Palestinians mourn death of a Bangladeshi war hero

[Fawad alam]

It is very unfortunate that Bangladesh separated, they are very good Muslims and just like Pakistan is ruled by US puppets over the years now Bangladesh is under Indain puppet rule.
I know many Bangalis they love Pakistan and they are very good Muslims.

 

[Max]

Pakistani war hero who later become Bangladeshi citizen, as far as I know he didn't fought any of air battle under Bangladeshi command.

As for dishonest Arab propaganda, they clearly suffer from inferiority complex when it comes to achievement of Pakistani trained manpower Vs their inferior pathetic Arab fighters. They won't give credit to Pakistan ever.

 

[Tom-tom]

Operation search light was a justified response to the bengali treachery.



I have not demeaned your race or country. I have just presented the historical fact that bengalis sided with India to achieve independence.

Siding with India = traitors.

You just called Bengals traitors. If I recall it was the Pakistan establishment that called for elections, mujib won the election race. Your noble leader refused his justified demands that we're reasonable. So west pk leader is the traitor, couldn't accept a game won under fair rules.
Please note that I called your historical leader ttraitor and not all west pk. Unlike that likes to call Bengals traitors.

 

[Destranator]

Operation search light was a justified response to the bengali treachery.



I have not demeaned your race or country. I have just presented the historical fact that bengalis sided with India to achieve independence.

Siding with India = traitors.

LOL...this perfectly demonstrates how PA/ISI leadership can continue to exploit Pakistan when sheeple keep making excuses for their crimes. Fortunately not all Pakistanis are this deluded, at least not the ones I know. Defence forums attract the most ultra-nationalist kind so one could argue you are a tiny minority.

Tall task ahead of Imran.

BTW, India sided with us and not the other way around. We dragged a hesitant Indira Gandhi post-Op Searchlight into intervention. Russia then followed.

We did what needed to be done. You can call us traitors, tractors, terminators, or whatever for that; Will not lessen the crimes committed against us.

It is very unfortunate that Bangladesh separated, they are very good Muslims and just like Pakistan is ruled by US puppets over the years now Bangladesh is under Indain puppet rule.
I know many Bangalis they love Pakistan and they are very good Muslims.

The vast majority of Bangladeshis have nothing against the Pakistani nation. We wish you well.
It is the blind defence by some members of crimes committed by a few that causes all the bickering here.

You just called Bengals traitors. If I recall it was the Pakistan establishment that called for elections, mujib won the election race. Your noble leader refused his justified demands that we're reasonable. So west pk leader is the traitor, couldn't accept a game won under fair rules.
Please note that I called your historical leader ttraitor and not all west pk. Unlike that likes to call Bengals traitors.

Despite all that the war would not have happened had Bhutto and Yahya not been blood-thirsty. BB tried to negotiate till the end (25 March) but Yahya took advantage of this and perpetrated mass indiscriminate killings of unarmed civilians.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Saiful Azam must be given the highest honours in Bangladesh, we love traitors down here.


It's an honours to be deemed traitors by a certain wretched lot.

Oh, look how they bicker to take credit for his personal achievements, as if it's PAF training that made him what he is.

Perhaps it did, but if that was the case there would be more Pakistani living eagles. The point in its his personal aptitude as a pilot and his excellent abilities as a pilot that got him there. Training is one thing but being gifted is just something else.



While we're here please do decide if he's a traitor, like all ugly lungi clad kalia coward bangalis or if he's a hero. You can't have it both ways because if you do it only shows you lack of integrity as a nation that you're celebrating a 'traitor' just because he's an Ace.

LOL...this perfectly demonstrates how PA/ISI leadership can continue to exploit Pakistan when sheeple keep making excuses for their crimes. Fortunately not all Pakistanis are this deluded, at least not the ones I know. Defence forums attract the most ultra-nationalist kind so one could argue you are a tiny minority.

Tall task ahead of Imran.

BTW, India sided with us and not the other way around. We dragged a hesitant Indira Gandhi post-Op Searchlight into intervention. Russia then followed.

We did what needed to be done. You can call us traitors, tractors, terminators, or whatever for that; Will not lessen the crimes committed against us.


The vast majority of Bangladeshis have nothing against the Pakistani nation. We wish you well.
It is the blind defence by some members of crimes committed by a few that causes all the bickering here.



Despite all that the war would not have happened had Bhutto and Yahya not been blood-thirsty. BB tried to negotiate till the end (25 March) but Yahya took advantage of this and perpetrated mass indiscriminate killings of unarmed civilians.

