Pak's intrusions on borders triggered 1965 war: Durrani

[SalmanNadeem]

Brig (r) Asif Alvi has hit the nail on the head. Great, honest article.

 

[xebex]

The question is, are you sure its going to be a conventional war? Lets not forget that both sides are nuclear armed. And we're actually a step ahead of our counterparts as far as Nuclear Weapons Delivery systems are concerned.

I think you're assumption is flawed when you say that in case of a convetional/Nuclear war, India wouldn't be on the losing edge. There's a reason why Pakistan maintains a first-strike capability. The nuclear build-up in the region isn't progressing because Pakistan would want to see it self suffer in case of a war with an enemy, thrice its size.

Lets just hope that it doesn't come down to this. If we end up triggering another war, total annihilation would follow for both nations.

Bezerk,

I edited the sentance right after i posted as i felt bringing in the war is pointless, I didnt see ur reply is comming.

Anyways.... About conventional war, the land of India is huge compared to the land of Pakistan same goes with the population. Naturally, we Indian will have more chances of surviveability. my friend, god forbid, if there is any nuclear war brokeout between India and Pakistan and India, while India have the triad of multiple strike capabilty, then Pakistan is in deep trouble, can u deny that?. The point i was trying to make with my war comment was, India can afford to keep the Kashmir in dispute while Pakistan can not. A conventional war is not in anybody's interest but the chances cant be ruled out either.

 

[xebex]

to whomever edited my post,

I asked a legitimate question to the Pakistani who claimed a Pakistani Major general is an Idiot, he have the right to explain why he claimed so and as a member i have the right to ask him. I think it should be his comment about the major that needed a mod edit than mine or is it bcoz i am an Indian. Either way it seemed unfair.

 

[Awesome]

1. With Pakistan, the act of war by India always exist by default on their betrayal over Kashmir.
2. Pakistani skirmishes over Kashmir is totally justified as it is a disputed territory and all options must be exercised.

 

[gubbi]

1. With Pakistan, the act of war by India always exist by default on their betrayal over Kashmir.
2. Pakistani skirmishes over Kashmir is totally justified as it is a disputed territory and all options must be exercised.

Hmmn,
On one hand Pakistan and many formers here claim that they will/do provide "moral" support - we all know what is implied by that- for Kashmiri freedom movement, which in simple translation means that Pakistan supports Kashmiri freedom. Then keep out, for its a bilateral matter between Kashmir and India! Why get involved?
On the other hand you all claim that Kashmir is a 'disputed' territory.
Did I lose something in translation?

Why in the world is it any of Pakistan's business if Kashmiris want freedom? Either that or Pakistan wants Kashmir so badly that it is willing to set onto a path of assured self-destruction!
Or is it that this call for Kashmir is the only reason to distract people from real issues and clobber a forced unity where a legitimate one is wanting?/

 

[Beskar]

to whomever edited my post,

I asked a legitimate question to the Pakistani who claimed a Pakistani Major general is an Idiot, he have the right to explain why he claimed so and as a member i have the right to ask him. I think it should be his comment about the major that needed a mod edit than mine or is it bcoz i am an Indian. Either way it seemed unfair.

Xebex, your post was edited because you were generalizing all Pakistani's as Idiots. I'm referring to the line that you added later. The edit has nothing to do with you being an Indian.

 

[gubbi]

Listen carefully indian. Look within your own borders for the answer. Look at the disputed territories. You'll get your answer. We will never shake hands with you till the issue is resolved. Rather than accept that, india prefers to make new ones, like spreading lies about Pakistan, and trying to control flow of water. This man durranis an idiot. Move on.

Now you listen carefully pakistani. YOU need to look within your own borders and find out threads which would define your own unity. Whipping up anti-India sentiments to hold a country together is not going to hold water for long.
(@ mods: I just addressed him in the same language that he uses to address my fellow compatriot. Doesnt sound nice, right? Then why is such language tolerated?)
Btw, you do not have a choice other than extend a genuine hand of friendship towards India, and if you realize soon enough, the earlier the better!

 

[gubbi]

The question is, are you sure its going to be a conventional war? Lets not forget that both sides are nuclear armed. And we're actually a step ahead of our counterparts as far as Nuclear Weapons Delivery systems are concerned.

I think you're assumption is flawed when you say that in case of a convetional/Nuclear war, India wouldn't be on the losing edge. There's a reason why Pakistan maintains a first-strike capability. The nuclear build-up in the region isn't progressing because Pakistan would want to see itself suffer in case of a war with an enemy, thrice its size.

