Pakistan's Silence On China's Uighur Muslims Is Betraying Its National Character

[beijingwalker]

No we don't allow...but Rebellion for them, could be freedom fighters for others as they are fighting to retain their Islamic identity.
It's ironic that we try so hard to defend what China is doing. Uighur are rebellions, also in their case Islam is not attacked...how ever where it suits us, we pull-in both Islam and Freedom ... like in Kashmir...and I don't mind as we should be raising Kashmir issue...but why not Uighur?

It has nothing to do with religion, a while ago in Kazakhstan, ethnic Chinese Muslims Dungan people , (Hui Muslims called in China), were being attacked, people butchered, houses burned down, but just because they are ethnic Chinese, no one cares, no intensive internaitonal news coverage. western media propaganda machines only care about anything can be used to smear China, for incidents that won't help with this course, they just ignore and turn a blind eye.

 

[PakistaniJunior]

What Pakistanis should realize at this point is that Pakistan isn't the protector of all of the muslim nations around the world. We were created for the protection of subcontinental muslims. Why Kashmir belongs to us is more than just Religion, they are subcontinental muslims like us who fought for the freedom of Pakistan (Allama Iqbal) and were unfairly annexed against their will. They are a part of partition's unfinished business that needs to be resolved if Pakistan truly wants to be complete. They are culturally, ethnically and traditionally similar to Pakistanis than Indians as well as being Muslims.

It is this naive mentality that has left us in so much trouble over the past 70 years. We need to look after our own interests and well being. Right now, majority of our beloved Muslim brothers aren't even our allies. If you fear that Pakistanis are being hypocritical, then the other muslims that could've helped us but didn't are equal hypocrites. Before China, they had a chance to help us however did they? If they were such amazing allies they would've been more helpful for our cause? We've been forced to this point and we don't have any other option. China's interest align with us at the moment, they are our most beneficial partner. If we ruin this relationship like some of you idiots want then how the hell will we survive any future international resolutions made against us? Do we have enough Oil like Iran to still manage to stand tall? We're not being hypocrites, we're trying to survive and build this nation up. We're not in it for the money, we're in it for our own survival. We're alone in our cause and that's the simple harsh truth. Even after advocating this image of " Pakistan = Islam, so help us " how many concrete allies came forward when India annexed Kashmir Last year??

Allah says to have faith in him, true. Allah also says to play smart and hard for his help to work. Right now, only the situation of Kashmiri muslims is within our hands and we can only advocate for that. That should be our utmost priority. As a poster already posted here, the issue with Uighurs is that they think of themselves as Turkic first and that is their whole issue. There are Han chinese muslims in China as well. So even if Pakistan plays the muslim card there the Han muslims should also be taken into the equation. Why doesn't the western media highlights them? There are more than one reasons why a East Turkestan is bad news for us.

 

[zhxy]

What Pakistanis should realize at this point is that Pakistan isn't the protector of all of the muslim nations around the world. We were created for the protection of subcontinental muslims. Why Kashmir belongs to us is more than just Religion, they are subcontinental muslims like us who fought for the freedom of Pakistan (Allama Iqbal) and were unfairly annexed against their will. They are a part of partition's unfinished business that needs to be resolved if Pakistan truly wants to be complete. They are culturally, ethnically and traditionally similar to Pakistanis than Indians as well as being Muslims.

It is this naive mentality that has left us in so much trouble over the past 70 years. We need to look after our own interests and well being. Right now, majority of our beloved Muslim brothers aren't even our allies. If you fear that Pakistanis are being hypocritical, then the other muslims that could've helped us but didn't are equal hypocrites. Before China, they had a chance to help us however did they? If they were such amazing allies they would've been more helpful for our cause? We've been forced to this point and we don't have any other option. China's interest align with us at the moment, they are our most beneficial partner. If we ruin this relationship like some of you idiots want then how the hell will we survive any future international resolutions made against us? Do we have enough Oil like Iran to still manage to stand tall? We're not being hypocrites, we're trying to survive and build this nation up. We're not in it for the money, we're in it for our own survival. We're alone in our cause and that's the simple harsh truth. Even after advocating this image of " Pakistan = Islam, so help us " how many concrete allies came forward when India annexed Kashmir Last year??

Allah says to have faith in him, true. Allah also says to play smart and hard for his help to work. Right now, only the situation of Kashmiri muslims is within our hands and we can only advocate for that. That should be our utmost priority. As a poster already posted here, the issue with Uighurs is that they think of themselves as Turkic first and that is their whole issue. There are Han chinese muslims in China as well. So even if Pakistan plays the muslim card there the Han muslims should also be taken into the equation. Why doesn't the western media highlights them? There are more than one reasons why a East Turkestan is bad news for us.

