How did about 1.5lakh Pakistani Soldiers, and Administrative officers get to Bangladesh without Docking facilities ?... along with all that fighter Planes, Tanks and artillery ?... Flying carpet ?
Planes, Cargo Ships? Even today, military equipment is transported through cargo carriers/super carriers and not through war ships/submarines that require special docking/repair facilities. The case was specially true in the '50's and '60's and specifically factual for Submarines.
Did you know that one of the grievousness of Bengali population, amongst many others that eventually led them to the freedom struggle, was inadequate defence for them during the 1965 war? I guess Bangladesh just wasn't considered important enough, which was quite unfair.
Apologized for what.. pushing Pakistan into war against Taliban. ?
You know what you were talking about and you know what I was talking about.
You mean to say it has been put on use without proper testing ?
I gave the example of the Silkworm missile which Pakistan uses... was unable to sink a 1000ton Israeli ship... and the amusing fact that the ship sailed back to service soon enough.
I did not say that Barak system would be in place without testing, infact I appreciated the fact that Israel was a part of development which makes the system quite formidable. However, I also said that no system was 100% fool proof and any system of the world can be overwhelmed.
The silkworm missile that you are referring to was 1970's technology which was able to defeat Israeli defences and hit the ship. 1 Missile was unable to sink the ship but was able to cause great damaged to it. Any country with access to such technology would have fired 2-3 missiles atleast which in turn would have sunk the ship. And we are 5 decades ahead of that technology now.
Finally, both China and Pakistan are engaged in possible BM's for sea based slow moving targets such as Aircraft Carriers. China specially has developed the DF-21D Aircraft Killer BM. All I mean is, as offence evolves, so will defence.
To Hit the ship you need to pass through its defenses.... your ships would have to face the Brahmos missiles which are known to sink Ships without using warheads.
Neither the PN or PAF have enough capability for a saturation attack from air... incidently the Indian navy had such capability from long time... which is also being enhanced to higher levels.
The problem with Brahmos is its limited range, while it may still be tracked and shot down by CIWS mounted on almost all battle ships. Just because it is fast it does not mean that it is unbeatable. Otherwise the US would have invested in such missiles too unlike her investment in the slower, more stealth Tomahawk CM. Furthermore, while Brahmos equipped ships have to come within 290 km's of their intended targets, Babur/Ra'ad can target these ships at twice the distance.
The damage of Radiation is never small when the photos of Burnt down bodies of children with blisters and other radiation related disease start coming up... the rest of the Public of Pakistan would also be enraged... the effect remains for 100+ years when kids would be born with Physical and mental deficiencies... and would never forget what their own saviors did to them... Pathetic.
Already the Tribals in NWFP and Baluchistan are tired of the small co-lateral killings and damages done by Military to them... the Nuke is only going to increase it to much-much higher level... in simple words it would act as the catalyst to already down faith of Public in their govt. If not finish whatever hope is stopping them from toppling the administration right away.
Should I show you the Population density map of Pakistan ?.. what are you supposed to do once both Lahore and the Thar region... nuke Thar and leave Lahore ?
Even while at LOC small mortar artillery shelling kill as many as half a dozen.. people.. and you talk of Battle field nukes.
Front lines would be evacuated as the first step to war along with advance of defence force. BF Tactical Nukes small enough, especially those that are designed to produce a very low/acceptable level of radiation would still be used in the severest conditions which have never been faced this side of the border before. So it will be a weapon of choice when all else fails, as I am sure India would not hesitate in using Nuclear Weapons if their military is run over by PakMil and their territorial integrity is challenged.
And when you speak of Tribals that are under pressure by the military, you speak of nationalists who want to break away from Pakistan. You speak of 5%, 3 tribes out of 72 tribes! You have more such movements but have imposed a media blackout unlike here in Pakistan. These problems are a part of our system which is still not streamlined. It's nothing that we cannot handle.
You have not moved any where.
The Chinese submarine technology is anywhere but less that what Russian had during 70s.
The Submarine was allowed to get close enough... in that case with US navy exercise.
Prepared for what... Brahmos ?
You may believe what you want, facts state otherwise. The Chinese submarine technology has progressed to a state where they no longer rely on Russian submarines. It's not only their submarine technology but also their stealth fighter technology which is considered superior to the Russian designed PAK-FA and FGFA. Chinese advancements today are considerably quicker then Russians so in the near future, anything that you get your hands on, we will get better of.
Yeah you surrendered to Bangladesh infact... those hardly armed peasant Bengali soldiers armed with spades and sticks got your 90 000 troops surrendered... isn't it ?
Infact they lost the war.
They should have gone ahead and dealt with it once for all... and we won't be discussing about Pakistan.
You forgot to answer my question, what do you have to show for '71? Bangladesh has everything that was lost by Pakistan, what did you gain? And if that was indeed correct, why could you not cross even an inch of LoC or Border in '99 and again in '02? I will wait for an honest answer.
US crossed into into Iraq 12 years after they won the war against them along with allies.... in mean time they made it weak... and put it always under pressure through frequent military built ups.
They have been doing same with Iran since a long time.. did the same with Libya... thaty doesn't mean they don't have courage.
Indian Military and too have been very successful in this regard as far as the current situation in Pakistan shows.
LOL.......comparing US tactics to Indian cowardice?
In '99 India was at WAR with Pakistan! Yet even then you could not dare cross an inch or attack positions this side of the border. Hell you could not even reclaim all the peaks at Kargil despite sending in 6-8 times more soldiers and 10 squadrons of IAF!
You don't understand cold start.. cold start is specifically for mechanized strike divisions... they won't take more than 3 days to reach Pakistan from their bases any where in India... besides Jaisalmer would soon have a strike division.
And those military build ups.. did have a significant role in reducing Terrorist activities in India..
We have heard talks of your mechanized divisions reaching Pakistan in 48 hours a lot of times before too. What happened when it mattered the most is evident to all. Musharraf, in his goodwill to India, imposed ban on support to Kashmiri freedom fighters ever since he came in to power (1999). It's a bad reflex addiction of Indians to blame Pakistan for all internal problems!
Barak 1 can engage them with ease... even Akash SAM can engage them as effectively.
I would replace the word you used 'can' with 'may' and I would agree then. However, how many surface vessels does IN possess? And how many of these missiles does PN possess? The ratio has to be in excess of 1:10 right? Which means that the ships will not be targeted with single units but rather they would be engaged with a barrage of missiles. Missiles, mind you, that have state of the art counter measures to evade systems such as Barak. Only a real engagement would tell you the real story as otherwise everything is hearsay.
PNS Ghazi lies at the bottom of the sea... some parts in the museum I guess... yes IN showed its capabilities.
Today it is more advanced and has a Growing submarine fleet.. which includes SSN aswell as SSBN.
The AC carrier was out of the port and in the sea near... Andamand while your PNS ghazi perished looking for it near the port... thats was the difference between IN and PN... two steps ahead even in thinking.
You started with '65 and we all know how PNS Ghazi single handedly kept the whole IN at bay! Even in '71, she could have served her purpose had she not been in the accident. In which dreams could IN do anything to PNS Ghazi?
That's what you learned from '65, similarly we learned from '71 and are prepared accordingly.
... If it couldn't be tested at 2500 km due to the tracking problems , then I would take the Chairman word's of the same organization that developed the missile any day that the range is actually much long than what is being reported ...
Use google maps , kid ... This false sense of security isn't going to help you ...
... Just waiting for the right time , stay tuned ...
