Pakistan's 'secret' war in Baluchistan
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Subahan Allah.I also saw this program personally although i don't know on which channel it was.may be Geo also had an interview with the grandson of Khan of Kaalat.Whatever it perfectly matches also the date of Pakistan creation 27th Ramdan . It clearly shows that Unlike other Muslim countries Pakistan was created on direct command and favor of ALLAH and Prophet Muhammad(SAWW).ALLAH knows what is Pakistan's Path.Too all those who think they can destroy Pakistan.Think Again.
sorry brother but balochis are a part of Pakistan.They are only demanding their rights.Those asking for INDEPENDENCE are fools and are living outside of Pakistan and don't understand what their people want.And Please don't discuss these types of Issues here because you know of Indian gang raids.They will turn this peaceful thread into another flame war.
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Did someone call for an Indian here?
They're still part of Pakistan, because your government is good..... not like the Indian government
1947.
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yeah but they are feudal. They don't want development or upliftment bc then they lose their grip on their "subjects." Baluchstan initiative is the only good thing this govt is properly addressing. Most of the ethnic nationalist groups are concentrated in kalat region. Most Baluch are most patriotic, like the Pukhtuns in the province. That said, more needs to be done. As for Iran, they also have baluch issue and there also it is most under developed. Problem is also drugs, smuggling and human trafficking which is funding terrorism. We just happen to be on the Afghanistan to Iran to Turkey to Europe smuggling route.
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Lalit Modi slaughtered Gujarati people ?
When did this happen? I thought he is the chairman of IPL, may be I am wrong..
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Lalit Modi slaughtered Gujarati people ?
i guess the dude is talking abt Narendar Modi
The threats to Pakistan's future do not just come from the recent wave of militant attacks, but also from discontent in communities around the country.
Gwadar is almost as remote a town in Pakistan as you can get. On the coast of the country's largest province, Balochistan, close to the Iranian border, it is nearly 2,000km (1,250 miles) from the capital, Islamabad.
Down on the shabby beaches, people earn a living the way they have done for generations, fishing and boat-building.
It might, at first, feel like it is a world away from the violence elsewhere.
But trouble's simmering here too.
'Fight for rights'
In a small, dark, compound, we met members of various separatist groups - the Baloch National Front, Balochistan Republican Party and Balochistan Liberation Army.
The Pakistani government doesn't do anything for us... nobody cares
Shaukat,
Gwadar fisherman
We hear their grievances, and their threats.
"What else do we have left," says Rehman Arif, of the BRP, "except our guns, and to fight for our rights?
"This region of Balochistan, which has seen civilisation for thousands of years, is being oppressed by Pakistan. We're ready to accept assistance from anyone in our fight. We appeal to India for help."
This public plea for help from the country's sworn enemy will alarm Pakistanis.
So too might the fact that almost everyone we came across in the town supported moves for their province to break away from Pakistan.
"The Pakistani government doesn't do anything for us," says Shaukat, a fisherman. "They only work for themselves. We just labour hard, but nobody cares," he says, before wading into the water and clambering onto his boat for another long day at sea.
Poverty here, and right across the province of Balochistan, is on the rise. It is, once again, stirring decades-old feelings of resentment towards the country's establishment.
Many Baloch feel they have been cheated, and that while Pakistan plunders their local resources, like natural gas, coal and copper, local people remain poor.
"We've got nothing," says Tariq Ashraf, a businessman in Gwadar's old quarter. "You can see all the children, look at them, look at the dirt, look at the houses. The politicians just give us promises."
Resentment
The Prime Minister, Yousaf Raza Gilani, has a new promise, and he has come to Gwadar to make it. He tells us his government will develop the port, and bring business and jobs here, for the people of Balochistan.
Haji Saleh Muhammed says jobs don't go to locals
"They were not given their rights for the last 62 years [since the creation of Pakistan], therefore we have launched a package with the title 'Aghaze Huqooq-i-Balochistan' [The beginning of the rights of the people of Balochistan]. That is why I am here."
And it is not just the prime minister. The entire cabinet flies in for, among other things, a meeting on a ship in Gwadar Port.
It was meant to provide a boost to the area, and help attract investment. However, the sight of huge government convoys and reports of the millions of rupees of expenditure on the cabinet meeting did not impress some. Many in Gwadar supported the separatist's call for a strike.
Even with new development projects there is resentment. Many here feel that any benefits that development brings will leave the area.
By chance, not far from the port, clutching a folder, we find Haji Saleh Muhammed.
"I am from Gwadar, I am a port crane operator," he says. He opens the file, that he says he always keeps with him, to show us his qualifications and certificates, received during 12 years working in Dubai.
"I came back to work in my city, but they have brought people from outside. Karachi people are working here, I am just sitting around.
"Gilani says jobs will come here, but most will go to outsiders."
On the beach, we even found a policeman who said the poverty and injustice had got so bad, he would lay down his life for Baloch independence.
Last chance
Prime Minister Gilani reiterated to us his assertion that there was considerable evidence that India is already supporting the Baloch separatists, but accepted that the region had been neglected by Pakistan in the past.
However, he also insisted that the general picture is much better than it appears.
"Balochs are patriotic, 99.9% support Pakistan. There are maybe a handful of people who are towing the foreign agenda of somebody else - we are negotiating with them," he says.
"The time will come when the people themselves will realise that we are on the right path, and they will start supporting us."
Mr Gilani's going to have to work fast here, because it feels like the last chance people are going to give the politicians to reduce poverty and inequality.
If they fail, Balochistan could quite easily become a focal point in Pakistan's destabilisation.