I appreciate your opinion, as Deng XiaoPing said "white cats, black cats don't matter. Catching mice is a good cat"

 

[Myth_buster_1]

I am 100% sure that without ICBM DongFeng, China would be attacked by the United States and Turkey, then torn to pieces. True or false does not matter, you must first be strong to protect yourself

It would be like Vietnam war 100x.

 

[zhxy]

It would be like Vietnam war 100x.

If you don't have the power, no one will listen to you explain

 

[beijingwalker]

There are more than one reasons why a East Turkestan is bad news for us.

Yes and simply, Pakistan's going to have another Afghanistan to its east, the only peaceful border will have to be heavily guarded cause this new country is very likely to become an US and Indian puppet since all their so called exile government and officials operate in and being sponsored by US.

Pakistan will lose its only foreign supply line which is vital to sustain Pakistan in case of war and crisis, Pakistan will have to stretch its already thin resources to guard all its borders with India, Iran, Afghanistan and this new volatile state, if Pakistani goes to war with India, it goes to it all by itself without a major supply partner.

I beat out my brain but still can't figure out why some Pakistanis here want to see this result.

 

[JackTheRipper]

Ban this @$$h0l3

 

[TMA]

No we don't allow...but Rebellion for them, could be freedom fighters for others as they are fighting to retain their Islamic identity.
It's ironic that we try so hard to defend what China is doing. Uighur are rebellions, also in their case Islam is not attacked...how ever where it suits us, we pull-in both Islam and Freedom ... like in Kashmir...and I don't mind as we should be raising Kashmir issue...but why not Uighur?

Cos Kashmir is a part of Pakistan occupied by Bharat. East Turkistan is not.
Should east Turkestan ever become independent it would become a US/Zionist proxy a bit like the Kabul regime and cause massive headaches for Pakistan and other Muslim countries in the region. That is why there is so much "news" about the "oppression". What they don't tell you is the CIA and Zionist Saudi are very interested in "helping" them.

 

[SD 10]

Cos Kashmir is a part of Pakistan occupied by Bharat. East Turkistan is not.
Should east Turkestan ever become independent it would become a US/Zionist proxy a bit like the Kabul regime and cause massive headaches for Pakistan and other Muslim countries in the region. That is why there is so much "news" about the "oppression". What they don't tell you is the CIA and Zionist Saudi are very interested in "helping" them.

exactly but people who are driven by emotions will never understand this!

 

[American Pakistani]

..and what if IOK Muslims are much better than Rohingyas...will you stop vouching for IOK Muslims then?

Mr fool, do you know pakistan has the largest number of rohingya refugees until current rohingya crises.

I used them as an analogy.....to give you example.

On doing...similar to Rohingyas...what have you done for Kashmiri Muslims other than raising voice?
They are better than Rohingyas because they at least have a home to live and food to eat... lock down is is better than being Abandoned by your state and the world. I am not justifying if that is right but it is better than what Rohingyan are facing...and you are mute in their case because it doesn't suit your agenda.....simple.

Rohingya is none of our business. Kashmiris are our business. Kashmir was in our fore fathers pakistan dream. K in Pakistan stands for Kashmir. Learn proper facts first before debating.

Muslims laugh at us that solve your Kashmir first before becoming leader of Muslim world.

I beat out my brain but still can't figure out why some Pakistanis here want to see this result.

If these Pakistanis had a brain, Pakistan would be on par with European countries. We were held back by these types of duffers. Countries like South Korea, Malaysia, etc copied us and leap forward while these buffoons with no brain pulled us to some age.

Cos Kashmir is a part of Pakistan occupied by Bharat. East Turkistan is not.
Should east Turkestan ever become independent it would become a US/Zionist proxy a bit like the Kabul regime and cause massive headaches for Pakistan and other Muslim countries in the region. That is why there is so much "news" about the "oppression". What they don't tell you is the CIA and Zionist Saudi are very interested in "helping" them.

Look at Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Oman, Iran, KSA, UAE, etc all these so called Muslim govts are b of India. And these buffoons want another Bharti proxy at our door steps to destabilize Gilgit Baltistan.

exactly but people who are driven by emotions will never understand this!

Bharti know how to do propaganda and what would work on Pakistanis. So they started this religion nonsense in sinking so Pakistanis fall just because of religion.

 

[SD 10]

Mr fool, do you know pakistan has the largest number of rohingya refugees until current rohingya crises.






Bharti know how to do propaganda and what would work on Pakistanis. So they started this religion nonsense in sinking so Pakistanis fall just because of religion.

DHootis wont succeed IA.

