PALPA Withdraws from PIA Strike, Asks Pilots to Resume Operations

[CHD]

No one should be allowed to shutdown any public sector Organization, if they are not happy they can leave.Punishment should be under treason to country

 

[Sipahi]

That's right. I am a "special kid" compared to the likes of what I deal with, who are totally without common sense and medically, come under the definitions of "retards", politely speaking....."mentally challenged". And the guy calling for sit-ins can be totally measured for this category by seeing his inability to stop the inappropriate language and verbal abuse of women and daughters, from his own ex-wife to his opponents kids. Just wanted to set the stage right in terms of how the mentally challenged work in real life.

Now a blind knows the work being done, will start to finish ending in 2017. Unlike you, I don't have personals and emotional problems. I am going to support a progressive Pakistan and its nation. You can remain "unchallenged" in the 1980's violent, cheap and verbally abusive politics. In 2018, someone will eat your lunch (and dinner that time). IK will finally learn what leadership is when he turns 100. But he won't be a politicians or a PM, I can assure you of that . The people of Pakistan know better where their vote should go.

IK should start to deliver first. May want to start low so that he can "get into a habit". For a change, he should watch a chicken how she lays an egg a day. That would teach him some idea about he has to deliver every day to the people who voted for him, even on the basis of ethnicity. But the delivery needs to happen. When he beats the chicken in delivering something every day and bigger then an egg, may be we can give him more stuff to do. Slowly, he'll become a person who understands "hard work". So 30 years from now, he'll be there mentally. But beating the chicken is the most significant milestone in IK's life as far as getting work done is concerned. I wish him good luck

Again there is no answer but a whining special kid doing personal attacks.

With his assets growing rapidly Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has joined the list of a very few lawmakers who are billionaires, according to statements of assets and liabilities of parliamentarians for the year 2012-13 released by the Election Commission of Pakistan.

The net value of assets owned by Mr Sharif rises to Rs1.71 billion from Rs261.6 million he had declared at the time of filing nomination papers for the May elections.

These stats were from 2013. Mr. Nawaz Sharif is corroupt to the core and he is here to serve his family business interests.

You can talk about IK to other members who advocate him blindly. I am not one of them.

 

[WAJsal]

Well i doubt any relative will get his hand on it but there will be major kick backs in this deal. Do you have any source for employee figures ? I heard this in one of TV shows last week not by PMLN Leaders.

Asad Umar was talking with proper figures, if you want i can provide a link to that talk show.
In summary: there were less employees in 2008 and PIA was debt free, profitable in 2008. It's the usual corruption by these parties that's destroyed PIA.

Your post sounds like a bunch of statements put together, coming out like a random fire from IK's crazy head and uncontrollable mouth. Facts please?

PIA was making profits till 2010:
"Credit goes to Aijaz Haroon under whose tenure PIA recorded marginal operating profit of Rs720 million in 2010, reflecting better utilisation of fleet."[1]

I can provide a link to talk show where these facts were being discussed, though you would find it, not enough. If you have enough time go through these reports i am sure you will find what you are looking for, compare the employ number, Asad Umer had referred to these reports, though i have yet to read it:
PIA - Corporate Reports

Privatization is on IK's agenda too. He had mentioned plenty of times that he'd privatize the airline.

Dear, NS had said he would never privatize PIA and do this and that, what has he done? he is selling it to his business partners in the middle east. I cna provide NS saying these things on Capital talk, so save me the proof bullshit. I don't care what IK thinks, whats he got to do with anything?

I have just ONE advise for IK. Start to beat the damn chicken. Produce something a day for the people of KPK that's more than an egg. If he beats one chicken, may be he'll learn he has to work harder and eventually he'll become a hard working leader by the time he turns 90 (unlike depressed and desperate fools on here praying for others to die on every other thread like 4 years old children, I am actually wishing IK a long life..........but away from politics, enjoying a 3rd, 4th and 5th marriage and subsequent divorces )

There is no need to cry. The offer still stands, do present my case to Maryam Nawaz, i could be a great asset to the social media team.


