Pak's ex-NSA meets Doval ! Resumption of Dialogue imminent?

[Judge]

What will we achieve with this?i know kashmir dispute cannpt be solved by dialogues

Pakistan is far too weak to resolve it militarily.
So, I would love to hear how you think it can be resolved.

 

[farhan_9909]

Pakistan is far too weak to resolve it militarily.
So, I would love to hear how you think it can be resolved.

I don't think it can be solved withou a major war.This is the reason i want Pakistan to raise a strong army,atleast 4-5folds more than its present size.Because it will be our only opportunity to not only annex Indian occupied Kashmir from India but even Indian occupied Punjab and Gujarat

 

[ares]

What will we achieve with this?i know kashmir dispute cannpt be solved by dialogues

As proven by your past experiences, you can not "resolve" Kashmir(as per your wishes) by war, you can not do it by proxies, and as per your admission you can not do it by dialogue.

So come what may, Kashmir is an unwinnable conflict for you..so what is the point in continuing it?

 

[Yogijaat]

it will be our only opportunity to not only annex Indian occupied Kashmir from India but even Indian occupied Punjab and Gujarat

lol the last PM was punjabi and current PM is a gujarati
which world you are living in you delusional fool

 

[farhan_9909]

As proven by your past experiences, you can not "resolve" Kashmir(as per your wishes) by war, you can not do it by proxies, and as per your admission you can not do it by dialogue.

So come what may, Kashmir is an unwinnable conflict for you..so what is the point in continuing it?

We can do this time with war,But the Govt and Establishment would have to take the People of Pakistan in confidence.We have no choice but to participate along with our forces in war,this is the reason i said we need to prepare a strong army out of the civilian,a army atleast numbering 20Million people.

On the other hand,if you remember i had already said that india can't even raise a militia of 10k people out of more than a billion.

 

[Judge]

I don't think it can be solved withou a major war.This is the reason i want Pakistan to raise a strong army,atleast 4-5folds more than its present size.Because it will be our only opportunity to not only annex Indian occupied Kashmir from India but even Indian occupied Punjab and Gujarat

Even if Pakistan were to become strong, India would becomes 'stronger' still in the same time period.

For example, in the last decade, our military has expanded faster than Pakistan's has. And GoI has sanctioned further expansion.

As far as Punjab and Gujarat are concerned, let me give you an idea. Pakistan Military is strongest in the J&K sector vis-a-vis Indian Military. And this is not in absolute terms - PA is still weaker than IA even in this sector, but the gap between them is lowest in this sector. Now think...where Pakistan is the strongest(relative to itself in other sectors), it is unable to take anything.

Pakistan military is weakest in Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat sector vis-a-vis Indian military. You can imagine what would happen here.

So, at any given point of time, even if Pakistan were to become strong compared to its position now, it would still be weaker than India and ergo it will never be able to militarily take away Kashmir.

So I ask again, what do you think is the solution for Pakistan?

 

[ares]

I don't think it can be solved withou a major war.This is the reason i want Pakistan to raise a strong army,atleast 4-5folds more than its present size.Because it will be our only opportunity to not only annex Indian occupied Kashmir from India but even Indian occupied Punjab and Gujarat

We can do this time with war,But the Govt and

Establishment would have to take the People of Pakistan in confidence.We have no choice but to

participate along with our forces in war,this is the reason i said we need to prepare a strong army out of the

civilian,a army atleast numbering 20Million people.

On the other hand,if you remember i had already said that india can't even raise a militia of 10k people out

of more than a billion.

Lets say everything you wish for happens, Pakistan raise a huge militia and by some miracle they do manage to defeat Indian army and bla bla..

But what happens, when nukes come into picture, all your cities, armies and militias will be incinerated, off course India will loose too. But in the end, you are a looser nonetheless. Most of your population will perish in such a war , and you still wont have kashmir.

 

[farhan_9909]

Lets say everything you wish for happens, Pakistan raise a huge militia and bla bla..

And the what happens, when nukes come into picture, all your cities, armies and militias will be incinerated, off course India will loose too. But in the end, you are a looser nonetheless. Most of your population will perish in such a war , and you still wont have kashmir.

India doesn't has the capability to destroy Pakistan completely with nukes.Now please don't like a RSS goons

Even if Pakistan were to become strong, India would becomes 'stronger' still in the same time period.