 

[flameboard]

Pakistan was build for Muslims of subcont. pakistani nay tahka liya howa hai saray muslims ka? No wonder why Pakistan is isolated from muslim world in regards to kashmir.
As for Uighurs.
Try to build a minaret in some western countries and while you are at it try to discuss jihad in a mosque and see what happens to you
Every country has its own laws, China just takes it to next level and then western propaganda factory takes it to even higher level.

I live in a non Muslim country and go to a mosque with really tall minarets public officials come to the mosque in every election to try and get our vote. China has done many great things but here it is severely lacking.

The Pakistanis that’s made Pakistan also funded Turkey on the basis of Muslim solidarity. Today Turkey continues to have excellent relations with Pakistan, built and strengthened by recognition of those efforts.

Pakistan isn’t entirely isolated. I’d say other muslim countries often have corrupt rulers that are looking out for the interests of non muslim countries. Everybody knows how screwed up MBS is.

OIC was a real thing in the past with a real punch. The Suez Canal Crisis was a real thing. Pakistan helping Bosnians against Serbs was real. Iran sending Pakistan supplies for free during war with India was also a real thing.

China is stepping up but your allies can be flexible to your interests and you shouldn’t let them make mistakes.

how do you think Pakistan can make other countries care and act on Kashmir?

 

[PakistaniJunior]

I live in a non Muslim country and go to a mosque with really tall minarets public officials come to the mosque in every election to try and get our vote. China has done many great things but here it is severely lacking.

The Pakistanis that’s made Pakistan also funded Turkey on the basis of Muslim solidarity. Today Turkey continues to have excellent relations with Pakistan, built and strengthened by recognition of those efforts.

Pakistan isn’t entirely isolated. I’d say other muslim countries often have corrupt rulers that are looking out for the interests of non muslim countries. Everybody knows how screwed up MBS is.

OIC was a real thing in the past with a real punch. The Suez Canal Crisis was a real thing. Pakistan helping Bosnians against Serbs was real. Iran sending Pakistan supplies for free during war with India was also a real thing.

China is stepping up but your allies can be flexible to your interests and you shouldn’t let them make mistakes.

how do you think Pakistan can make other countries care and act on Kashmir?

What China decides to build or not build in its territory is strictly China's own business. Pakistan cannot dictate what the Chinese should and shouldn't do in their territories and vice versa. It is simply none of our business.

The truth is that Pakistan can never make other countries support it on Kashmir based on morality alone. For them to support our side, their interests should align with ours first. If they gain any advantage by supporting us on Kashmir, then they'll do it. This is why majority of other nations bid India and Pakistan against eachother with no one really stepping up to resolve the issue forcefully. Why? because if Kashmir Issue is resolved we won't need to mass buy weapons from them.

Politics aren't played on the basis of emotion alone. Both China and Turkey gain something by supporting us. Morality is just an excuse to push interests. The question is, what are you going to do to survive in such a world?

 

[flameboard]

What China decides to build or not build in its territory is strictly China's own business. Pakistan cannot dictate what the Chinese should and shouldn't do in their territories and vice versa. It is simply none of our business.

The truth is that Pakistan can never make other countries support it on Kashmir based on morality alone. For them to support our side, their interests should align with ours first. If they gain any advantage by supporting us on Kashmir, then they'll do it. This is why majority of other nations bid India and Pakistan against eachother with no one really stepping up to resolve the issue forcefully. Why? because if Kashmir Issue is resolved we won't need to mass buy weapons from them.

Politics aren't played on the basis of emotion alone. Both China and Turkey gain something by supporting us. Morality is just an excuse to push interests.

China is swayed so much by public and international opinion so much so their censorship laws a crushing and yet their citizens still try to speak out. China needs a good image to continue to work and issue loans in foreign countries.
Today a countries internal matter is usually not really just an internal matter. We live in a very connected world.

As Muslims it is part of your religion to act on the pain of other Muslims as it is your own pain.

I agree Kashmir is a hard issue to make people care about especially since it means India and Pakistan keep buying weapons. But with good governance and progress we can make that change.

 

[Kaniska]

What China decides to build or not build in its territory is strictly China's own business. Pakistan cannot dictate what the Chinese should and shouldn't do in their territories and vice versa. It is simply none of our business.

The truth is that Pakistan can never make other countries support it on Kashmir based on morality alone. For them to support our side, their interests should align with ours first. If they gain any advantage by supporting us on Kashmir, then they'll do it. This is why majority of other nations bid India and Pakistan against eachother with no one really stepping up to resolve the issue forcefully. Why? because if Kashmir Issue is resolved we won't need to mass buy weapons from them.

Politics aren't played on the basis of emotion alone. Both China and Turkey gain something by supporting us. Morality is just an excuse to push interests. The question is, what are you going to do to survive in such a world?

Nice summarization and Very well explained.