Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[IceCold]

Yes indeed, it is now suddenly about the value of apartments since the appeals, lol.

Typical Sharif mentality to save even the proverbial "Chaddi" if possible lol, the typical mantra of every looters and plunderers:

"CHAMRI" JA'AY PAR "DAMRI" NA JA'AY

All this will achieve at best is that High court will suspend the paying of those millions fined on the Corrupt Baap Baiti, lol.

And the Noony Toons are made to believe by the blood sucking Lawyer, Khwaja Harris that he will get their leadership off the hook from jail terms? Lol ...

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Typical, run of the mill "churan" and "manjan" selling program by the three writers on current affairs. They are always hell bent on speaking their sarcastic minds on every issue regardless of availability of substance or relevance.

Some of their non-masala programs like on education and human rights subjects are good but current affairs is just them vomiting every fashionably anti establishment thought that comes to mind regardless of evidence and facts to the contrary.

@Arsalan @PakSword @Farah Sohail @The Accountant @tps77 @BHarwana @Zibago @IceCold @django @Ali Tariq and respected posters...

What do you think about my assessment above that not having apartments valued that All this will achieve at best is that High court will suspend the paying of those millions fined on the Corrupt Baap Baiti, lol.

Thanks for the tag. Not really following the trail of NS as these days I am more interested in moving forward specially now that IK is at the helm. However whenever i see people like Hamid Mir, Abdul Maalik talking about the case, it gives an impression that Judge Muhammad Bashir gave a very weak verdict and things were left out in the decision whether deliberately or on merit which makes the case very weak.

 

[Shane]

Thanks for the tag. Not really following the trail of NS as these days I am more interested in moving forward specially now that IK is at the helm. However whenever i see people like Hamid Mir, Abdul Maalik talking about the case, it gives an impression that Judge Muhammad Bashir gave a very weak verdict and things were left out in the decision whether deliberately or on merit which makes the case very weak.

So was I doing the same but then I realized that the hostile undertone of Geo, Anchors in general and politicians in particular against the vision of IK is due to the possibility that Sharifs get off the hook somehow to turn the tables on PTI along with PPP and others in crosshairs of accountability .

Pakistan can only move forward with single minded concentration on development and progress if our bureaucrats and "pseudo intellectuals deceiving general public daily on Tele" for their corrupt masters, witness the complete demise of both corrupt families asap.

it gives an impression that Judge Muhammad Bashir gave a very weak verdict and things were left out in the decision whether deliberately or on merit which makes the case very weak.

Not exactly the verdict was weak but the "cunning inclusion" of the "corruption count" in the apartment reference by former Chairman NAB is what made the reference weak as it was not the actual corruption in a project but it's ill gotten fruits as in previously hidden and unaccounted for, baynamidar properties that were caught due to Panama leaks.

It's a fact that assets beyond means or without any money trail kept baynamidar by any public office holder or government servant, is considered punishable corruption according to our NAB law ( and the same is accepted as worldwide norm too).

This was such a case as above and not a specific corruption count in a project but still Qamar Zaman Chaudhry cunningly included it in reference that NAB couldn't prove obviously.

 

[IceCold]

This was such a case as above and not a specific corruption count in a project but still Qamar Zaman Chaudhry cunningly included it in reference that NAB couldn't prove obviously.

So what are the repercussions of this going to be? As you mentioned earlier High court removing the penalties? In that case Pakistani coffers would receive nothing something needed badly at this time?

 

[Shane]

However, the second count of baynamidar properties is water tight and that's what got Nawaz Punished for 10 years. Maryam got 7 for committing forgery and abetted her father in concealing it.

The lack of official value of apartments may just get them suspension of monetary fine but not the actual jail term...in sha Allah Subhan Taala.

So what are the repercussions of this going to be? As you mentioned earlier High court removing the penalties? In that case Pakistani coffers would receive nothing something needed badly at this time?

There is always the SCP appeal after high court as explained earlier in the following post...

What a MakafateAmal it can become even now if High court or Supreme Court decides to even entail in its final verdict that the apartment be reassessed and valued at current market price and then the maximum fine possible is set as the fine on the Corrupt baynamidar Baap.

