Pakistan's terrible idea to develop battlefield nukes

[Secur]

Not reached...has been crossed for both nations .

Not for your's still since there's no threat to your existence , while we have ...

 

[Riteon]

Not for your's still since there's no threat to your existence , while we have ...

Use of tactical nuke is same as use of nuke....hence India's no first use policy will stay valid and India will also enter the nuclear arms scenario.............hence for both

 

[Secur]

Use of tactical nuke is same as use of nuke....hence India's no first use policy will stay valid and India will also enter the nuclear arms scenario.............hence for both

Well , it isn't ... The nukes aren't falling on Indian cities but rather on invading forces ... Not our fault or problem if you do not differentiate between the two and are ready to risk billions for a couple IBG's !

Ok , let me assure you we will not blink first , if history is any indication ...

 

[DARKY]

Indeed , the first thought in my mind when I saw your very post dreaming of the best case scenario for your country and the worst case for others ... You talk about Plutonium enrichment capability of Pakistan ? Ever heard of Khushab reactor ?



Khushab Nuclear Complex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let me help you , kid ... Pakistan is fast shifting its focus to a plutonium based nuclear program and there isn't a single indication of any operational plutonium based warhead in your inventory except for your fan boy statements and fantasy thinking ! You only have a single FBR operational as at now , lying and distorting facts about having 7 of them operational wont change the reality on ground , will it ? ... Some future planning doesn't count ( enough experience with Indian deadlines and their continuous extensions ) since even we have a lot of plans for the future , shall i begin posting about them ?

Really ? Another God's exclusive gift to India ? ... What are you smoking to think that you are the only country in the world to have a single FBR ?

Those who think their country has achieved some milestone by deploying nuclear bombs on an aircraft and Pakistan doesn't have enough delivery methods need not post even ...

It is not even funny anymore.

As I said before get some EDUCATION before coming on a Public forum and making a comedy to yourself and embarrassing other members from your country.

I also issued a warning on that post that UNEDUCATED people must not read that.. now since you cannot read the Precautionary warning.. I would take the painful effort to show you something which you can learn and avoid being a mockery in front of other people specially from outside Pakistan since the standard of education is not as pathetic as you have been demonstrating for them.

look for the marking Pu-239... now since you don't know what is that.
Pu=Plutonium and 239 is mass number.
Here's the Periodic Table you can use it.
Interactive Periodic Table

Now coming to reactor side.

FBR=Fast Breeder Reactor

Khushab Reactor is a HWR... and not FBR.

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khushab_Nuclear_Complex

Indian FBRs generate power in excess of 550-700MW not 40-50MW and are 7 in number.. No country in the world operates as many FBR.. France had one but.. they were shutting it down.

Hence In comparison to Pakistan's plutonium enrichment capabilities.. Indian Plutonium enrichment capabilities are more than 50times at least.

Now you can cry a river for me... but don't miss the School on Monday for wasting time here.

 

[Ticker]

@ Ticker - Blockading Pakistani ports cannot invite nuclear strike.

This is a declared Pakistani nuclear threshold as indicated in an interview with foreign journalists by General Kidwai, the head of Strategic Plans Division.

You may not believe him - I do.

 

[ajtr]

This is a declared Pakistani nuclear threshold as indicated in an interview with foreign journalists by General Kidwai, the head of Strategic Plans Division.

You may not believe him - I do.

There is no redline for pakistan pent up in air with missiles replicas on roads for something going on in Palestine......

 

[Desert Fox]

@ Ticker - Blockading Pakistani ports cannot invite nuclear strike.

india cannot blockade Pakistani ports, perhaps in indian armchair generals dreams, but in real life your navy will make nice artificial coral reefs. This isn't 1971, Pakistan has potent ASM's that can send your ships to join the Little Mermaid and Spongebob where your navy will sing "under the sea" with the little crab.

 

[rockstarIN]

india cannot blockade Pakistani ports, perhaps in indian armchair generals dreams, but in real life your navy will make nice artificial coral reefs. This isn't 1971, Pakistan has potent ASM's that can send your ships to join the Little Mermaid and Spongebob where your navy will sing "under the sea" with the little crab.

Even your Navy Chief won't say that.

There is less area only to cover.

This is a declared Pakistani nuclear threshold as indicated in an interview with foreign journalists by General Kidwai, the head of Strategic Plans Division.

