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Chalein chorein....jaanay dein......Allah Mian sb ko zinda salaamat rakhay....beshak jail main zinda rakhay lekin Mian Sb ko Allah lambi zindagi dey... Aap jo Mian sb se chah rahay hian..ye tu phir zinda kaisy rahein ge?

ROFL - you mean Mian speaks Jhoot first then saans- totally agree with his this physiological disorder!
 
Barrister said this 3 member bench will give decision and Khosa and Gulzar kay decision count nahi hon gay

Rauf Klasra: Yea law parha hai inhon nay. In ko pata hi nahi kay 20 Apr ko Order of the Court tha, Judgement nahi th.i In ki batton say tu lagta hai in ko basic law ka hi nahi pata aur wo expert banay bethy hain and so on.

20:00 onwards

The first page (after the case details) starts with: JUDGEMENT. In any case, the judge said this was an "uboori hukum, faisa ab hoga." This is the same petition that was being heard by a five member bench. It is not a new petition. The judgement has to come from a five-member bench. If the new judgement is from 3 judges, and it's 2-1 in favour of Nawaz Sharif, hell will break lose because 3 of the 5 judges hearing the petition think Nawaz must be removed.

Judgments and orders are terms that are very different in terms of meaning. In court, a judgment is a decision with finality in which a court has issued to end, close, or clear a lawsuit or prosecution. It is the last segment of an ordinary court case. Judgments thus create resolutions for controversies and determine what each party or side is obligated to do (pay charges, be imprisoned, or be cleared from all charges). These obligations are part of the content stated within the judgment. Other statements within the judgment are the telling of the winning party and injunctive relief among others. Unlike court orders, judgments usually follow a format.

After all fact presentations, evidence gatherings, thorough interrogations and fault finding mechanisms have all been exhausted, the court is then bound to seal it all with a final verdict. Judgments formally end the court’s hold of the case. It is the result of an adjudication (balancing evidences).

On the other hand, the court judge is the one who proclaims a court order. This actually tells the legal connection between the involved parties to a court case. It may also dictate what measures each or all sides must do with regard to the case. A common example of such is a temporary restraining order or TRO. Ideally, it is just the judge who is going to sign the written order but in some areas, a notarization of the order is also mandatory. Unlike judgments, the judge may just verbally state his orders in the court, which will be transcribed later in by the stenographer in some occasions.

By a majority of 3 to 2 (Asif Saeed Khan Khosa and Gulzar Ahmed, JJ) dissenting
Looking at the wording of the order of court, it wasn't the two judges that dissented, the other 3--the majority dissented by not agreeing with the original judgement. If even one of them agrees with the original judgement, it's game over.
 
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Barrister said this 3 member bench will give decision and Khosa and Gulzar kay decision count nahi hon gay

Rauf Klasra: Yea law parha hai inhon nay. In ko pata hi nahi kay 20 Apr ko Order of the Court tha, Judgement nahi th.i In ki batton say tu lagta hai in ko basic law ka hi nahi pata aur wo expert banay bethy hain and so on.

20:00 onwards


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HAHAHAHAH

جلد 10 میں کوئی قابل اعتراض بات نہیں،خواجہ حارث
klasra ka dehati style hai or dosri baat us ki asma jahangir sai bi larai hai is liye shayd....
 
I have been reading and listening to law experts but some seem to be clueless. I am not a law student, but an avid reader. Here is what I have found.

The Judgement has been given by Justice Asif Khosa. That is why his declaration starts with the heading "judgement." The others have made declarations. The order of the court says:
By a majority of 3 to 2 (Asif Saeed Khan Khosa and GulzarAhmed, JJ) dissenting, who have given separate declarations anddirections

If you notice the brackets, it means the that the majority has dissented. It should read "By a majority of 3 to 2 dissenting, who have given separate declarations and directions." The majority wants further investigation. If ANY one the three judges after reviewing new evidence is to agree with the original judgement, the judgement will be final.
 
Nawaz $harif nomination papers has an illegible stamp of work visa on his passport, but not in mandatory Election Commision of Pakistan's wealth statement 2013/14.

EC form 21 has section specifically for foreign business.

Mian Sb Jaan Do, Jhoot Aur Faraib Chor Do

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You are right- no content in itself.

But questions based on credible info ticking time. For example: Requesting more info on accounts in Swiss banks, or asking about particular business' name in CAS...etc

Where in assets FZE was declared by N$, seems repeat performances of stage actors is not going too far.

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i really want SC to accept these docs. & held another proceeding .... us main ye log aik dafa phirse zaleel hoon .... pata nahi kiya gathiya log chipak gai hain is mulk ko
 
AJ pid ka scene daikha?

Ohh yes.. Maza aagaya..

Chalein chorein....jaanay dein......Allah Mian sb ko zinda salaamat rakhay....beshak jail main zinda rakhay lekin Mian Sb ko Allah lambi zindagi dey... Aap jo Mian sb se chah rahay hian..ye tu phir zinda kaisy rahein ge?

