Pakistan’s PL-15 Missile Equipped JF-17 Block 3 is a Serious Game Changer - How India Can Respond to

[Akh1112]

So You think MKI Will not get MLU's
Heard About super Sukhoi Program
By 2025 Indian defense Budget Will cross 100 billion $

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There Difference BTW Twin Engine And single
MKI Is heavy Category fighter


123 MK1A Upgrade


LOL Americans Are Restricted Sale military aircraft to Chinese

R-77 Bought by Malaysia,Indonasia ,Kazakistan ,peru,serbia,

How many Did Chinese sell ???

Even PLAAF Bought R-77 in 2018 for Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2 aircraft

"So You think MKI Will not get MLU's Heard About super Sukhoi Program"

Show me where i said this. Also, yes, i am familiar with the Super Sukhoi MLU Program. I will once again repeat myself, your "Super Sukhoi's" are once again outgunned by the JF-17 Block 3 with its superior radar suite, EW suite and its superior Weapons suite. I cant be arsed to cite the report each time, you clearly seem to be ignoring what does not fit with your narrative.


"There Difference BTW Twin Engine And single MKI Is heavy Category fighter"

Your point being?

"123 MK1A Upgrade"

Once again, whats your point?

"LOL Americans Are Restricted Sale military aircraft to Chinese"

No idea what this means.

"R-77 Bought by Malaysia,Indonasia ,Kazakistan ,peru,serbia, How many Did Chinese sell ???"

Once again, whats your point, none of these nations operate Chinese origin aircraft or systems capable of making use of Chinese AAM's, so why would they buy it if they cant use it? You are just making yourself look like a fool.

"Even PLAAF Bought R-77 in 2018 for Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2"

Correct, in which they found them to be inferior to their domestic munitions.

 

[Secularindian]

Super Sukhoi's" are once again outgunned by the JF-17 Block 3 with its superior radar suite, EW suite and its superior Weapons suite. I cant be arsed to cite the report each time, you clearly seem to be ignoring what does not fit with your narrative.

Seriously a Chinese EW advanced Than Elta 8222 or SAP-18

If you Said ALQ-211 AIDEW or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites of PAF F-16 52+ I believed It


But Chinese seriously ??


LOL Mig-29 Upg use D29 EW
Which AESA Based DRFM's
Most advanced after Spectra

Correct, in which they found them to be inferior to their domestic munitions.

Chinese Even Say Covid-19 Not person to person
Rest History

They Will Say ws-10 Superior to AL-31 if its started working

Why PAF choose RD-93 over WS-10 then ???

 

[Ultima Thule]

"So You think MKI Will not get MLU's Heard About super Sukhoi Program"

Show me where i said this. Also, yes, i am familiar with the Super Sukhoi MLU Program. I will once again repeat myself, your "Super Sukhoi's" are once again outgunned by the JF-17 Block 3 with its superior radar suite, EW suite and its superior Weapons suite. I cant be arsed to cite the report each time, you clearly seem to be ignoring what does not fit with your narrative.


"There Difference BTW Twin Engine And single MKI Is heavy Category fighter"

Your point being?

"123 MK1A Upgrade"

Once again, whats your point?

"LOL Americans Are Restricted Sale military aircraft to Chinese"

No idea what this means.

"R-77 Bought by Malaysia,Indonasia ,Kazakistan ,peru,serbia, How many Did Chinese sell ???"

Once again, whats your point, none of these nations operate Chinese origin aircraft or systems capable of making use of Chinese AAM's, so why would they buy it if they cant use it? You are just making yourself look like a fool.

"Even PLAAF Bought R-77 in 2018 for Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2"

Correct, in which they found them to be inferior to their domestic munitions.

Don't overconfident on block-3 bro if MKI upgrades with AESA and other goodies and long range R-77 (150 KM) range its a serious threat for our block-3. But we should develop tactics agianst RAFALE AND SUPER MKI USING BLOCK-3

 

[LKJ86]

And for correction R-77 bought by China not 2018 but in early 2000 with a first delivery of Su-30 MKK

"Even PLAAF Bought R-77 in 2018 for Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2"

Correct, in which they found them to be inferior to their domestic munitions.

PLAN's Su-30MKK2 has chosen Chinese munitions like PL-12 and PL-8 to replace Russia's munitions:

And PLAAF's Su-30MKK is also on that way.

