain..un main max 70 pages ka hai... Ye 500 ka andaza aap ne kaisy lagaa liya?

 

[PakSword]

Justice khosa ki book main jo detailed verdicts hain..un main max 70 pages ka hai... Ye 500 ka andaza aap ne kaisy lagaa liya?

Case main 26000 documents present kiey gaey hain.. Judges apnay judgement ko bharpoor tareeqay se present karaingay..

Khair 500 pages tou exaggeration thi, lekin 100s main pages hongay..

Below site pe detailed judgement upload hoga, once it is approved for publication.

https://pakistanconstitutionlaw.com/detailed-judgment-on-asghar-khan-case/

 

[Farah Sohail]

Case main 26000 documents present kiey gaey hain.. Judges apnay judgement ko bharpoor tareeqay se present karaingay..

Khair 500 pages tou exaggeration thi, lekin 100s main pages hongay..

Below site pe detailed judgement upload hoga, once it is approved for publication.

https://pakistanconstitutionlaw.com/detailed-judgment-on-asghar-khan-case/

Agar itna detailed faisla hua ke pages 100s main huay..,tu matti pao..ya truck ki batti ke peechay wala faisla hoga..? Ke bas baatein hongi...aur faisla kam? Waisy declaration tu honi chahye phir...62/63 par, zuroor

 

[PakSword]

Agar itna detailed faisla hua ke pages 100s main huay..,tu matti pao..ya truck ki batti ke peechay wala faisla hoga..? Ke bas baatein hongi...aur faisla kam? Waisy declaration tu honi chahye phir...62/63 par, zuroor

Nahi aisa nahi hoga.. As I have said, I am going for option 2.. But judges will support this judgement very well in the detailed verdict.. They will not leave a single evidence, or clause of constitution/ law from inclusion, even if it holds little relevance.

Asghar Khan case ka detailed verdict 141 pages ka tha..

Isi liey keh raha hun judges pe thora rehem karain.. @Farah Sohail

 

[Farah Sohail]

Nahi aisa nahi hoga.. As I have said, I am going for option 2.. But judges will support this judgement very well in the detailed verdict.. They will not leave a single evidence, or clause of constitution/ law from inclusion, even if it holds little relevance.

The reason, i didnt choose option 2 is tht..theres no law, which supports suspension... Kis law ke tehet suspend karein ge? Disqualification or declaration on honesty is still possible through 62/63... But koi aisa law nahi hai..jis se woh kahein ke hum PM ko suspend karsaktay hain....If they suspend..it will be based on their subjective opinion, tht we feel, in PM's presence..fair investigation isnt possible..but its not backed by any constituitional article.. And i dont think! Justice khosa will go for tht... Is liye mujhe lagta hai, ke even direct disqualification on basis of 62/63 or declaration is more likely than suspension

Asghar Khan case ka detailed verdict 141 pages ka tha..

Isi liey keh raha hun judges pe thora rehem karain.. @Farah Sohail

Judges bhi hum par thora rehem kar lein aur humaray sabar ka imtehan na lein... aur waisy bhi,,ab tu taqreeban sab log keh rahay hain ke faisla likha jaa chuka hai, tu bas ab sunaa dein

 

[PakSword]

The reason, i didnt choose option 2 is tht..theres no law, which supports suspension... Kis law ke tehet susoend karein ge? Disqualification or declaration on honesty is still possible through 62/63... But koi aisa law nahi hai..jis se woh kahein ke hum PM ko suspend karsaktay hain? If they susoend..it will be based on their subjective opinion, tht we feel, in PM's presence..fair investigation isnt possible.. And i dont think! Justice khosa will go for tht... Is liye mujhe lagta hai, ke even direct disqualification on basis of 62/63 or declaration is more likely than suspension

Justice (R) Wajeehuddin bhi suspension ki baat kartay hain.. Law main yaqeenan kuchh hai jabhi tou aik retired judge baat kar raha hai..

In Asghar Khan case, short order was passed on October 18, and detailed verdict on November 08 or 09.. They took approx 20 days to write detailed judgement.

In this case, they have not passed a short order.. and writing the detailed verdict directly... That's why it is taking long... Anyway, yes you are right ke judgement tou likhi jachuki hai, shayad jumma tak aajaegi mere khayal main in shaa Allah...

 

[Farah Sohail]

Justice (R) Wajeehuddin bhi suspension ki baat kartay hain.. Law main yaqeenan kuchh hai jabhi tou aik retired judge baat kar raha hai..

