Pakistan’s PL-15 Missile Equipped JF-17 Block 3 is a Serious Game Changer - How India Can Respond to

[DJ_Viper]

We can't use the fights since Desert Shield (and even Desert Shield was so imbalance in the air...) because low intensity and fights between a world top air force and nearly nothing (as the french in Lybia).
One F117 lost against an "army" without fighter is already too much.
A conflict between USA and China will be incomparably harder, at an extent we probably can't imagine.
Some decades ago we thought GPS signal can't be corrupted. It is a reality now (just an exemple), So I'm very careful with certain certainties.

Man, It's hard to debate with you with focus on a real theater, speaking about wars. Infrared trackers don't give out sub-par performance because a smaller army uses them. The devices do their job. Thus, the hyped about IR and then IRST came about after downing a Gen 1 F-117. How come another stealth hasn't been downed since (considering that the USAF and USN have gone against S-300 and S-400 even)? Let's not go too far with one jet downed in like 30 years. It just sounds like a useless discussion and waste of readers time.

Who is "we" who thought GPS signals can never be stopped or corrupted? The USA and the USSR back in the 80's were putting satellites in to jam each other's frequencies. This is 2021! I've heard about reports where many militaries even capture secured data through COTS devices.

 

[dbc]

Sorry I misunderstood, I thought your situational awareness comment was in ref to the f117,
As far as guidance radar, I do not recall pechoras of that vintage having any loal capability, also i recall reading the serbian operator getting a lock after multiple attempts and launching two units after a confirmed lock, but I might be wrong.

I don't think a lock was achieved because the F-117 pilot said he was first alerted when two missiles broke through the clouds, one zipped past the aircraft and disappeared the second exploded near his aircraft.

 

[Surya 1]

Fair point, I see Indians struggle to keep up with China - but 36 Rafale with Meteor against the might of China, still do not change the game for you.

We have Mirage equipped with MICA, We have Jaguar Darin III With AESA, we have Mig 29 UPG with state of art EW and Electronics, Our TejasMk1 is comming with state of art AESA and wide range of weapon options like Astra Mk2, AMRAM, Python 5, I derby , R77, R37 etc. This everything can outclass any China can come up with.

 

[abdulbarijan]

I always slip well. However, my information may spoil the sip of many.

Can't doubt that ... Indians are undoubted kings of sipping afterall ...

We have Mirage equipped with MICA, We have Jaguar Darin III With AESA, we have Mig 29 UPG with state of art EW and Electronics, Our TejasMk1 is comming with state of art AESA and wide range of weapon options like Astra Mk2, AMRAM, Python 5, I derby , R77, R37 etc. This everything can outclass any China can come up with.

The same arguments were floated before, MKI the mini awacs, the raptor from the east. Mig-29 the competitor of the F-16, the mirage etc etc. How many of those did you see retaliate after PAF came in broad day light in a show of massive strength. If you forgot that day the IAF had all the advantages that you spoke of and bragged about for as long as this forum had existed and yet the score card read :

1- 1 POW
2- 5 dead
3- 1 aircraft lost
4- 1 fratricide

ALL belonging to the IAF.

The most amazing thing IAF managed to do, which was actually celebrated as an act of courage, was running the F away with their tail between their legs i.e. AMRAAM Dodging.

 

[abdulbarijan]

That is why I slip well. Our pilots shoots down 4th generation plane with 2nd generation plane and comes back after enjoying fantastic hospitality and comes back with an escort of a beautiful women. Aur kya Chahiye?

1. The claim of the IAF is bogus as PAF demonstrated that all missiles of the MIg-21 were found and the evidence is available that none of them were fired.
2. Analysts that heavily favor the Indian side (Christine Fair) also contest the same claim, not in some tweet mind you, In India, in front of your airchief in a public event as a speaker.
3. Neutral analysts like Alan Warnes inspect the whole wreckage of Mig-21 and comes to the same conclusion i.e. no F-16's were shot down that day.

Basically, the whole world contests the claim you guys put up, but if believing that fantasy helps you sleep well at night, then no issues with me. Just avoid the following video cuz it might just ruin the perfect fantasy you got over there, my friend.