:lol:

According to Farogh Nassem PM's counsel Khawaja Haris today has submitted written submissions most probably with the permission of the court. He thinks the court on Friday directed all the parties to submit written submissions if they feel necessary. Farogh Naseem argues written submissions can be submitted even if the verdict has been reserved.

So I guess we have these submissions on record now. Petitioners should rebut NS's submission through their own written submissions.

@Farah Sohail @PakSword



From 10:30

Watched it.. A lot of confusion has been cleared..
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Ch. Nisat kal press conference karega ya mazeed blackmail karega?

Aap sab ki kia raey hai?
 
Watched it.. A lot of confusion has been cleared..

Regd written submissions..i dont think Farogh Naseem's analysis is correct because its his assumption tht probably SC said tht parties can submit their written responses..but tht is not correct.. Infact when Kh Haris wanted to submit docs on last day..he wasnt allowed by SC.. So i dont think these docs will be entertained by SC..

Anyways.. Kal subah Nihal Hashmi ke case ki hearing yehi bench karraha hai..kis iska koi zikr karein ge judges...kia khyal hai?

Ch. Nisat kal press conference karega ya mazeed blackmail karega?

Aap sab ki kia raey hai?

Ch Ghulam Hussain kuch aisa keh rahay thay ke shayad Ch Nisar kal pressconference main idhar udhar ki baatein kar ke..NS ki tareefein kar ke..phir kahay ga ke meri kamar main takleef hai..mujhe treatment ki zuroorat hai.. Main iske liye bahar jaa raha hun

Is tarah scene se out..

Mujhe lagta hai ke shayad aisa hi hoga
 
Regd written submissions..i dont think Farogh Naseem's analysis is correct because its his assumption tht probably SC said tht parties can submit their written responses..but tht is not correct.. Infact when Kh Haris wanted to submit docs on last day..he wasnt allowed by SC.. So i dont think these docs will be entertained by SC..

Anyways.. Kal subah Nihal Hashmi ke case ki hearing yehi bench karraha hai..kis iska koi zikr karein ge judges...kia khyal hai?

Merey khayaal main SC ne yeh docs le liey hain.. lekin shayad consider na karay..

Khair, kafi ziads cheezain hain.. abhi 2 hours back main hisaab laga raha tha ke kia kia miaan saanp ke khilaaf jaraha hai, tou kafi kuchh hai...

Bass Justice Aijaz ul Ahsan pichli baar ki tarah na karain tou yeh gaya at least 21 saal ke liey..

Yousuf Raza Gillani letter na likhnay par 5 saal ke liey gaya tha.. tou iss ka tou kam se kam 21 saal banta hai..

Ch Ghulam Hussain kuch aisa keh rahay thay ke shayad Ch Nisar kal pressconference main idhar udhar ki baatein kar ke..NS ki tareefein kar ke..phir kahay ga ke meri kamar main takleef hai..mujhe treatment ki zuroorat hai.. Main iske liye bahar jaa raha hun

Is tarah scene se out..

Mujhe lagta hai ke shayad aisa hi hoga

Mujhay lagta tha ke yeh thora sudhar gaya hai.. lekin nahi.. mera andesha iss ke baaray main hamesha ghalat raha hai..

By the way, aaj Arshad Shareef iss baat ki taraf ishara kar raha tha ke Mian saanp ki degree 17 years ki umar main hasil ki gaee.. iss par tou 12 members ki JIT bethni chahiey..
 
Merey khayaal main SC ne yeh docs le liey hain.. lekin shayad consider na karay..

Khair, kafi ziads cheezain hain.. abhi 2 hours back main hisaab laga raha tha ke kia kia miaan saanp ke khilaaf jaraha hai, tou kafi kuchh hai...

Bass Justice Aijaz ul Ahsan pichli baar ki tarah na karain tou yeh gaya at least 21 saal ke liey..

Yousuf Raza Gillani letter na likhnay par 5 saal ke liey gaya tha.. tou iss ka tou kam se kam 21 saal banta hai..

Waqayi Mian sb ke against bhtt cheezn jaa rahi hain.. Infact saari hi unke against hai.. Koi ek bhi cheez favor main nahi.. Aur dossri baat ye ke SC ne overall picture dekhni hai, disqualification ke liye.. Details tu trial court dekhay gi..lekin SC ne overall picture dekhni hai ke Mian sb ne sach bola hai ya jhoot? A tu qatari khat bhi jhoot sabit hochuka hai, t mian sb ke pass kuch nahi raha...