You may not believe him - I do.

If it is true, its like China's warning series. lol

 

[Armstrong]

This is a declared Pakistani nuclear threshold as indicated in an interview with foreign journalists by General Kidwai, the head of Strategic Plans Division.

You may not believe him - I do.

Ticker yaaar waisee eik cheez tou bataaa - Why is that we're the ones who're always portrayed as having a conundrum ? If you (Pakistan) use the nukes, albeit battlefield nukes, that means the 'no-nuclear' thing is violated and we're under no compulsion to fOok you over even if it means using nukes. Why doesn't it ever go to the tune of - We've just parked our air-craft carrier a hundred Kms from Karachi....what if the Pakistanis target the flotilla with a couple of battlefield nukes ? What then ? Our men our dead, our boats are sitting at the bottom of the ocean...do we reply back by using battlefield nukes in turn on their FOBs, their formations etc or is that going to escalate things so much that they'd be willing to do everything nuclear just short of bombing our cities ? What then..? Should we proceed...shouldn't we proceed ? Perhaps we shouldn't have parked the carrier there or perhaps we shouldn't have crossed the LOC over or perhaps a limited conflict is the only possible thing on the card or do we call their bluff, if it is a bluff, and carry through with an all-out war ? What if we're wrong...? What happens then ?

I personally think that unanswered, unquantifiable and yet cruelly important questions like that being asked and sought answers of on both sides is what the 'Nuclear Deterrent' is all about ! Tuu bataaa is that line of reasoning correct or am I assuming too much ?

 

[Desert Fox]

Even your Navy Chief won't say that.

And why should he/would he say that?

There is less area only to cover.

It all comes down to how many ships india is willing to dedicate to a blockade and which ports it plans to blockade. Now we have Gwadar which is farther from indian waters and would require indian navy ships to get really close to have any sort of effective blockade, but that would bring them into the range of Pakistan's ASM's C-802, C-803, Exocet, AGM-84 Harpoon, C-201, C-801.

 

[Ticker]

There is no redline for pakistan pent up in air with missiles replicas on roads for something going on in Palestine......

What has Palestine got to do with Pakistan's nuclear thresholds.

 

[Secur]

It is not even funny anymore.

As I said before get some EDUCATION before coming on a Public forum and making a comedy to yourself and embarrassing other members from your country.

I also issued a warning on that post that UNEDUCATED people must not read that.. now since you cannot read the Precautionary warning.. I would take the painful effort to show you something which you can learn and avoid being a mockery in front of other people specially from outside Pakistan since the standard of education is not as pathetic as you have been demonstrating for them.

Now coming to reactor side.

FBR=Fast Breeder Reactor

Khushab Reactor is a HWR... and not FBR.

Indian FBRs generate power in excess of 550-700MW not 40-50MW and are 7 in number.. No country in the world operates as many FBR.. France had one but.. they were shutting it down.

Hence In comparison to Pakistan's plutonium enrichment capabilities.. Indian Plutonium enrichment capabilities are more than 50times at least.

Now you can cry a river for me... but don't miss the School on Monday for wasting time here.

Tell you what , kid ... It started being funny as hell when you posted your first comment in this very thread , full of biased views , facts distortion , nonsensical , unrealistic and the ultimate best scenarios for your country !

You were saying something about India being the only country in the world to develop FBR ? What about that claim ? Or again like the rest , it was merely fantasy and wishful thinking ! Speaks volumes about who should get primary education first before coming to debate here ... Embarrassing themselves by imagining best case scenario for themselves and worst for others is an Indian mentality , the same that they do as overestimating themselves and underestimating others ...

Talking about education , need i remind you of the " IQ theory " for the empty rhetoric you have been using all along and not sound arguments and facts ?

Coming to the nuclear side , just enlighten me about the 7 FBR's that are operational according to you as we speak , because facts prove otherwise !

This is the current stage of your FBR program ... Even this single FBR ( there's no need to 's after the FBR since there is only one at the moment ) of yours is not operational , whom are you trying to fool , kid ! So if they aren't operational , they sure as hell cant generate the power you mentioned ...

At present the scientists of the Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research (IGCAR), one of the nuclear R & D institutions of India, are engaged in the construction (already in its final stages) of another FBR — the 500 MWe prototype fast breeder reactor - at Kalpakkam, near Chennai,[29] with plans to build more as part of its three stage nuclear power program.

