Palestinian drives car into Israeli soldiers

[Norwegian]

Last time I checked it were Jewish migrants that took control of an area inhabited by Palestinians and not the other way around.

What about Palestinian Jews, who were always there since ancient times and never left, such as in Hebron until their massacre by Arabs based on mere rumors:
Old Yishuv - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Palestinian Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1929 Hebron massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What tells you that Israel was willing to accept a two-state solution?

Ever read the famous 25 missed opportunities for the Arabs to achieve eternal peace with Jews? Quoting a few here:

a. After WW I, Feisal, later King of Iraq, proposed to the Jewish leader,
Weizman, a mutual partnership in developing a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Other Arabs lacked Feisal's foresight and generosity, and that great and historic option was lost.

h. In 1947, the Arabs, unlike the Jewish Agency, [a] boycotted the May 1947 11-strong UN Committee, which eventually voted 8-3 to recommend partition, and then rejected the UN General Assembly resolution of 29 Nov 1947 for Palestine to be shared by both Arab and Jewish states, a vote backed by France, USSR, USA, Liberia, etc. Armed irregulars, both Palestinian and other Arabs, immediately commenced attacks on Jewish communities.

i. In May, 1948, the Arab States responded to the creation of the UN-mandated Jewish State of Israel with a 5-power attack by regular armies, from Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan, together with armed Palestinians, and armed Arab volunteers,
including Muslim Brotherhood elements. The Cairo-born and Cairo-educated engineering student, Arafat, at 19, fought as a Lt in the Egyptian Army on the Sinai front.

p. The Arab Khartoum Summit in Autumn, 1967 decided on their notorious Triple Negative - No to Peace, No to Recognition, and No to
Negotiation.

x. In December, 2000, Arafat rejected the proposals from President Bill Clinton [ actually originating with Israeli Labour PM Lt-Gen Ehud Barak] that the Palestinians have "custodianship" around the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, together with their capital in Arab East Jerusalem, and sovereignty over both the Christian and Muslim districts in Jerusalem.

Twenty Five missed opportunities of the Palestinians- Zionism-Israel Web Log

Now as I told you in the other thread why talk about ancient times when we can talk about the current events? Why is Israel continuing to built illegal settlements in the West Bank while claiming to want a two-state solution?

When your stupid Arab leaders REJECTED peace deals with Israelis / Jews, their governments were still very left-wing and liberal. They didn't care much about religiously sensitive areas of Judaism as such that after 6 day war when all of Jerusalem came under Jewish control, flag of Israel was taken down from Al-Aqsa Mosque within hours by the orders of Israeli General Moshe Dayan. And later he handed over custodianship back to Jordanian Waqf, even though they had lost the war and had no claim at all to the lost territory. By showing this gratitude they hoped for peace, yet only got more violence from West Bank Arabs in return. Over time this radicalized even left-leaning Jews to become more conservative and religious, leading to religiously motivated settlements in occupied lands. More Arabs fight, more right-wing government Israelis elect. Good luck!

 

[al-Hasani]

To make it more simple;

Jews were a relatively small minority in what is now Palestine/Israel prior to 1882 where the first large-scale migrations of Jews into Israel began. Read up on the Aliyah.

Aliyah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Brits first got a real foothold in the region after the creation of OETA (1917-1920). British controlled territory.

Occupied Enemy Territory Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During that period you had the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement that you mentioned.



From 1917 and onwards until 1948 Jews from across the world (mainly Eastern Europe) continued migrating to Mandatory Palestine (1920-1948)

Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

British controlled obviously.

For each year the Palestinians were losing more and more land. Some confiscated or some sold to Jewish settlers. The first tensions started appearing as Palestinians were put up in a corner.

The agreement between Faisal bin Hussein and Wiezmann did not really consult the Palestinians. Similarly Faisal did not expect the events to go as they did. Even many Palestinians were not against Jewish presence (why otherwise selling land to them for some of them?) but against Jews suddenly getting the control of almost all of Israel/Palestine as happened.

A long story short Israel got created in 1948. Not in the form agreed upon. Rest is history. Now there are different theories depending who you ask but today the situation is clear. Israel does not want a two-state solution and whatever decisions that were made decades ago is not something current day Palestinians should "pay for".

 

[Norwegian]

Israel does not want a two-state solution.