For example, in the last decade, our military has expanded faster than Pakistan's has. And GoI has sanctioned further expansion.

As far as Punjab and Gujarat are concerned, let me give you an idea. Pakistan Military is strongest in the J&K sector vis-a-vis Indian Military. And this is not in absolute terms - PA is still weaker than IA even in this sector, but the gap between them is lowest in this sector. Now think...where Pakistan is the strongest(relative to itself in other sectors), it is unable to take anything.

Pakistan military is weakest in Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat sector vis-a-vis Indian military. You can imagine what would happen here.

So, at any given point of time, even if Pakistan were to become strong compared to its position now, it would still be weaker than India and ergo it will never be able to militarily take away Kashmir.

So I ask again, what do you think is the solution for Pakistan?

I don't care if Pakistan is weaker compared to india or whatever.But it doesn't mean we should give up our territory and kashmiri People to india forever.We cannot forgot the sacrifices our kashmiri brothers are making for us each day passing.

One day,a war in inevitable and believe me,not Pakistan but it will be india getting the higher damage.

 

[ares]

India doesn't has the capability to destroy Pakistan completely with nukes.Now please don't like a RSS goons

How many nukes does it take to destroy a country a size and population of Pakistan?
I believe your AQ khan gave the answer.

But here is the thing, you still dont win Kashmir, how can you win anything, when you are dead?

 

[farhan_9909]

Don't mistake

Pakistanis for 71 or 65.We only had sticks to fight in the past,today our legally issued guns per capita is among the top in the world when in reality the registered guns in pakistan are not even 10% of the total.

Believe me,Pakistanis like me or in short the majority will be happy to fight against india

How many nukes does it take to destroy a country a size and population of Pakistan?
I believe your AQ khan gave the answer.

But here is the thing, you still dont win Kashmir, how can you win anything, when you are dead?

Atleast more than 100k nukes will be required to destroy Pakistan considering of the 20KN as standard warhead yield

Effects of nuclear explosions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ares]

Don't mistake

Pakistanis for 71 or 65.We only had sticks to fight in the past,today our legally issued guns per capita is among the top in the world when in reality the registered guns in pakistan are not even 10% of the total.

Believe me,Pakistanis like me or in short the majority will be happy to fight against india

Having a gun in a household ,doesnt make you win wars, or you would be loosing the war in your tribal areas...where each and every man has a gun.

 

[OrionHunter]

Talks should resume but only when they promise to address our concerns regarding militancy in Kashmir. I am sure Ajit Doval will have similar thoughts.

Pakistan addressing our concerns on Kashmir? Lol! The PA's reason for its very existence is keeping Kashmir on the boil!

 

[farhan_9909]

Having a gun in a household ,doesnt make you win wars, or you would be loosing the war in your tribal areas...where each and every man has a gun.

Yes but not everyone in the tribal area is against Pakistan.The point is that the indian dream of breaking Pakistan or doing something of the scale of 71 is not possible.

Pakistanis today are way different than they were 40years back.As i said earlier,not Pakistan but it will be india getting a greater damage.

 

[ares]

Don't mistake

Pakistanis for 71 or 65.We only had sticks to fight in the past,today our legally issued guns per capita is among the top in the world when in reality the registered guns in pakistan are not even 10% of the total.

Believe me,Pakistanis like me or in short the majority will be happy to fight against india



Atleast more than 100k nukes will be required to destroy Pakistan considering of the 20KN as standard warhead yield

Effects of nuclear explosions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nonsense, Pakistan will cease exist even if half a dozen of your major cities are taken out.
India-Pakistan Nuclear War Would Kill 2 Billion People, End Civilization: Report

The fact is you can not win this war, either conventionally or even un conventionally.

Yes but not everyone in the tribal area is against Pakistan.The point is that the indian dream of breaking Pakistan or doing something of the scale of 71 is not possible.

Pakistanis today are way different than they were 40years back.As i said earlier,not Pakistan but it will be india getting a greater damage.

The one which is more power full inflicts greater damage, that is the law of nature.

 

[Rank]

Talks should resume but only when they promise to address our concerns regarding militancy in Kashmir. I am sure Ajit Doval will have similar thoughts.

Talks should resume but only when they promise to address our concerns regarding militancy in Pakistan from Afghanistan and consulates who are there for providing rotyaan and for so called welfare work. I am sure Durrani will have similar thoughts.