Wow @Tameem ! What a blessing in disguise that Khwaja Haris the most intelligent blood sucking Lawyer, has raised the issue of Apartments missing Official Value, lol .

 

[IceCold]

However, the second count of baynamidar properties is water tight and that's what got Nawaz Punished for 10 years. Maryam got 7 for committing forgery and abetted her father in concealing it.

The lack of official value of apartments may just get them suspension of monetary fine but not the actual jail term...in sha Allah Subhan Taala.



There is always the SCP appeal after high court as explained earlier in the following post...

Provided if the NAB prosecutor plays it right. Harris is a devil, a cunning lawyer hell bent on proving it otherwise.
Other than that even if the monetary fine gets rejected, i would still be happy if the jail term remains the same. This way they will continue to rot even without the fine.

PS i think PTI government should make it clear to PML that if they continue to create problems for PTI, than PTI will make life living hell for Nawaz and Mariyum in jail. How about that for a card to play?
And while i am saying this do you think the punjab government thinking on similar lines and that is why they let them out on parole with a clear understanding behind doors?

 

[Zibago]

NAB moves SC to stop IHC from hearing Sharif family petition for suspension of Avenfield verdict
Haseeb BhattiSeptember 15, 2018
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The National Accountability Bureau (NAB) on Saturday knocked on the Supreme Court's door in an effort to keep the Islamabad High Court (IHC) from ruling on an application from the Nawaz family seeking the suspension of the Avenfield verdict.

Nawaz Sharif, his daughter Maryam Nawaz and son-in-law retired Captain Mohammad Safdar had moved the IHC to suspend the verdict in the Avenfields properties reference after they were convicted by Accountability Court Judge Mohammad Bashir on July 6, 2018.

The accountability court had sentenced Nawaz to 10 years in prison, Maryam to seven years and handed a one-year sentence to Captain Safdar.

According to a petition submitted in court by NAB Chairman Javed Iqbal, the high court did not send NAB a notice before accepting the Sharif family's petition for hearing.

"The high court cannot rule on the Sharif family's petition without listening to NAB's perspective," the petition said.

Furthermore, the NAB chief said in his petition that ruling on the suspension application is not in the high court's jurisdiction and thus the IHC should be stopped from hearing the petition at all

 

[Tameem]

NAB moves SC to stop IHC from hearing Sharif family petition for suspension of Avenfield verdict
Haseeb BhattiSeptember 15, 2018
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The National Accountability Bureau (NAB) on Saturday knocked on the Supreme Court's door in an effort to keep the Islamabad High Court (IHC) from ruling on an application from the Nawaz family seeking the suspension of the Avenfield verdict.

Nawaz Sharif, his daughter Maryam Nawaz and son-in-law retired Captain Mohammad Safdar had moved the IHC to suspend the verdict in the Avenfields properties reference after they were convicted by Accountability Court Judge Mohammad Bashir on July 6, 2018.

The accountability court had sentenced Nawaz to 10 years in prison, Maryam to seven years and handed a one-year sentence to Captain Safdar.

According to a petition submitted in court by NAB Chairman Javed Iqbal, the high court did not send NAB a notice before accepting the Sharif family's petition for hearing.

"The high court cannot rule on the Sharif family's petition without listening to NAB's perspective," the petition said.

Furthermore, the NAB chief said in his petition that ruling on the suspension application is not in the high court's jurisdiction and thus the IHC should be stopped from hearing the petition at all

NAB Awarded Rs. 20,000 Fine on this petition.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1041875543367581696

https://twitter.com/x/status/1042020386446159872

 

[fatman17]

NAB has truly screwed up this case in IHC. Expect the convicts to be released.

 

[AZ1]

So its true no permanent solution for corrupt ppl. They will keep coming back even after 2 year trial and at the end released after 2-3 month from jail.

 

[Zibago]

NAB has truly screwed up this case in IHC. Expect the convicts to be released.

