Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[ConcealCarry]

Total costs go up with higher volumes and local production requires high initial investment in facilities, equipment, installation, training, licensing and probably royalties. costs can go down only if you are allowed to export independently (either not possible or with high royalty to safeguard their own financial interests) or they themselves start buying parts from you at a lower cost (win win for both)

Costs can be mitigated by mass production. SCAR is expensive when produced in limited numbers at European factories. Its a modular platform that offers us a Battle Rifle, Designated Marksman Rifle, Short Barrel Rifle, Standard Barrel Rifle, Close Quarters Combat Rifle as well as a Personal Defense Weapon all on one production line. SCAR is like the F-35 of rifles, one solution for all applications a soldier needs in modern battlefield. That said Pakistani solider today is a cutting edge war machine, he needs to be given a fire arm he really deserves. It will boost their morale and confidence as well as their combat capabilities.

 

[Path-Finder]

Bren !

Bren is the one with curved magazine and guy wearing CZ shirt and cap standing in front. the rifle between FN and Serbian rifle is Beretta ARX, higly possible!

 

[ConcealCarry]

Serbia

What flag is the Guy in Blue Jacket?

 

[RAMPAGE]

Bren is the one with curved magazine and guy wearing CZ shirt and cap standing in front. the rifle between FN and Serbian rifle is Beretta ARX, higly possible!

I did saw an Italian flag.

 

[Path-Finder]

I did saw an Italian flag.

FN
Beretta
Serbian M21?
CZ Bren
AK

This is the lineup of rifles being tested and none are chambered in 5.56. All are 7.62

 

[RAMPAGE]

FN
Beretta
Serbian M21?
CZ Bren
AK

This is the lineup of rifles being tested and none are chambered in 5.56. All are 7.62

How can you tell? magazine size?

 

[The Sandman]

Get SCAR-H my fav rifle in BF4 after SAR-21
But seriously SCAR looks like a good option because it has so many modifications and our troops at least deserve a good rifle

 

[Path-Finder]

How can you tell? magazine size?

one comparison between the two ARX rifle you can see the stock is thicker for the large caliber.
FN assumption
CZ Bren has a AK like magazine with a curve tall tail sign for 7.62x39

 

[proka89]

@proka89 which Serbian rifle is that?

Cant say for sure, but if we participate in this, probably some version of Zastava M21.

 

[RAMPAGE]

@Path-Finder

You are correct. The rifle next to the Scar is indeed a Beretta ARX-200 7.62 x 51.

Cheers.

 

[proka89]

Found this on Serbian forum:

Pre par meseci je bio tender za Pakistansku armiju,pucale su po dve puske od svakog ponudjaca do funkcionalnog loma. Svi su otpali izmedju 10 000 i 15 000 metaka,neki i ispod 10 000. Obustavljeno je pucanje sa nasim puskama na 20 000 jer nisu pokazivale znake bilo kakve pohabanosti.

Guy who wrote this works in Zastva and this is from 2013. And translation is:

"A few months ago was the tender for the Pakistani army. Every bidder shoot with two rifles up to functional breakdown of the rifle. All had fallen between 10 000 and 15 000 bullets, some of them under 10, 000. They stopped testing of our rifles after 20 000 bullets, because they were not showing any signs of wear"

 

[That Guy]

There are other rifles too with the same buffet of benefits ...why you are stuck in SCAR ...?

Because the other rifles on offer aren't as good. It's not about obsession, rather it looks like the clear cut winner will be the SCAR, simply because it's the best option available.

@Nattmara the hk-416/7 isn't in the competition.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Because the other rifles on offer aren't as good. It's not about obsession, rather it looks like the clear cut winner will be the SCAR, simply because it's the best option available.

@Nattmara the hk-416/7 isn't in the competition.

Beretta ARX-200 7.62 x 51 is also on the stall and a Beretta is something that Pakistanis understand.

 

[That Guy]

Beretta ARX-200 7.62 x 51 is also on the stall and a Beretta is something that Pakistanis understand.

I doubt it will be picked, it's seen some service in Sindh, so it has a chance, but against the SCAR and even the Bren, it faces an extremely tough challenge.

I'm confident that PA will probably pick SCAR.

 

[ConcealCarry]

Do you know what does that mean?

Excess budget due to inflation means that (for example) last year Rs. 1000 budget (=US$10 at Rs. 100/US$) will now be Rs 1050 this year because now 1 US$=105 PKR, so essentially your budget has gone up by 50 rupees but your purchasing power has not.

Pakistan can easily afford SCARs; it would cost around 1.2-2 billion dollars; for a unit of 600-800 thousand. We have an excess budget of around 2 billion dollars due to inflation. So budget wont be a problem - but the question is; is it worth it?

Your assumption of 50% reduction in production cost is based on what? Lets analyze production cost,
Typically (not all, depending on the complexity and number of operations) production cost of an engineered item in Pakistan would be

Materials = 70 ~ 80%
Direct Labout = 5 ~ 10%
Overheads = 15~20%

Lets assume materials used are basic and easily available and the cost remains the same for the foreign OEM or Pakistan. if is advanced materials, then probably our costs would be much higher due to import at cost+profit basis

Overheads for Pakistan would be very high due to new investment in machinery and equipment, training, setup and trial run costs

That leaves labour, which would be lower than as compared to any foreign manufacturer, but even if we reduce it by 100%, it's only 5-10% cost reduction.

Look at it like this: Pakistan gets 100% ToT for FN SCAR H in return for 10% royalty payed to FN for every rifle produced. Local production will cut the costs by 50% and you'll have a rifle for $1650 after paying $150 to FN.

If we produce 1.1 millioin rifles, FN will gain $165 million worth of profits over the course of 5-10 years.