Pakistan's present and future war

[Vinod2070]

Actually, you are being modest about Pakistan by using words like "some kind of match to hindustan", arent you???? How else can you explain the two victories without a shot being fired?????? 2001 and 2008-09.... yes, they are victory for a country which according to you has less resources and is primarily on for defence as against the humiliating defeat for the ante diluvian leviathan offensive war machinery of hindustan which returned empty handed in the past and prospects for another repeat are like writing on the wall.... i will call it victory because according to SunTzu(a chinese general and strategist) greatest victory is achieved by the armies without firing a shot.

I think 2001 was a stand off. What we got was was a commitment from your president general not to allow the use of Pakistani territory for terror against India and the ban on the terror organizations. If you care to see, the graph of violence in Kashmir headed South after that. India put in place all the fencing and Kashmir became much more peaceful.

Yes, it was a victory without firing a shot!

2008-09 story is still being written. Too early to declare victors or losers.

As long as hindustan remains a threat to Pakistan, rest assured that Pakistan will never allow hindustan to achieve the decisive edge and the interest of subsidizing Pakistani military will remain untill South Asia remains on the world map, such is the geo strategic location of Pakistan.

It is not a question of Pakistan allowing something. It is a question of having the capacity to match India.

For the last part of your post, let us wait and watch. Things will be clear in a few years.

 

[Prodigy17]

I think 2001 was a stand off. What we got was was a commitment from your president general not to allow the use of Pakistani territory for terror against India and the ban on the terror organizations. If you care to see, the graph of violence in Kashmir headed South after that. India put in place all the fencing and Kashmir became much more peaceful.

Yes, it was a victory without firing a shot!

If it was a victory, then why are you whining and griping against Lets and JUDs. If it was a victory, and if your crafted mumbai story is true, then you probably need a reality check very urgently. You came with a gargantuan military machine threatening to teach Pakistan a lesson, only to return with a promise....... It was the best face saving that Pakistan could graciously give to hindu fascists ruling hindustan at the time. You should be thankful to the same general for giving you a way out from a mess that you created for yourself instead of claiming it a victory. How else could the BJP justify millions of dollars of tax payer's money wasted in a useless adventure where precious lives were also lost. Victory without firing a shot indeed..... for whom, the judgment is a foregone conclusion for any sane thinking observer.

2008-09 story is still being written. Too early to declare victors or losers.

Actually, you were one of those hindustani posters sounding very bellicose, talking about some lessons i believe....... guess who has learnt a lesson or two here...... you don't sound that brash now, do you???? instead you have taken refuge in let's wait and see....typical subterfuge to extricate from discussion by some indian posters when they run out of logic and ideas in discussions...

 

[Vinod2070]

If it was a victory, then why are you whining and griping against Lets and JUDs. If it was a victory, and if your crafted mumbai story is true, then you probably need a reality check very urgently. You came with a gargantuan military machine threatening to teach Pakistan a lesson, only to return with a promise....... It was the best face saving that Pakistan could graciously give to hindu fascists ruling hindustan at the time. You should be thankful to the same general for giving you a way out from a mess that you created for yourself instead of claiming it a victory. How else could the BJP justify millions of dollars of tax payer's money wasted in a useless adventure where precious lives were also lost. Victory without firing a shot indeed..... for whom, the judgment is a foregone conclusion for any sane thinking observer.

I see nothing but conjectures here. India never threatened war in this scenario. You imagined that and started warmongering to divert attention from the facts. Don't worry, the ploy won't work.

And yes, Musharraf did go back on his word. He did the same with the USA, taking their aid and supporting the Taliban and AQ behind the back. That only reflects on him and what he represented.

No one said it is easy getting Pakistan to abandon the terror policy that it has nurtured for decades. It is happening, slowly but surely.

Actually, you were one of those hindustani posters sounding very bellicose, talking about some lessons i believe....... guess who has learnt a lesson or two here...... you don't sound that brash now, do you???? instead you have taken refuge in let's wait and see....typical subterfuge to extricate from discussion by some indian posters when they run out of logic and ideas in discussions...

Conjectures and imagination at work here. And a tearing hurry to rush to judgments!

The story is developing. Wait and watch instead of trying to rush to hurried conclusions.

 

[Kasrkin]

Yes, it was a victory without firing a shot!

Not exactly, Operation Parakram was a fiasco in military and political terms. It took the Indian strike corps 3 weeks to arrive near our border, by that time the Pakistanis had them well targeted, their paths of advance well defended and political/diplomatic momentum had been completely lost by India also. It was a colossal waste of resources, so much so that it compelled the Indian high command to invent an entire new doctrine (Cold Start). Musharraf's anti-terrorist speech completely evaporated justification for the Indian belligerence, as far as the world was concerned. It is easy to argue that this could have been achieved more neatly by diplomatic insistence and campaigning alone. If anything the rumors of the lumbering Indian strike corps heading to 'destroy' Pakistan only helped distract world attention from India's PoV about Pakistanis being world 'sponsors' of terrorism.

I'm afraid that the general view is, even in the Indian political/military elite, that Pakistan out maneuvered India in the 2001 not just militarily but politically as well.

 

[el nino]

We are all getting off the Point

THE PAKISTANI retired Brigidier General " knows alot more about this topic then you people and me"""

The brigidier is pointing out that despite nuclear weapons given encouragement by the Global powwers esp THE WEST,,, and the know how and tech support from allies like Israel

INDIA MAY try hot pursuit,,, over the LOC.. CAMMANDO RAIDS,,,

surgical air strikes if the the terror activity continued....

Another BIG PART OF THIS INDO PAK stand off is india who has more international clout will use this to try and diplomatically isolate pakistan,,, ie creating an image of pakistan stating its a fragmented country where the ISI and the military are against war on terror and supporting terror activity..

If =pakistan was sanctioned by the WEST and india continued to be supported by industrial investment and new military hardware just imagine how the gap would widen to a HUGE LEVEL...

that is wat this general is talking about