Lets just hope that it doesn't come down to this. If we end up triggering another war, total annihilation would follow for both nations.

In a likely scenario a war erupts between the two neighbors, India with its conventional edge over Pakistan will surely make rapid gains in the initial stages. However Pakistan retains the First-Strike policy.
Imagine, even if Pakistan decides to lob a few missiles from your much vaunted arsenal, India has the capability to easily detect them at launch, if not during preparatory stages! Do you seriously think that Indian decision makers will wait for that missile to cross over and detonate to find out whether its got a conventional load or a nuclear one?
Rest assured any missile launch from Pakistan during a conflict will be treated as a nuclear strike and will call for a massive retaliation. Wanna bet, India will end up launching nukes first?
Like I said in one of earlier posts, First-strike policy is a double edged sword, with one edge much closer to your throats than you think!

 

[Comet]

Now you listen carefully pakistani. YOU need to look within your own borders and find out threads which would define your own unity. Whipping up anti-India sentiments to hold a country together is not going to hold water for long.
(@ mods: I just addressed him in the same language that he uses to address my fellow compatriot. Doesnt sound nice, right? Then why is such language tolerated?)
Btw, you do not have a choice other than extend a genuine hand of friendship towards India, and if you realize soon enough, the earlier the better!

Friendship is necessity of time BUT remember without soving certain issues (namely Kashmir) we cannot be friends. Its not like a few people in the establishment that want war with India, it about he people of Pakistan. The have sentiments for their Kashmiri brothers.

Without solving these issues, the talk of Friendship is absurd!

 

[SalmanNadeem]

The people of Pakistan will do whatever government propaganda tells them. Lets not fool ourselves. If goverment propaganda tells them that Kashmiris are long-lost brothers who need liberation, they will believe it. If it tells them that Kashmiris are citizens of a foreign country and nothing to do with them, they will believe that too.

So stop the propaganda, and start the reverse-propaganda to change the views of Pakistani citizens. Only then will Pakistan be at peace with herself. Otherwise, it will be a continual drain on energy, resources and political capital to always be gunning for Kashmir.

 

[ISRO2]

Listen carefully indian. Look within your own borders for the answer. Look at the disputed territories. You'll get your answer. We will never shake hands with you till the issue is resolved. Rather than accept that, india prefers to make new ones, like spreading lies about Pakistan, and trying to control flow of water. This man durranis an idiot. Move on.

Sir we have no problem pakistan poking nose in india's kashmir as its hurting pakistan all the way. Keep going and destroy your self. Pakistan can't progress until he leaves whining about kashmir sir. Good luck.

 

[ISRO2]

Friendship is necessity of time BUT remember without soving certain issues (namely Kashmir) we cannot be friends. Its not like a few people in the establishment that want war with India, it about he people of Pakistan. The have sentiments for their Kashmiri brothers.

Without solving these issues, the talk of Friendship is absurd!

Sir banglades too pakistan's part. Why dont pakistan claim bangladesh? Why our kashmir? Sir pakistan itself not able to stand on its feets what would he feed to our kashmir? It was india's kashmir who helped pakistan in earth quake crisis sir.

 

[ratolz]

@ratolz: link please

Here's for you.

Pak's intrusions on borders triggered 1965 war: Durrani - Pakistan - World - NEWS - The Times of India

 

[civfanatic]

? Why our kashmir? Sir pakistan itself not able to stand on its feets what would he feed to our kashmir? It was india's kashmir who helped pakistan in earth quake crisis sir.

Mr ISRO....Our Kashmir (LOL). Have you ever been to kashmir? I bet you won't come back in single peice if you say same in Srinagar.Kashmiris are more pakistanis than most Pakistanis .Kashmir prodouces enough to feed itself and so does pakistan . I hope India has enough to feed itself .

 

[R.A.W.]

Mr ISRO....Our Kashmir (LOL). Have you ever been to kashmir? I bet you won't come back in single peice if you say same in Srinagar.Kashmiris are more pakistanis than most Pakistanis .Kashmir prodouces enough to feed itself and so does pakistan . I hope India has enough to feed itself .

Had studied with many Kashmiris and also worked with them as a professional. Never heard of them saying we are Pakistanis. Yeah definitely heard from them to kick off someone who tries to create unrest in Kashmir from across the border............