Again read the score card which is accepted not just by neutral analysts, by the IAF and the PAF where there is no contested claims whatsoever i.e.

1. 1 POW
2. 1 fratricide
3. 1 aircraft lost
4. 5 soldiers lost

ALL INDIAN.

It takes an incredible amount of shamelessness to have lost 5 of your men and be like "it was nothing" and Äur kya chahiya".

 

[Englishman]

We have Mirage equipped with MICA, We have Jaguar Darin III With AESA, we have Mig 29 UPG with state of art EW and Electronics, Our TejasMk1 is comming with state of art AESA and wide range of weapon options like Astra Mk2, AMRAM, Python 5, I derby , R77, R37 etc. This everything can outclass any China can come up with.

I agree 100%

 

[GumNaam]

I always slip well. However, my information may spoil the sip of many.

why yes, yes you do, no one slips as well as you do, must be a national thing...

That is why I slip well. Our pilots shoots down 4th generation plane with 2nd generation plane and comes back after enjoying fantastic hospitality and comes back with an escort of a beautiful women. Aur kya Chahiye?

ye chahiye, ye ...

straight from your mommy dearest...

 

[Basel]

Given the rumored range of PL 15 and assuming an equivalent AESA to go along with it, India seems to be effectively outgunned. Only hope for now is the EW suite on Rafale.

Best way for India to deal with this in future is to acquire a stealth jet. But that may not happen anytime this decade.

Big positive for PL-15 is it's AESA seeker which will be very difficult to jam, it's seeker will also be able to home in jamming capable too so any IAF plane will find it very difficult to avoid it, once its in air and racing towards it's target.

 

[GumNaam]

Big positive for PL-15 is it's AESA seeker which will be very difficult to jam, it's seeker will also be able to home in jamming capable too so any IAF plane will find it very difficult to avoid it, once its in air and racing towards it's target.

plus, it also has an IR seeker.

 

[Basel]

plus, it also has an IR seeker.

You mean dual seeker in PL-15 or it have 2 version one with RF seeker and other with EO seeker??

 

[Falconless]

This forum is fast losing its credibility & it's true essence

As if it had any to begin with.

 

[Deino]

plus, it also has an IR seeker.

No, the PL-15 has no IR seeker, not sure why you claim that??

 

[IblinI]

We have Mirage equipped with MICA, We have Jaguar Darin III With AESA, we have Mig 29 UPG with state of art EW and Electronics, Our TejasMk1 is comming with state of art AESA and wide range of weapon options like Astra Mk2, AMRAM, Python 5, I derby , R77, R37 etc. This everything can outclass any China can come up with.

 

[abdulbarijan]

Such a fantastic plane is not deployed by its maker. i.e China. They prefer Mig 21 instead.

Great point -- Explains why the LCA Tejas has completely replaced the Mig-21's in the IAF's inventory.

 

[abdulbarijan]

We are replacing so why should I explain. Tjose who does not induct such great game changer plane should explain.

1. They don't have to explain anything. The JFT is currently in service with multiple airforces, where multiple countries have put their trust in the platform. That fact alone speaks for itself.

2. The same jet was one of the ones along with the PAF Mirages, which conducted the strikes near the IA military installations and what was IAF's response ... having its jet shot down at the hands of the adversary, having its pilot captured at the hands of the adversary, shooting down its own chopper, killing its own soldiers ... and celebrating running away i.e. Amraam dodging . Lastly, not to mention, where was the retaliation by the IAF's side after being so thoroughly embarrassed at the international stage? Oh yes, conducting events and seminars praising the IAF with friendly analysts ... that too ended up stating that the IAF is BS-ing . So yeah, better take this hogwash to bharat-rak whatever forum .. You won't be the first one spewing away about the IAF's might and you certainly wouldn't be the last one whose let down by your precious airforce that is outclassed in a such a thorough way ... running away is classified as a highlight.

3. Coming back to the topic however, much has been discussed about the PL-15, however nothing on PL-10 as the next gen SRAAM for PAF. Any news/ developments in that regard?