@notorious_eagle , i heard Asad Umer stating employee numbers has dropped since 2008, by some 200 numbers. PIA faced real problems in Musharraf's time and before, well PPP and PMLN did the final proceedings. What do you make of the whole situation? can you link me up to such report stating employee numbers?

 

[notorious_eagle]

@notorious_eagle , i heard Asad Umer stating employee numbers has dropped since 2008, by some 200 numbers. PIA faced real problems in Musharraf's time and before, well PPP and PMLN did the final proceedings. What do you make of the whole situation? can you link me up to such report stating employee numbers?

Here is a really nice report that breaks PIA down into brick by brick.

Herald Exclusive: Plane truths - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

PIA is still an economic powerhouse. It may not be turning up cash due to mismanagement, but it owns Assets that are worth Billions of Dollars and this is exactly what economic vultures have their eyes set upon. PIA can never improve unless competent people are brought into its ranks. When the Prime Minister appoints Shujaat Azeem who is one of the most corrupt people in Pakistan as the Shadow Chairman of PIA, how in the world do you expect PIA to improve its performance. Landing Routes are given to foreign airlines without any reciprocity in return. Top Management is filled with incompetent waste who are charging Hundreds and Thousands of Dollars without showing any results.

It's very obvious that the Prime Minister wanted to run PIA down to the ground, so it can be bought back for dirt cheap by his vultures. Case in point, look at the privatization of MCB and Habib Bank. Mian Mansha purchased MCB for dirt cheap by the Government, and to put cherry on top he actually got a loan from MCB to buy MCB, in effect costing him nothing to buy MCB. PIA is likely going to suffer the same fate. The Privatization valued the Roosevelt Hotel at $358 million, while private investors have valued it at close to $1 billion. You can imagine where the rest of the money will go. I suggest watch the show Power Play, Arshad Sharif does a wonderful job in breaking down the facts and figures with official documentation of the Government.

 

[imiakhtar]

and PIA was profitable in 2008.

Incorrect.

Post number of employees from 2008 and for every year since then. Let's see how much balls you really have behind your talk. Your post sounds like a bunch of statements put together, coming out like a random fire from IK's crazy head and uncontrollable mouth. Facts please?

As per company reports: http://www.piac.com.pk/PIA_About/profiles/2014/PIA-Annual-Report-2014-23052015.pdf

Yr 2009: 17944 employees
Yr 2010: 18019 employees
Yr 2011: 18014 employees
Yr 2012: 17439 employees
Yr 2013: 16604 employees
Yr 2014: 16243 employees

World's Most Overstaffed Airline Can't Find Stranded Passengers - Bloomberg Business

Yr2015-Current: ~15 000 employees as per PIA and media reports

In summary: there were less employees in 2008 and PIA was debt free, profitable in 2008.

PIA has not made a profit nor has it been debt free in over 20 years. Operational profit is meaningless.

PIA was making profits till 2010:
"Credit goes to Aijaz Haroon under whose tenure PIA recorded marginal operating profit of Rs720 million in 2010, reflecting better utilisation of fleet."[1]

Again, op profit is meaningless as it doesn't account for financing costs.

PIA has accumulated losses between $2.5 billion-$3 billion dollars. To put those numbers into context, the Air Force could have bought 30 F-16s or 60 Jf-17s for that. Or you could have bought new subs from Germany or France. No amount of operational profit is going to be able to cover those losses or the liabilities it faces which is why a private investor, in other words someone with money, is needed to cover the losses. Pakistan doesn't have the money to continue drip feeding this patient that has been on life support since the 90s.

 

[WAJsal]

Yr 2009: 17944 employees
Yr 2010: 18019 employees
Yr 2011: 18014 employees
Yr 2012: 17439 employees
Yr 2013: 16604 employees
Yr 2014: 16243 employees

World's Most Overstaffed Airline Can't Find Stranded Passengers - Bloomberg Business

Yr2015-Current: ~15 000 employees as per PIA and media reports

Thank you.