Woh bhi is basis par baat karrahay thay ke ..judges ne NAB aur doosray instituitions ko jaisy remarks diye hain...so they will say,,,ke fair investigation isnt possible, with Nawaz Sharif as PM.. But i dont think ke koi article, law main aisa hai..jo ye kahay ya isay support karta hai... Its more based on perception ya subjective opinion... I dont think Justice khosa will go for it... Mera khyal hai, ke even direct disqualification through Sc will be mor likely than tht, because it will still have some basis, in form of 62/63 ya declaration on honesty and SC directs EC to do the needful.... Main Justice Khosa ko jitna samjhi hoon, us se tu yehi lagta hai ke direct disqualification will be even more likely than suspension... Lekin main ghalat bhi hosakti hoon

 

[PakSword]

Woh bhi is basis par baat karrahay thay ke ..judges ne NAB aur doosray instituitions ko jaisy remarks diye hain...so they will say,,,ke fair investigation isnt possible, with Nawaz Sharif as PM.. But i dont think ke koi article, law main aisa hai..jo ye kahay ya isay support karta hai... Its more based on perception ya subjective opinion... I dont think Justice khosa will go for it... Mera khyal hai, ke even direct disqualification through Sc will be mor likely than tht, because it will still have some basis, in form of 62/63 ya declaration on honesty and SC directs EC to do the needful.... Main Justice Khosa ko jitna samjhi hoon, us se tu yehi lagta hai ke direct disqualification will be even mor likely than suspension... Lekin main ghalat bhi hosakti hoon

Isi liey goon league NAB chairman se khush nahi hai.. Because he has paved the way for PMs suspension..

62/ 63 ki baat tab aayegi jab yeh sabit hoga ke aaya PM ne jhoot bola ya bachon ne..

Abhi tou yeh soorat e haal hai ke har koi keh raha hai kisi ka moaqif aik doosray se nahi milta.. Iss ka matlab ye nahi hai ke PM jhoota hai.. Hosakta hai PM ne floor pe sach bola ho aur bachay jhootay hon.. isi liey aik independent investigation ki zaroorat hai..

Abhi Qatari ko hi nahi bulwaya gaya in the court, tou Qatari letter can't be accepted to disqualify PM.. very technical, but it is the true application of law..

PM ki statement of jhoota sabit karnay ke liey bachon ki statement ko sach sabit karna hoga, ya kisi doosray evidence se PM ki statement of jhoota sabit karna hoga..

Bachon ki statement ko sach sabit karnay ke liey Qatari ko apnay letter ko court main own karna hoga..

Agar yeh nahi hota tou jin docs ko Maryam ne challenge kia hai, unn ki authenticity check karni hogi...

Upar ke steps of skip kar ke court PM ko jhoota sabit nahi kar sakti.. Jab jhoota sabit nahi karsakti tou there is no chance of article 62 and 63...

Technical, isn't it?

 

[Farah Sohail]

Isi liey goon league NAB chairman se khush nahi hai.. Because he has paved the way for PMs suspension..

62/ 63 ki baat tab aayegi jab yeh sabit hoga ke aaya PM ne jhoot bola ya bachon ne..

Abhi tou yeh soorat e haal hai ke har koi keh raha hai kisi ka moaqif aik doosray se nahi milta.. Iss ka matlab ye nahi hai ke PM jhoota hai.. Hosakta hai PM ne floor pe sach bola ho aur bachay jhootay hon.. isi liey aik independent investigation ki zaroorat hai..

Abhi Qatari ko hi nahi bulwaya gaya in the court, tou Qatari letter can't be accepted to disqualify PM.. very technical, but it is the true application of law..

PM ki statement of jhoota sabit karnay ke liey bachon ki statement ko sach sabit karna hoga, ya kisi doosray evidence se PM ki statement of jhoota sabit karna hoga..

Bachon ki statement ko sach sabit karnay ke liey Qatari ko apnay letter ko court main own karna hoga..

Agar yeh nahi hota tou jin docs ko Maryam ne challenge kia hai, unn ki authenticity check karni hogi...

Upar ke steps of skip kar ke court PM ko jhoota sabit nahi kar sakti.. Jab jhoota sabit nahi karsakti tou there is no change of article 62 and 63...

Technical, isn't it?

Justice Khosa ne ye bhi tu kaha tha ke daada dunya main nahi hai, kulsoom nawaz ghareloo khatoon hain...bachon ki kamayi ka zarya nahi tha..aisy main tu ek hi insan bachta hai? Aur PM ki khud ki apni 2 speeches bhi nahi miltein aapis main... Aur court ko documents provide na karna bhi..admission of guilt hai... Justice khosa ne ye bhi kaha tha ke PM ne kaha tha zindagi khuli kitaab hai, lekin is kitaab ke safhaat ghayb hain... Justice ijazul ahsan nr kaha tha ke gifts se lagta hai ke Maryam is dependent on Nawaz Sharif... Pakora judge ne ye bhi kaha tha...ke agar ye log documents provide na karsakay tu Naeem bukhari ki baat maanni paray gi... Pakora judge ne ye bhi kaha tha ke hum ek PM ko farigh karsaktay hain tu doosre ko bhi karsaktay hain...pakora judge ne kaha tha..ke agar hum ne taqreero ko na maana ya ghour na kia, tu gunah karein ge....Aur sab se barh kar Justice Khosa khud keh chukay hain ke hum 62/63 par declaration de saktay hain... Honesty/dishonesty tu 62/63 ki basis banti hai..lekin mujhe suspension ki constitutional basis nazar nahi aati...

