Palestine's leader Abbas ENRAGES Germany and the rest of Europe with "50 Holocausts" remark

[Beny Karachun]

I don’t really see that he made anything up. It’s a fact that Jewish migration to Palestine started in 1870s under Ottoman rule that allowed them in as refugees. No cases of any violence against Jews from that wave of refugee exodus until the British took over after WW1.

As far as what Roald Dahl is writing, there is some truth in it, no? The jewish people, especially the religious nationalists, less so the reformed, have a kind of strong disregard for the goyim. The chosen people theory makes you look down on others by default. It’s a sort of nationalism that is religiously enforced.

The rest of the quotes are contextual. Being anti-Israeli gets you the accusation of anti-semitism, which I think is unfair. And credit goes to American Jewry- they have been hyper successful in America. No doubt because they have some admirable qualities. That they exercise that power to limit anti-Zionist views is evident to anyone who has a brain here in the US.

That the Arabs started these clashes needs to be proven by you. Seems like the clashes started after WW1 after the British took over. If the Arabs would have started it, or would have been disposed to it, why didn’t they do it pre-WW1 under Ottoman rule. Actually, from accounts one read, looks like the Jewish militants started them actually.

Ottomans. Palestinians never had autonomy here. Jews weren't refugees those years. They just migrated here as part of the Zionist effort to get to Israel. Arabs were tribalistic, they would kill each other over territorial intrusions, you think they would like Jews? The only Jewish refugees were Jews that got attacked by Arabs.


You think this only started under British rule lol, this isn't the case

1834 looting of Safed - Wikipedia

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1929 Palestine riots - Wikipedia

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The Hebron Massacre of 1929

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

 

[Ssan]

Ottomans. Palestinians never had autonomy here. Jews weren't refugees those years. They just migrated here as part of the Zionist effort to get to Israel. Arabs were tribalistic, they would kill each other over territorial intrusions, you think they would like Jews? The only Jewish refugees were Jews that got attacked by Arabs.


You think this only started under British rule lol, this isn't the case

1834 looting of Safed - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1929 Palestine riots - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Hebron Massacre of 1929

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Okay nice

Looks like we are making progress here. We disagree on three things it seems- 1) were these Jews refugees or not? 2) are the Ottomans to be given credit or the Palestinian Arabs and 3) whether there were any massacres against them during this time?

1) they were refugees from this source:- https://www.cjpme.org/fs_181

“The first two waves of immigration took place under the Ottoman Empire. The first aliya[2], between 1882 and 1903, brought 20,000 to 30,000 Russians fleeing Czarist Russia’s pogroms. Between 1903 and 1914, during the second aliya, 35,000-40,000 more Russians, most of them socialists, established themselves in Palestine.[3]”

So escaping pogroms and socialists escaping czar finding refuge with the Ottomans.

2) who to give credit to? Both the Ottomans and the Palestinians- the Ottoman Empire had local vilayats that were ruled by locals so both of them were responsible for settling Jewish refugees.

3) were they massacres before British rule? If they were, you have not proven it. The two examples you post are red herrings- one that of Egyptian rule from before the first wave of refugees to Palestine - the second during British rule post WW1.

Quick word of the first incident. It’s pretty clear from the wiki that the incident is one of theft of a fort during a civil war against the rule there. Doesn’t seem like it’s got any religious motivation.

Cairo Geniza - Wikipedia

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Also the history of Jews in Egypt is really interesting. The Genizah documents found in Cairo show the degree that the Arabs were tolerant to the Jews and it’s probably the longest era of peaceful living the Jews have had anywhere.

 

[Ssan]

Again I’m not sure why you included Safed here seeing it’s in Egypt and not Palestine. Also if Egypt is the metric for savage blood thirsty rule then as u know Jews lived there for over a thousand years peacefully- no history of pogroms or otherwise.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

False yet again- read the passage from Roald Dahl. I didn’t write it myself.

Jewish migration to Palestine actually started before WW1. The Ottomans and the Palestinian Arabs gave them refuge.

As far as the title you suggested that links to a Wikipedia page- all of the fatalities are during British rule- and most committed by Jewish militants. The story is still one of an Arab people who gave their Jewish brethren refuge in their land pre -WW1 who turned on them and kicked them out of their own land.

The Ottomans allowed them to immigrate, and soon the Arabs started to complain and sent a delegation to Istanbul requesting the Jews to be deported but the Ottomans found their complaints without merit so the delegation had to return failing the mission.

Soon thereafter the Arabs started to attack the settlements.

The Jews purchased land, owned by rich Arabs, and Arabs leasing that property had to leave. If those Arabs were wronged, then surely they were wronged by the Arabs selling the land.

Since there were significant drawbacks of owning land in the Ottoman Empire, people may have avoided registering their land, but since the Ottoman Empire was a feodal society, it is much more probable that the Sultan owns everything and can hand out control over territory to loyal subjects. The land ownership in the Ottoman Empire was always conditional since the Land Reform. If you left your land, you lost possession after a few years.