The magic word is forgery rest can be challenged in SC
They know their goose is cooked for good

 

[Tameem]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1042326221722406912

 

[Zibago]

نواز شریف، مریم اور صفدر کی سزا معطلی کیس کا فیصلہ آج سنائے جانے کا امکان

• 19 Sep 2018
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سابق وزیر اعظم نواز شریف ،ان کی صاحبزادی مریم اورداماد کیپم ریٹائر صفدرکی سزا معطلی کیس کا فیصلہ آج سنائے جانے کا امکان ہے ۔

تفصیلات کے مطابق نوازشریف،مریم نواز،اورکیپٹن صفدرکی سزامعطلی کی درخواستوں پرسماعت اسلام آباد ہائی کورٹ میں جسٹس اطہرمن اللہ اورجسٹس میاں گل حسن اورنگزیب پر مشتمل 2 رکنی پینچ کر رہا ہے اس موقع پر کمرہ عدال میں تل دھرنے کی گکہ نہیں ہے۔

خیال رہے کہ عدالت نےنیب پراسیکیوٹرکوآج دلائل مکمل کرنےکی ہدایت کررکھی ہے ۔

نیب پراسیکیوٹرمحمداکرم قریشی نےدلائل دیتے ہوئے کہاکہ درخواست گزاروں کاموقف ہےگلف اسٹیل کے75فیصد شیئرزفروخت کیے،1980میں باقی25فیصدشوفروختیئرزبھی فروخت کردیئےگئے ،25فیصدشیئرزک کرنےکی رقم12ملین درہم ریکارڈپرہے کہتےہیں طارق شفیع نےجو رقم لی تھی وہ قطری کودے دی، قطری نےوہ رقم لندن فلیٹس میں انویسٹ کی، یہ وہ منی ٹریل ہےجو انہوں نےپیش کی ہے رقم کس اکاؤنٹ میں منتقل ہوئی اس کاکوئی ریکارڈنہیں ۔

اکرم قریشی نے معزز عدالت کو بتایا کہ یواےای حکام سےرابطہ کیاکیا،یو اےای حکام نےبتایاہمارےہاں ایساکوئی معاہدہ رجسٹرڈنہیں۔ جسپر عدالت نے استفسار کیاکہ یہ کمپنی گلف اسٹیل وہاں پرموجود تھی؟ جس پر پراسیکیوٹرنیب نے بتایا کہ کمپنی توموجود تھی

عدالت نے سوال کیاکہ اسٹیل مل کوکون دیکھتاتھااس سےجےآئی ٹی نےکوئی تحقیقات کی؟ جس پراکرم قریشی نے بتایا کہ یواے ای حکومت سےاس حوالےسےرابطہ کیا گیا۔

جس کے بعدپراسیکیوٹرنیب نےیواے ای حکام کولکھاگیاایم ایل اےعدالت میں پڑھ کرسنایا اورایم ایل اےکاجواب بھی عدالت میں پڑھ کرسنایاگیا ۔

پراسیکیوٹرنیب نے مزید بتایا کہ یواے ای حکام نےجواب دیاایسا کوئی معاہدہ موجودنہیں، رقوم کی منتقلی کابھی کوئی ریکارڈموجود نہیں،اسکریپ مشینری دبئی سےجدہ بھیجنےکابھی کوئی ریکارڈ نہیں،ہم نےملزمان سےپوچھا آمدن کےذرائع کیا ہیں۔

جسٹس میاں گل حسن نے کہاکہ دفاع نےسپریم کورٹ میں سی ایم ایزجمع کرائی تھیں جس پر پراسیکیوٹرنیب نے بتایا کہ ملزمان نےوہ سی ایم ایزہمارےپاس بھی جمع کرائی تھیں ۔ جس پر عدالت نے استفسار کیاکہ ہم کون؟کس کےپاس دستاویزات جمع کرائی گئی تھیں۔پراسیکیوٹر نیب نے کہاکہ جےآئی ٹی کےپاس سی ایم ایزجمع کرائی گئیں۔

عدالت کاپراسیکیوٹرنیب سےمکالمہ

عدالت نے ریماکس دیئے کہ آپ جےآئی ٹی نہیں،اس بات کوسمجھ لیں جس پر پراسیکیوٹر نیب نے کہاکہ نیب دوسرےکی تحقیقات پربھی ریلائےکرسکتاہے،یہ کہناان کی آمدن ریکارڈپرنہیں تو یہ درست نہیں،انہوں نے12ملین درہم اپنی آمدن بتائی،1980کامعاہدہ جعلی نکلا حمدبن جاسم کہتے ہیں جنہیں رقم دی گئی ۔