 

[django]

@Panther 57 @Stealth @The Sandman @Zibago @django

What are your options guys? Please select one option from the below quoted text:



Latest position:

Option 1: biloo700, war&peace

Option 2: Arsalan, Dastaan, The Eagle, PakSword

Option 3: Farah Sohail, QatariPrince, Verve, Imad.Khan

Option 4: IceCold, friendly_troll96

Option 5: User



Detailed verdicts tou aisay hi hotay hain.. Jabhi tou short faisla pehlay dia jata hai.. Detailed verdicts main saaray law references, etc hotay hain..

Option 2, though I suspect option 3 is the most likely scenario.Kudos bhai

 

[PakSword]

Justice Khosa ne ye bhi tu kaha tha ke daada dunya main nahi hai, kulsoom nawaz ghareloo khatoon hain...bachon ki kamayi ka zarya nahi tha..aisy main tu ek hi insan bachta hai? Aur PM ki khud ki apni 2 speeches bhi nahi miltein aapis main... Aur court ko documents provide na karna bhi..admission of guilt hai... Justice khosa ne ye bhi kaha tha ke PM ne kaha tha zindagi khuli kitaab hai, lekin is kitaab ke safhaat ghayb hain... Justice ijazul ahsan nr kaha tha ke gifts se lagta hai ke Maryam is dependent on Nawaz Sharif... Pakora judge ne ye bhi kaha tha...ke agar ye log documents provide na karsakay tu Naeem bukhari ki baat maanni paray gi... Pakora judge ne ye bhi kaha tha ke hum ek PM ko farigh karsaktay hain tu doosre ko bhi karsaktay hain...pakora judge ne kaha tha..ke agar hum ne taqreero ko na maana ya ghour na kia, tu gunah karein ge....Aur sab se barh kar Justice Khosa khud keh chukay hain ke hum 62/63 par declaration de saktay hain... Honesty/dishonesty tu 62/63 ki basis banti hai..lekin mujhe suspension ki constitutional basis nazar nahi aati...

Don't take Judges remarks too seriously..

Justice Khosa ne yeh bhi kaha tha ke 99% documents admissible nahi hain..

Aik public office holder ki suspension bilkul hosakti hai aur aisi kafi misaalain mojud hain..

Waisay tou baghair evidence record karaey, disqualification bhi nahi hosakti?

1 - PM is disqualified on 62 and 63, and criminal investigation of money laundering is transferred to a commission with all the powers of NAB/ FBR/ FIA.
2 - PM is suspended, and criminal investigation of money laundering is transferred to a commission with all the powers of NAB/ FBR/ FIA. No mention of 62 and 63, or no declaration.
3 - PM is neither suspended nor disqualified, but is declared dishonest. A criminal investigation of money laundering is transferred to a commission with all the powers of NAB/ FBR/ FIA. Petitioner is asked to contact EC for disqualification.
4 - PM is acquitted on the basis of not enough conclusive evidence. But a criminal investigation of money laundering is transferred to a commission with all the powers of NAB/ FBR/ FIA.
5 - PM is acquitted on the basis of not enough conclusive evidence. No further action is warranted.

Latest position:

Option 1: biloo700, war&peace

Option 2: Arsalan, Dastaan, The Eagle, PakSword, django

Option 3: Farah Sohail, QatariPrince, Verve, Imad.Khan

Option 4: IceCold, friendly_troll96

Option 5: User

 

[The Sandman]

@Panther 57 @Stealth @The Sandman @Zibago @django

What are your options guys? Please select one option from the below quoted text:

Option no.1 he should be disqualified.

 

[PakSword]

@Farah Sohail

Actually, I don't know why chairman NAB gave this statement about regulator in the court.. FBR chairman acted decently when he said that he would do the investigation.. But Chairman NAB excused from investigating anything without the "regulator's" instructions.. I mean can you imagine a chairman giving this statement, and that too in SC? lollll

You know, if chairman NAB sirf itna kehdeta ke uss se delay zaroor huee hai, aur woh court se muafi mangta hai idaray ki janib se, aur woh investigation start kar raha hai, tou court ke paas koi reason hi nahi bachta tha PM ko suspend karnay ka..

Aur yehi shareef khandaan chahta tha.. but chairman NAB ne tou waat lagadi.. lolll. Shareef khandaan yeh samajh raha hai ke chairman NAB ne establishment ke kehnay pe yeh kia hai... Lekin establishment tou baqol Arshad Shareef, nooron ke saath hai?

Option no.1 he should be disqualified.

Not "should be", what is your opinion what will happen after reading judges remarks, quality of evidences etc etc?