Oh 80% of Pakistanis are not like this lot here on PDF, I have known Pakistanis to be gentle, kind and hospitable people and have built strong friendships with many of them. The lot here on PDF have no clue what happened in '71 and are no less than sanghis when it comes to shamelessly denying crimes committed by their government.

But alas what's done is done, my grandparents were killed during the war but we have moved on and so have millions of other Bengalis, it's the few Pakistanis who haven't moved on.

They will come on every thread and make some snide remarks just waiting to remind people of the pain of '71 and oh they're surprised when they get a reply, look here comes the mukti traitor.......

Grow up, show some respect and most of all add some integrity to your flailing personalities.


Pakistan is a great country, Pakistanis are great people but this lot on PDF doesn't do justice to it.

 

[Destranator]

Saiful Azam must be given the highest honours in Bangladesh, we love traitors down here.


It's an honours to be deemed traitors by a certain wretched lot.

Oh, look how they bicker to take credit for his personal achievements, as if it's PAF training that made him what he is.

Perhaps it did, but if that was the case there would be more Pakistani living eagles. The point in its his personal aptitude as a pilot and his excellent abilities as a pilot that got him there. Training is one thing but being gifted is just something else.



While we're here please do decide if he's a traitor, like all ugly lungi clad kalia coward bangalis or if he's a hero. You can't have it both ways because if you do it only shows you lack of integrity as a nation that you're celebrating a 'traitor' just because he's an Ace.





Oh 80% of Pakistanis are not like this lot here on PDF, I have known Pakistanis to be gentle, kind and hospitable people and have built strong friendships with many of them. The lot here on PDF have no clue what happened in '71 and are no less than sanghis when it comes to shamelessly denying crimes committed by their government.

But alas what's done is done, my grandparents were killed during the war but we have moved on and so have millions of other Bengalis, it's the few Pakistanis who haven't moved on.

They will come on everything and make some snide remarks just waiting to remind people of the pain of '71 and oh they're surprised when they get a reply, look here comes the mukti traitor.......

Grow up, show some respect and most of all add some integrity to your flailing personalities.


Pakistan is a great country, Pakistanis are great people but this lot on PDF doesn't do justice to it.

Totally agree. My family members were shot, our home ransacked and looted by uniformed PA troops. None in my family were freedom fighters. Troops go bersek when led by imbeciles.

We do not begrudge the entire Pakistani nation for that.

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

Bangladeshi troops are deployed in KSA and Kuwait as we speak so there, you have your answer.

Are KSA and Kuwait at war no so it's not really the same thing.
The truth is Bangladesh would have never taken part in any conflict like pakistan did. And the hard fact is without Pakistan's equipment and training Azam wouldn't have been Azam so much for you claiming his legacy. All of his success was when he was in Paf what did he do when he was in Baf the ch(air) force.
@DalalErMaNodi
If you so much claim that it was only his achievement and nothing to do with his training than why you didn't have anyone else like him later or even remotely close while Paf has many proud sons who were his peers rivaling near to his abilities or even greater abilities.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Totally agree. My family members were shot, our home ransacked and looted by uniformed PA troops. None in my family were freedom fighters. Troops go bersek when led by imbeciles.

We do not begrudge the entire Pakistani nation for that.

I will not mention what happened to my family members but it was horrific beyond mentioning and my father who like all men never cried, used to sob everytime he recounted their deaths, he was orphaned right in front of his eyes.

 

[Zhukov]

Everyone i know in Pakistan army and Air force are celebrating his achievements and commemorating him as a war hero. All messages forwarded to me by my soldier friends with his name and achievement.
Not a single person mentioned this BS being argued on this forums.
No offence but some morons are fighting over him being Bengali or Pakistani.
Never let this dust settle. Keep the fire ignited even in next generation who have nothing to do with 1971 and its events.
Why should you stop on this pilot?. Create threads, heated debates and hate slings of respected East Pakistan based Bengali Heroes of Indipendence of Pakistan like Sher e Bengal A.K Faz lul Haq and Politicians like Hussain Shaheed Suharwardi and Khwaja Nazimuddin.
then start with post 1971 figures like Bengal origin legend M.M Alim and Beloved bengal origin Artists like Alamgir, Munni Begum, Shabnam etc as well and create this Stupid Bengal-Pakistan Controversy around them as well. Material is unlimited. Keep hating each other. and Transferring it to next generations to come.