That's for sure. They DO NOT trust these violent rock-throwing, baby killing, car crashing Arabs among their midst anymore!

 

[al-Hasani]

What about Palestinian Jews, who were always there since ancient times and never left, such as in Hebron until their massacre by Arabs based on mere rumors:
Old Yishuv - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Palestinian Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1929 Hebron massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Ever read the famous 25 missed opportunities for the Arabs to achieve eternal peace with Jews? Quoting a few here:

Twenty Five missed opportunities of the Palestinians- Zionism-Israel Web Log


When your stupid Arab leaders REJECTED peace deals with Israelis / Jews, their governments were still very left-wing and liberal. They didn't care much about religiously sensitive areas of Judaism as such that after 6 day war when all of Jerusalem came under Jewish control, flag of Israel was taken down from Al-Aqsa Mosque within hours by the orders of Israeli General Moshe Dayan. And later he handed over custodianship back to Jordanian Waqf, even though they had lost the war and had no claim at all to the lost territory. By showing this gratitude they hoped for peace, yet only got more violence from West Bank Arabs in return. Over time this radicalized even left-leaning Jews to become more conservative and religious, leading to religiously motivated settlements in occupied lands. More Arabs fight, more right-wing government Israelis elect. Good luck!

I hope that you realize that no Arabs had any problems with that Jewish community otherwise they would not have existed as they were heavily outnumbered. We are talking about a small community after all. Yes, the Palestinians were also always there and never left.

List of massacres in the Palestinian territories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of killings and massacres in Mandatory Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I hope that you realize that fighting between the two communities took place over land disputes and that's basically what created the modern-day hostilities to a great extent.

There were similar opportunities for the Jews to create a real lasting two-state solution. If you think that only the Arab leaders were stubborn then you are wrong.

LOL. Israel is founded upon "Jewishness" and Jewish identity of which Judaism plays a key role. I am not a Palestinian once again. I have not praised any Arab leaders nor Jewish leaders in how they dealt with this conflict. It is always easy to look back and make conclusions. It's not remotely as one-sided as you want it to appear.

I have to go to bed though.

Take the discussion with @Hazzy997 He knows more about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict than I do as he is part of it directly and a Palestinian while I am not.

That's for sure. They DO NOT trust these violent rock-throwing, baby killing, car crashing Arabs among their midst anymore!

Neither do Palestinians trust violent child-murdering, mass-murdering, carpet bombing, oppressive, land grabbing, illegal settlement building Israeli migrants amongst their midst anymore!

 

[RazPaK]

Stop acting like a clown and stop teaching an expert and native of the ME the basics when I am a few hundred levels above that. It seems to me that the complexity of this discussion is too much for you to handle although it is rather simple.

We are talking about DNA here as this is closely tied to actual ancestry and this discussion which was about Palestinians not existing as a people (LOL) and Jews (read modern-day Israelis) being more native to what is not Israel than the native Palestinians. Do you understand this? Do you also understand that this is the main argument of the Zionists? Namely that they have ancestral ties to what is now Israel while in reality this is not the case for most of them. Are you still there this long in the process?

Also you don't have to tell me that all of those distinct people are claiming to be Jews. I am not interested in that just like I am not interested about Muslims in connection with ancestry as that is not a people in the sense of being an ethnicity.

So you decided to troll when successfully countered. Pathetic. Mesopotamia as well as Syria (Sham) are much older than the notion of Israel. Come again. Just like Arabia is. Just like Egypt is.

@RazPaK

Is this Norwegian tool really a Pakistani and Punjabi? Deal with your compatriot. He is either high on something or just drunk.

Other than Pakistani politics, I don't agree with him on anything. He is an Indian butt kisser.

 

[jamahir]

Well simpler solution to driver ramming their cars into soldiers is 50 cal beowulfs

i didn't understand your reference... you must explain... but one thing that cannot be explained is the racist deviation of this thread led by al-hasani and his admirers... i don't see the relevance of those posts to this thread.

 

[MilSpec]

i didn't understand your reference... you must explain... but one thing that cannot be explained is the racist deviation of this thread led by al-hasani and his admirers... i don't see the relevance of those posts to this thread.

google 50 cal beowulf

 

[Ceylal]

The evolution of the intifadha...Went from blowing busses, then throwing rocks and now car derby..