جس پر جسٹس اطہرمن اللہ نے استفسار کیاکہ حمد بن جاسم قطری ہے؟ نیب پراسیکیوٹر نے کہاکہ جی حمدبن جاسم قطری ہے،قطری کوشامل تفتیش ہونےکےلیےمتعدد خط لکھے۔

عدالت نےاستفسار کیا کہ آپ کہتےہیں بزنس طارق شفیع نےبنایا، اکرم قریشی نے کہاکہ جی اس نےبنایااورطارق شفیع وہ کاروباربنایا، عدالت طارق شفیع نے19سال کی عمرمیں اتناکاروبار کیسےبنالیا؟ عدالت نے ریماکس دیئے کہ سپریم کورٹ کےمطابق طارق شفیع کی عمر1980میں19سال تھی،عدالت آپ کی تحقیقات کی بنیادپرنوازشریف کا پراپرٹیزسےتعلق نہیں بن رہا،پھرہم کس طرح فرض کرلیں یہ پراپرٹیزنواز شریف کی ہیں، دوردورتک نوازشریف کاان پراپرٹیزسےکوئی تعلق نظرنہیں آرہا۔ جس پر نیب پراسٹیکیوٹر اکرم قریشی نے کہاکہ توملزمان عدالت میں کچھ ثبوت لےآتے یہ کس کےہیں ۔



گزشتہ روز سماعت کے بعد اسلام آباد ہائیکورٹ کے جج جسٹس اطہر من اللہ نے تحریری حکم جاری کیا کہ اگر شریف فیملی کی سزا معطلی کی درخواستوں پر نیب پراسیکیوٹر کے دلائل کل یعنی آج(19 ستمبر کو) آدھے گھنٹے میں مکمل نہ بھی ہوئے تو فیصلہ سنا دیا جائے گا۔اور اب آج اسلام آباد ہائیکورٹ ان درخواستوں پر ساتویں سماعت کے بعد فیصلہ سنانے جا رہی ہے۔

یاد رہے کہ اسلام آباد کی احتساب عدالت کے جج محمد بشیر نے رواں برس 6 جولائی کو ایون فیلڈ ریفرنس میں نواز شریف کو 11 سال قید اور جرمانے، مریم نواز کو 8 سال قید اور جرمانے اور کیپٹن ریٹائرڈ محمد صفدر کو ایک سال قید کی سزا سنائی تھی۔

مزید پڑھیے : ایون فیلڈ ریفرنس: نوازشریف کو 10، مریم کو 7 اور محمد صفدر کو ایک سال قید کی سزا

جس کے بعد کیپٹن (ر) صفدر کو نیب نے گرفتار کرلیا، جبک سابق نواز شریف اور ان کی بیٹی مریم نواز نے 13 جولائی کو لندن سے واپس پاکستان آکر گرفتاری دے دی

 

[Tameem]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1042337035867119616

 

[AZ1]

Mubarak nawaz is coming out to loot us again at 3 today thank you judge sahab. Money trail tou sabit nahi hoa ke paisa kaha se aya but faisla hogaya.

 

[Rank]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1042326221722406912

Bhai sahab aaap Geo dekhna bandhh kardain aur judges ko b akal ajayege thori deer may jo ye drama lagaya huwa hey

NS kay khelaaf SUPREME COURT kay 5 judges nay Disqualify kya hey Iqama (Chupanay) aur apnay assets declaration may kuch b na batanay pe jismay woh flats b majood hain

Mariam ko JAIL bheja gaya hey forgery, fake documents submit karnay pe SC may jo kay sab say sakht kanoon hey.... aur un flats ke malkeyat manay pe jo kay 93 say inkay paas hain aur inhonay aaj tak koi saboot nahe diya kay inkay paas kesay aye

yani judge inko agar rehaa kartay hain tu iska matlab kay NAB Court nahe blkay woh 5 Judge idiot bewakof thay jo inkay senior hain ?????