 

[Tom-tom]

Are KSA and Kuwait at war no so it's not really the same thing.
The truth is Bangladesh would have never taken part in any conflict like pakistan did. And the hard fact is without Pakistan's equipment and training Azam wouldn't have been Azam so much for you claiming his legacy. All of his success was when he was in Paf what did he do when he was in Baf the ch(air) force.
@DalalErMaNodi

During 50's and 60's where did some of that money come from, rremember east pak having higher earnings in exports compared to west pak.

Where did the logistical support come for paf? That's right it was all an west pak effort, erase all efforts by east pak to build pakistan

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

@DalalErMaNodi
If you so much claim that it was only his achievement and nothing to do with his training than why you didn't have anyone else like him later or even remotely close while Paf has many proud sons who were his peers rivaling near to his abilities or even greater abilities.

So are all PAF pilots aces? Are all PAF pilots living eagles ? How many Pakistani living eagles are out there ?


Keep bickering and arguing over him and his personal achievements.


No Bangladeshi on here and on this thread has claimed that he didn't serve and get good training in PAF, it's you lot who come here and try to rub it onto us that he served in PAF.

While you're at it, go read up how he was discharged from service, used and abused.

So go read your own comments and if you want fitting replies, you won't get any given your lot are in majority here and you insult people, report them and get away with it. PDF is not a level playing field so stop itching and insulting people.

Now, quit tagging me and quoting me, I'm done with your lot.


@Al-Ansar apne nijer shomoy waste kortechen, era judi bhalo, shorol Dil er manush hoto, tahole amar ar apnar family'r shodossho ra ajke jibitio hoto.

 

[Destranator]

Are KSA and Kuwait at war no so it's not really the same thing.
The truth is Bangladesh would have never taken part in any conflict like pakistan did. And the hard fact is without Pakistan's equipment and training Azam wouldn't have been Azam so much for you claiming his legacy. All of his success was when he was in Paf what did he do when he was in Baf the ch(air) force.
@DalalErMaNodi
If you so much claim that it was only his achievement and nothing to do with his training than why you didn't have anyone else like him later or even remotely close while Paf has many proud sons who were his peers rivaling near to his abilities or even greater abilities.

The resources that United Pakistan had were created by efforts from both sides; Azam was such a resource.

We did not need to go to aerial war post-1971 so you cannot tell how good or bad our pilots are. By the same token, if Azam's achievements are all attributed to West Pakistan, how come you have not had more pilots of such calibre post-1971?

 

[Zhukov]

Saiful Azam must be given the highest honours in Bangladesh, we love traitors down here.


It's an honours to be deemed traitors by a certain wretched lot.

Oh, look how they bicker to take credit for his personal achievements, as if it's PAF training that made him what he is.

Perhaps it did, but if that was the case there would be more Pakistani living eagles. The point in its his personal aptitude as a pilot and his excellent abilities as a pilot that got him there. Training is one thing but being gifted is just something else.



While we're here please do decide if he's a traitor, like all ugly lungi clad kalia coward bangalis or if he's a hero. You can't have it both ways because if you do it only shows you lack of integrity as a nation that you're celebrating a 'traitor' just because he's an Ace.





Oh 80% of Pakistanis are not like this lot here on PDF, I have known Pakistanis to be gentle, kind and hospitable people and have built strong friendships with many of them. The lot here on PDF have no clue what happened in '71 and are no less than sanghis when it comes to shamelessly denying crimes committed by their government.

But alas what's done is done, my grandparents were killed during the war but we have moved on and so have millions of other Bengalis, it's the few Pakistanis who haven't moved on.

They will come on every thread and make some snide remarks just waiting to remind people of the pain of '71 and oh they're surprised when they get a reply, look here comes the mukti traitor.......

Grow up, show some respect and most of all add some integrity to your flailing personalities.


Pakistan is a great country, Pakistanis are great people but this lot on PDF doesn't do justice to it.