Whatever is planned for the future and yet to materialize , is not considered " operational "

India to have 6 fast breeder reactors
New Delhi, Feb 17, 2012, DHNS:

As the Indian Prototype Fast Breeder Reactor (PFBR) nears completion, the Centre plans to build six commercial fast breeder reactors in the next 15 years.

India to have 6 fast breeder reactors

So first research a little bit , get your facts straight and then come here and brag about things that do not yet exist ! Given the 15 years time for your future reactors and taking your past records into consideration , it seems highly improbably that even those 6 can be completed in 15 years ! Meanwhile , strategists in Pakistan will not be sleeping and development will not cease ... If you are producing weapon grade plutonium , so is Pakistan ... How do you assume otherwise even in the presence of overwhelming evidence ?

You can even call it 1000 times more , wont change the reality on ground ... Pakistan has completed Khushab I and II reactors and the third one is nearly complete with the fourth one under development ... Fascinating eye opener for a fanboy , right ? If Pakistan can currently produce enough weapon-grade plutonium for making 40-50 warheads a year than think of the extent of that capability when the third and fourth ones at Khushab are completed !

In late 2006, the Institute for Science and International Security released intelligence reports and imagery showing the construction of a new plutonium reactor at the Khushab nuclear site. The reactor is deemed to be large enough to produce enough plutonium to facilitate the creation of as many as "40 to 50 nuclear weapons a year."[57][58][59]

About the future of the Pakistani nuclear program which you are so keen to discuss ...

A third and a fourth[4] reactor and ancillary buildings are observed to be under construction at the Khushab site, although details have not been confirmed by the Pakistani government. The third unit is nearly complete as of 2010. Judging by external appearance the two new reactors are similar or identical to the second in design.[5] Plutonium production and nuclear reprocessing facilities are also being expanded at Khushab, New Labs and Chashma, signalling Pakistan's shift to a plutonium-based nuclear weapons program.

Now cry me a river and mourn the day the Buddha smiled and gave Pakistan the nod to develop its nuclear program and stop making a fool of yourself here ... I can quote almost a dozen fanboy posts by you in this very thread , stupid and funny as hell and you wont be able to answer even one of them ! So pack your bag before you face any further humiliation ...

 

[Ticker]

Ticker yaaar waisee eik cheez tou bataaa - Why is that we're the ones who're always portrayed as having a conundrum ? If you (Pakistan) use the nukes, albeit battlefield nukes, that means the 'no-nuclear' thing is violated and we're under no compulsion to fOok you over even if it means using nukes. Why doesn't it ever go to the tune of - We've just parked our air-craft carrier a hundred Kms from Karachi....what if the Pakistanis target the flotilla with a couple of battlefield nukes ? What then ? Our men our dead, our boats are sitting at the bottom of the ocean...do we reply back by using battlefield nukes in turn on their FOBs, their formations etc or is that going to escalate things so much that they'd be willing to do everything nuclear just short of bombing our cities ? What then..? Should we proceed...shouldn't we proceed ? Perhaps we shouldn't have parked the carrier there or perhaps we shouldn't have crossed the LOC over or perhaps a limited conflict is the only possible thing on the card or do we call their bluff, if it is a bluff, and carry through with an all-out war ? What if we're wrong...? What happens then ?

I personally think that unanswered, unquantifiable and yet cruelly important questions like that being asked and sought answers of on both sides is what the 'Nuclear Deterrent' is all about ! Tuu bataaa is that line of reasoning correct or am I assuming too much ?

May I please attempt to reply this question tomorrow. I will.

 

[EzioAltaïr]

india cannot blockade Pakistani ports, perhaps in indian armchair generals dreams, but in real life your navy will make nice artificial coral reefs. This isn't 1971, Pakistan has potent ASM's that can send your ships to join the Little Mermaid and Spongebob where your navy will sing "under the sea" with the little crab.

You speak like only Pakistan has ASMs, no one else does.

 

[Secur]

You speak like only Pakistan has ASMs, no one else does.

Actually no , some here are assuming every single best case scenario for their country and worst for others , they are thinking about facing no resistance from the PA , crossing borders by surprise as we are sleeping at the borders , capturing our land , expecting Pakistanis to support them on this invasion and then thinking that they can win a nuclear war if Islamabad chooses to start one !

I urge you to go through the thread and see who they are and from which country do they belong