 

[Goritoes]

So I guess Freedom of Speech stops there? Hypocrisy at its best.

 

[Trench Broom]

Update:

German police open investigation against Abbas over Holocaust remarks​

Following his recent controversial statements about the Holocaust, German police have opened an investigation against Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

German police also confirmed a report by German newspaper Bild, which stated that the investigation was opened after a criminal complaint was filed against Abbas for inciting hatred.

It is important to note that Holocaust denial is a criminal offense in Germany.

German police open investigation against Abbas over Holocaust remarks

Following his recent controversial statements about the Holocaust, German police have opened an investigation

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Great trip to Europe, Abbas.....I think it's your last

 

[Bengal71]

They don’t want to admit Israel has the right to exist,

Israel only has a "right to exist" as long as USA exists as the superpower. The day it falls, that's the day for Israel. Make sure USA remains the superpower forever.

 

[Michel Niesten]

Israel only has a "right to exist" as long as USA exists as the superpower. The day it falls, that's the day for Israel. Make sure USA remains the superpower forever.

Well, it seems both will exist longer than us.

 

[mulj]

homework for anyone who wants to engage with cionazi settlers.

 

[Bengal71]

Well, it seems both will exist longer than us.

We shall see. But Israel ceasing to exist is only a matter of when not if.

 

[AZMwi]

It still isn't right and you have to stop spamming that photo in every post.

The Olympic games are supposed to be the pinnacle of ceasefire. Athletes competing in sports. It was a hideous terrorist act and it's time that you recognize it as it is: a terrorist act and a crime.

We all know that Israelis have treated Palestinians like subhumans and have bombed them,destroyed their houses,stole their land and made their every day life miserable. But you have to acknowledge Palestinian mistakes and crimes as well.

These innocent palestinian kids were also playing when illegal european squatters murdered them via missile strike

 

[ziaulislam]

They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Abbas was invited to Germany. He stood up next to the German chancellor and on the 50th anniversary of the Munich massacre carried out by his people, he refused to apologise for it and instead said Israel had carried out "50 Holocausts" against the 'palestinians'.

This has caused outrage all across Europe and has totally exposed the 'palestinians' for what they are. It's even trending on Twitter. Allahu Akbar.

Germany's Scholz 'disgusted' at Abbas’s '50 holocausts' comments

The German chancellor rejected the use of the word 'apartheid' in a meeting with the PA president • Liberman: Abbas is alive today only because of security coordination with Israel

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Fantastic diplomatic win for Israel, and they didn't even need to do anything. Just let Abbas go to Germany and run his mouth

Does it matter..

What will it change.

Will being sensitive to Germany ease Palestinians.

I would say good job at least the Germans with some conscious will read on topic and realized that THEY ARE FUNDING HOLOCAUST in Palestine through cheap/free weapons exports to Israel

 

[Michel Niesten]

We shall see. But Israel ceasing to exist is only a matter of when not if.

Of course you can always dream about it

 

[Bengal71]

Of course you can always dream about it

No dream, it's the reality. The crusaders occupied Palestine for 99 years, Muslims took it back. Everything comes to an end and Israel too will. You know that, everybody knows that. But to hide it you say red herring remark like, "you can dream".

 

[Ssan]

The Ottomans allowed them to immigrate, and soon the Arabs started to complain and sent a delegation to Istanbul requesting the Jews to be deported but the Ottomans found their complaints without merit so the delegation had to return failing the mission.

Soon thereafter the Arabs started to attack the settlements.

The Jews purchased land, owned by rich Arabs, and Arabs leasing that property had to leave. If those Arabs were wronged, then surely they were wronged by the Arabs selling the land.

Since there were significant drawbacks of owning land in the Ottoman Empire, people may have avoided registering their land, but since the Ottoman Empire was a feodal society, it is much more probable that the Sultan owns everything and can hand out control over territory to loyal subjects. The land ownership in the Ottoman Empire was always conditional since the Land Reform. If you left your land, you lost possession after a few years.

You’ve said a lot of things here- not much of which is true. Prove each point now but with sources. That the Arabs went to the caliph, that the caliph gave the land -not the Arabs- that it was a feudal society- it wasn’t it was a vilayah system- the Jews really purchased land under British tutelage so your story is wrong on multiple fronts.

Anyways, the truth is that the picture I am painting is one that most everyone who knows something of the matter agrees with. The Palestinians gave refuge to the Jews fleeing persecution.

The Arabs/Muslims have a history of giving Jews refuge as they escaped persecution in Europe going way back to the beginning of our history. You don’t have to like it for it to be true.

Now yes, if a bunch of refugees, say the Somalis in Sweden were to say tomorrow that they wanted to kick the Swedes out and establish a Somaliland, how would people take that in Sweden?