I dont know your age. but if you are old enough to know pre 2009 era. Both Pakistanis and Bangladeshis had moved on. We had very good relations after 80s. Pakistan Government was gifting Fighter jets to Bangladesh Government in 80s.
But after Sheikh Hasina Take over of 2009. The Old Pandora box of 1971 was reopened. Massacre days commemoration started to appear. the long lost bogeyman of West Pakistan was reincarnated by the government. The Indian Rhetoric of "Terrorist Pakistanis" was loudmouthed by Bengladeshi diplomats who had never sided with India after 80s after General Zia ul Rehman Government like this. Even petty Grenade Attacks were blamed on Pakistani Government.
Suddenly even the young Bangladeshi cricketers started hating us. I still remember 1999 when All Pakistanis were so happy that Bangladeshi Cricket team is now in Worldcup. And during the epic victory of Bangladesh over Pakistan everyone was happy that even if we lost. Bangladesh will have entry in next world cup. That was 1999.
And here comes 2009. Now its 2020 and we are at ground zero like its 1972.
I know what happened in 1971. I know why it happened. I am not a propaganda brainwashed person. But you Bangladeshis need to take a deep look on how this Pakistan-Bangladesh Divide suddenly came out of no where after 2009 in a generation who was born a decade after the tragic events of 1971. It was a Job well done By Indian Establishment to plant this seed. Unfortunately we both countries failed to see it.
The Generation that saw and lived 1971 sorted out our problems and normalized the relations. But some AS***** Planted these Hatred seeds again in the next Generation. You being a Bangladeshi know very well who those people are in your country. If you are old enough to remember 90s and 2000s.
BTW i am sorry for your family loss. and This is Utter BS that Pakistanis hate Bangla Ethnicity that is fed as general preception by some government elements in BD.
Ever Heard of Alamgir, Munni Begam, Tariq Fatami, M M Alim, Shabnam?

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

The resources that United Pakistan had were created by efforts from both sides; Azam was such a resource.

We did not need to go to aerial war post-1971 so you cannot tell how good or bad our pilots are. By the same token, if Azam's achievements are all attributed to West Pakistan, how come you have not had more pilots of such calibre post-1971?

We've had many pilots of his calibre even better before 71, but after 71 there wasnt a war on such a large scale where they could've shown their skills. On the contrary has Bangladesh ever had a pilot at even 1/4 of his capability.

So are all PAF pilots aces? Are all PAF pilots living eagles ? How many Pakistani living eagles are out there ?


Keep bickering and arguing over him and his personal achievements.


No Bangladeshi on here and on this thread has claimed that he didn't serve and get good training in PAF, it's you lot who come here and try to rub it onto us that he served in PAF.

While you're at it, go read up how he was discharged from service, used and abused.

So go read your own comments and if you want fitting replies, you won't get any given your lot are in majority here and you insult people, report them and get away with it. PDF is not a level playing field so stop itching and insulting people.

Now, quit tagging me and quoting me, I'm done with your lot.


@Al-Ansar apne nijer shomoy waste kortechen, era judi bhalo, shorol Dil er manush hoto, tahole amar ar apnar family'r shodossho ra ajke jibitio hoto.

All paf pilots were given the same training and were on par with eachother although there are some exceptions some natural talents but what Azam did anyother pilot (from Paf) would've done the same without a doubt, he was given the opportunity and was at the right place at the right time.
The fact of the matter is it was a collective effort of paf as an institution all the trainers, all of our partners that enabled us to bring out the talent from people like Azam, even USAF legend gen Chuck Yeager wouldn't hesitate to admit that.
And when did i insult you you're the one using words like bickering while refering to me.

During 50's and 60's where did some of that money come from, rremember east pak having higher earnings in exports compared to west pak.

Where did the logistical support come for paf? That's right it was all an west pak effort, erase all efforts by east pak to build pakistan

Everything is not about money why wasn't Bangladesh ever able to rival PAF as an institute after your independance.
You guys didn't have the connections, logistics or any partners to get the training that PAF was providing thats why.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

We've had many pilots of his calibre even better before 71, but after 71 there wasnt a war on such a large scale where they could've shown their skills. On the contrary has Bangladesh ever had a pilot at even 1/4 of his capability.


All paf pilots were given the same training and were on par with eachother although there are some exceptions some natural talents but what Azam did anyother pilot (from Paf) would've done the same without a doubt he was given the opportunity and was at the right place at the right time.
And when did i insult you you're the one using words like bickering while refering to me.

The mods have very conveniently cleaned up the racist tirade unleashed on me and my countrymen on here last night so yes to call it bickering is an understatement.


I'm yet to see a Bangali or Bangladeshi make racist remarks towards Punjabis or any other Pakistani ethnicity on here.

Please do tag me if someone does and I'll be sure to let them know it's not right but when your countrymen do it, it seems to me they get a free pass and it gets deemed 'banter'.