Incorrect.

PIA has not made a profit nor has it been debt free in over 20 years. Operational profit is meaningless.

Again, op profit is meaningless as it doesn't account for financing costs.

The debt free was a guess, and regarding profit i was talking in a different context. Again thank you for the clarification, as i am yet to fully understand the whole issue.
Do you think the airlines can be revamped by the government? i support privatizaion as long as it is not being sold to friends and family, what do you make of it?

Here is a really nice report that breaks PIA down into brick by brick.

Herald Exclusive: Plane truths - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Thank you.

 

[Viper0011.]

As per company reports: http://www.piac.com.pk/PIA_About/profiles/2014/PIA-Annual-Report-2014-23052015.pdf

Yr 2009: 17944 employees
Yr 2010: 18019 employees
Yr 2011: 18014 employees
Yr 2012: 17439 employees
Yr 2013: 16604 employees
Yr 2014: 16243 employees.

Where are the "contractors" in this list? Remember, the biggest portion of the $$$$ goes to these contracors and you can't even hold them liable because they were hired on "contract basis" and kept getting extensions without doing the work and paying bribes. Second, the airline per the IMF and WB assessments, need 8000-10000 qualified and competent employees to run. So you have (from your data above) about 6-8 thousand people milking this airline based on their cousin politicians. Plus, add the contractor, (i think last ADB/IMF report showed over 10000 contractors, which was 75% higher than needed).

So all in all, if you run this organization like Emirates, AA, Lufthansa, etc, you are looking at trimming down a good $ 3-5 billion a year just in direct overhead reduction. And this airline takes a big loss every morning till dusk, damaging an already poor country's spending, tax payer's money and sheer abuse due to incompetent employees and ghost contractors. The only way to fix this, is to cut it from the Red tape of bureaucracy and bring in educated leaders from other places who've run airlines. The result would be thousands of new jobs (after the restructure and when it reaches profitability), based on education and merit!!!! Pakistan has GOT to start bringing people on merit so your institutions can run properly and produce growth and profitability. The 1980's system needs to go to hell once and for all, no more political employment and contractor ship as you've refused jobs to qualified people and given those to incompetent people who are just using this airline as their party's government welfare program to get a fat check every month, without doing any work. Let alone "hard work"!!

 

[imiakhtar]

Where are the "contractors" in this list? Remember, the biggest portion of the $$$$ goes to these contracors and you can't even hold them liable because they were hired on "contract basis" and kept getting extensions without doing the work and paying bribes. Second, the airline per the IMF and WB assessments, need 8000-10000 qualified and competent employees to run. So you have (from your data above) about 6-8 thousand people milking this airline based on their cousin politicians. Plus, add the contractor, (i think last ADB/IMF report showed over 10000 contractors, which was 75% higher than needed).

So all in all, if you run this organization like Emirates, AA, Lufthansa, etc, you are looking at trimming down a good $ 3-5 billion a year just in direct overhead reduction. And this airline takes a big loss every morning till dusk, damaging an already poor country's spending, tax payer's money and sheer abuse due to incompetent employees and ghost contractors. The only way to fix this, is to cut it from the Red tape of bureaucracy and bring in educated leaders from other places who've run airlines. The result would be thousands of new jobs (after the restructure and when it reaches profitability), based on education and merit!!!! Pakistan has GOT to start bringing people on merit so your institutions can run properly and produce growth and profitability. The 1980's system needs to go to hell once and for all, no more political employment and contractor ship as you've refused jobs to qualified people and given those to incompetent people who are just using this airline as their party's government welfare program to get a fat check every month, without doing any work. Let alone "hard work"!!

I don't disagree with you. I was just illustrating how employee numbers have slightly fallen at PK.

I was an operations manager at British Airways until 2014 so efficiency and cost cutting is something I'm familiar with.