Also, now 99.99% legal experts belive ke final verdict Justice Khosa hi announce karein ge aur 2 judges ka verdict count hoga.. Confusion sirf is cheez main hai ke Justice Khosa aur Gulzar additional verdict de saktay hian, based on JIT report ya nahi? But this is almost confirm ke unka verdict count horaha hai.. Phir I am sure , ke NS disqualify horaha hai InshaAllah.. Justice Ijazul Ahsan InshaAllah zuroor disqualify kar dein ge.. Mujhe ab poora yaqeen hai
 
Waqayi Mian sb ke against bhtt cheezn jaa rahi hain.. Infact saari hi unke against hai.. Koi ek bhi cheez favor main nahi.. Aur dossri baat ye ke SC ne overall picture dekhni hai, disqualification ke liye.. Details tu trial court dekhay gi..lekin SC ne overall picture dekhni hai ke Mian sb ne sach bola hai ya jhoot? A tu qatari khat bhi jhoot sabit hochuka hai, t mian sb ke pass kuch nahi raha...

Also, now 99.99% legal experts belive ke final verdict Justice Khosa hi announce karein ge aur 2 judges ka verdict count hoga.. Confusion sirf is cheez main hai ke Justice Khosa aur Gulzar additional verdict de saktay hian, based on JIT report ya nahi? But this is almost confirm ke unka verdict count horaha hai.. Phir I am sure , ke NS disqualify horaha hai InshaAllah.. Justice Ijazul Ahsan InshaAllah zuroor disqualify kar dein ge.. Mujhe ab poora yaqeen hai

I think I'll be sad for you more if he is not disqualified as you have pinned your hopes emphatically. :D

As for the submissions today, nothing more than a shararat from PMLN to create false hype infront of its electrotate. They did that before every document and it turned out to be rubbish. So I am not worried even if the court accepts it.
 
Waqayi Mian sb ke against bhtt cheezn jaa rahi hain.. Infact saari hi unke against hai.. Koi ek bhi cheez favor main nahi.. Aur dossri baat ye ke SC ne overall picture dekhni hai, disqualification ke liye.. Details tu trial court dekhay gi..lekin SC ne overall picture dekhni hai ke Mian sb ne sach bola hai ya jhoot? A tu qatari khat bhi jhoot sabit hochuka hai, t mian sb ke pass kuch nahi raha...

Also, now 99.99% legal experts belive ke final verdict Justice Khosa hi announce karein ge aur 2 judges ka verdict count hoga.. Confusion sirf is cheez main hai ke Justice Khosa aur Gulzar additional verdict de saktay hian, based on JIT report ya nahi? But this is almost confirm ke unka verdict count horaha hai.. Phir I am sure , ke NS disqualify horaha hai InshaAllah.. Justice Ijazul Ahsan InshaAllah zuroor disqualify kar dein ge.. Mujhe ab poora yaqeen hai

My analysis, based on the text in verdict is that disqualification ka matter 5 member bench dekhay gi, aur criminal cases on NS and other implementation bench..
 
My analysis, based on the text in verdict is that disqualification ka matter 5 member bench dekhay gi, aur criminal cases on NS and other implementation bench..

Aur agar Ishaq Dar aur Captain safdar ki disqualification bhi ban rahi ho..tu phir kon sa bench dekhay ga?

Waisy mujhe tu lagta hai ke NS ki disqualification aur criminal cases..dono hi ek hi bench ko verdict dena chahye...

Anyways.. Even if ur argument abt disqualification and criminal cases is correct.. Phir bhi NS tu disqualify ho hi raha hai, InshaAllah.. We need just one more vote for disqualification, and i am almost sure Justice Ijazul Ahsan will disqualify NS
 
Aur agar Ishaq Dar aur Captain safdar ki disqualification bhi ban rahi ho..tu phir kon sa bench dekhay ga?

Inn ki nahi ban sakti DQ... inn ka case refer hoga trial court.

Specially after submission of 35 years forged tax record.
 
I think I'll be sad for you more if he is not disqualified as you have pinned your hopes emphatically. :D

As for the submissions today, nothing more than a shararat from PMLN to create false hype infront of its electrotate. They did that before every document and it turned out to be rubbish. So I am not worried even if the court accepts it.

@ red.. :lol:

I am almost sure tht InshaAllah NS will be disqualified...i am pinning my hopes on Justice Ijazul Ahsan, based on his previous verdict and his recent remarks..

Waisy agar NS disqualify na hua, tu mera personally bhi nuqsan hoga :lol: I have done a deal with my chacha .. He was sure ke NS ko kuch nahi hoga.. SC main itni himmat nahi ke usay disqualify karay.. And i am very confident tht he will be disqualified .. So we have done a deal.. If NS gets disqualified..he will give me a treat, any where i want.:lol: and if NS doesnt get disqualified tu mujhe deni paray gi :( :(

Inn ki nahi ban sakti DQ... inn ka case refer hoga trial court.

Specially after submission of 35 years forged tax record.

Captain safdar ki tu banti hai...after Maryam Nawaz is proven beneficial owner

Ishaq Dar ka tax record bhi forged hoga..tu usay accept nahi kiya ga... Anways..abt Ishaq Dar..even i am not sure.. I think u r right..probably uska case trial court jayega
 
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