BTW...Mods.. I thought this deserved a seperate thread... You can merge this if ya want .
Gwadar is almost as remote a town in Pakistan as you can get. On the coast of the country's largest province, Balochistan, close to the Iranian border, it is nearly 2,000km (1,250 miles) from the capital, Islamabad.
Down on the shabby beaches, people earn a living the way they have done for generations, fishing and boat-building.
It might, at first, feel like it is a world away from the violence elsewhere.
But trouble's simmering here too.
'Fight for rights'
In a small, dark, compound, we met members of various separatist groups - the Baloch National Front, Balochistan Republican Party and Balochistan Liberation Army.
The Pakistani government doesn't do anything for us... nobody cares
Shaukat,
Gwadar fisherman
We hear their grievances, and their threats.
"What else do we have left," says Rehman Arif, of the BRP, "except our guns, and to fight for our rights?
"This region of Balochistan, which has seen civilisation for thousands of years, is being oppressed by Pakistan. We're ready to accept assistance from anyone in our fight. We appeal to India for help."
This public plea for help from the country's sworn enemy will alarm Pakistanis.
So too might the fact that almost everyone we came across in the town supported moves for their province to break away from Pakistan.
"The Pakistani government doesn't do anything for us," says Shaukat, a fisherman. "They only work for themselves. We just labour hard, but nobody cares," he says, before wading into the water and clambering onto his boat for another long day at sea.
Poverty here, and right across the province of Balochistan, is on the rise. It is, once again, stirring decades-old feelings of resentment towards the country's establishment.
Many Baloch feel they have been cheated, and that while Pakistan plunders their local resources, like natural gas, coal and copper, local people remain poor.
"We've got nothing," says Tariq Ashraf, a businessman in Gwadar's old quarter. "You can see all the children, look at them, look at the dirt, look at the houses. The politicians just give us promises."
Resentment
The Prime Minister, Yousaf Raza Gilani, has a new promise, and he has come to Gwadar to make it. He tells us his government will develop the port, and bring business and jobs here, for the people of Balochistan.
Haji Saleh Muhammed says jobs don't go to locals
"They were not given their rights for the last 62 years [since the creation of Pakistan], therefore we have launched a package with the title 'Aghaze Huqooq-i-Balochistan' [The beginning of the rights of the people of Balochistan]. That is why I am here."
And it is not just the prime minister. The entire cabinet flies in for, among other things, a meeting on a ship in Gwadar Port.
It was meant to provide a boost to the area, and help attract investment. However, the sight of huge government convoys and reports of the millions of rupees of expenditure on the cabinet meeting did not impress some. Many in Gwadar supported the separatist's call for a strike.
Even with new development projects there is resentment. Many here feel that any benefits that development brings will leave the area.
By chance, not far from the port, clutching a folder, we find Haji Saleh Muhammed.
"I am from Gwadar, I am a port crane operator," he says. He opens the file, that he says he always keeps with him, to show us his qualifications and certificates, received during 12 years working in Dubai.
"I came back to work in my city, but they have brought people from outside. Karachi people are working here, I am just sitting around.
"Gilani says jobs will come here, but most will go to outsiders."
On the beach, we even found a policeman who said the poverty and injustice had got so bad, he would lay down his life for Baloch independence.
Last chance
Prime Minister Gilani reiterated to us his assertion that there was considerable evidence that India is already supporting the Baloch separatists, but accepted that the region had been neglected by Pakistan in the past.
However, he also insisted that the general picture is much better than it appears.
"Balochs are patriotic, 99.9% support Pakistan. There are maybe a handful of people who are towing the foreign agenda of somebody else - we are negotiating with them," he says.
"The time will come when the people themselves will realise that we are on the right path, and they will start supporting us."
Mr Gilani's going to have to work fast here, because it feels like the last chance people are going to give the politicians to reduce poverty and inequality.
If they fail, Balochistan could quite easily become a focal point in Pakistan's destabilisation.
BTW...Mods.. I thought this deserved a seperate thread... You can merge this if ya want .
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come on
we have problems in Balochistan. But democratic govt is proveing that democracy can only make things right.
Situation in Balochistan was bad but now normality is returning
btw its more peacefull place then Andera perdesh, or other maoist controlled states of Baharat, or assam or lets say Maharashtra
we have problems in Balochistan. But democratic govt is proveing that democracy can only make things right.
Situation in Balochistan was bad but now normality is returning
btw its more peacefull place then Andera perdesh, or other maoist controlled states of Baharat, or assam or lets say Maharashtra
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Looking back at benchmarks that were proposed.
Objective 1 accomplished - NFC award based on a composite basket of indicators including backwardness/lack of development was passed and Baluchistan's share rose significantly.
The center also reduced its share in the total pie from 55% to about 44% I believe, and more autonomy given to the provinces to collect revenue.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/41242-historic-decision-nfc-award.html
Objective 2 - work on the constitutional reforms and delegating further autonomy to the provinces in line with the 1973 constitution appears to be hung up over some issues such as what the NWFP shoudl be renamed to, the President's powers being returned to the PM and parliament etc. but overall there appears to be consensus on granting greater autonomy to all the provinces.
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Maddy - where is the link to the article you posted? So far I just come up with blogs that are carrying it.
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Another hatchet job by Aleem Maqbool. He deliberately goes to BLA strongholds and then claims most people he met were against Pakistan. He is deliberately presenting a skewed picture to fan alarmist flames.
Aleem Maqbool - journalisted.com
Based on his history of articles (above), this guy has a Christian chip on his shoulder and an axe to grind against Pakistan, it seems.
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