 

[Ultima Thule]

PLAN's Su-30MKK2 has chosen Chinese munitions like PL-12 and PL-8 to replace Russia's munitions:
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Thank you sir we already knows that

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

There is a payload limitation with AWACS, it is simply not possible. On the other hand a cargo lifter like a C130 could do to he heavy work, and the AWACS would do the rest. But to protect these assets you would still need escorts.

Since you have opened a very interesting line of thought, here is something which might be of interest to you:
Gremlin Drone's First Flight Turns C-130 Into a Flying Aircraft Carrier

Turkey is planning to drop Kamikaze ALPAGU killer drones from Akinji HALEs...

Akinji HALE UAV will have AI, Deep Learning etc. based autonomous flight and fighting capabilities!!! Human control from the ground isn't necessary...

 

[Ultima Thule]

Seriously a Chinese EW advanced Than Elta 8222 or SAP-18

If you Said ALQ-211 AIDEW or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites of PAF F-16 52+ I believed It


But Chinese seriously ??


LOL Mig-29 Upg use D29 EW
Which AESA Based DRFM's
Most advanced after Spectra

No one knows their actual capabilities but don't underestimate Chinese military tech they have both Western and Russian military development philosophies and in fact they are getting away from Russian design philosophies and moving toward more western military design philosophies

Chinese Even Say Covid-19 Not person to person
Rest History

They Will Say ws-10 Superior to AL-31 if its started working

Why PAF choose RD-93 over WS-10 then ??

If you knows nothing stay silent there more than 500 ws-10 in service in PLAAF/PLAAN
And can you put high thrust engine like al-31 or F-100 GE W 229 into your light fighter tejas you have no logic sorry to say dude

 

[Blacklight]

Turkey is planning to drop Kamikaze ALPAGU killer drones from Akinji HALEs...

Akinji HALE UAV will have AI, Deep Learning etc. based autonomous flight and fighting capabilities!!! Human control from the ground isn't necessary...

Details in English please! This sounds very interesting!!

A UAV delivering kamikaze drone would have a much lower RCS in comparison to a cargo aircraft, hence multiple UAV's are free to attack from different sides.

 

[Akh1112]

Don't overconfident on block-3 bro if MKI upgrades with AESA and other goodies and long range R-77 (150 KM) range its a serious threat for our block-3. But we should develop tactics agianst RAFALE AND SUPER MKI USING BLOCK-3

Not overconfidence, it is based off of fact, in which, the Super Sukhoi was due to be updated with the IRBIS-E, a vastly inferior radar. Also, the long ranged R-77 is atleast a decade away from export.

Seriously a Chinese EW advanced Than Elta 8222 or SAP-18

If you Said ALQ-211 AIDEW or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites of PAF F-16 52+ I believed It


But Chinese seriously ??


LOL Mig-29 Upg use D29 EW
Which AESA Based DRFM's
Most advanced after Spectra


Chinese Even Say Covid-19 Not person to person
Rest History

They Will Say ws-10 Superior to AL-31 if its started working

Why PAF choose RD-93 over WS-10 then ???

"LOL Mig-29 Upg use D29 EW
Which AESA Based DRFM's
Most advanced after Spectra"

If the D-29 was one of the most advanced systems, heck, even if it is as advanced as you claim, why is HAL using an Israeli EW suite over the D-29?

"Seriously a Chinese EW advanced Than Elta 8222 or SAP-18"

Underestimate Chinese tech at your own detriment. In DACT excersizes we have seen J-10's successfully take on Gripens, winning multiple training sessions.

"Why PAF choose RD-93 over WS-10 then ???"

firstly, because the WS-10 is not for the JF-17

secondly, because Chinese engines suck(and blow too of course. ) they require alot of work, whether these be engines for jets or helicopters. Both lack in performance.

 

[Secularindian]

If you knows nothing stay silent there more than 500 ws-10 in service in PLAAF/PLAAN

Its shitty Engine With less Services our
they are Still buying AL-31

the Super Sukhoi was due to be updated with the IRBIS-E, a vastly inferior radar. Also, the long ranged R-77 is atleast a decade away from export.

Who Told you We are buying IRIS-E its all Media rumors

IAF is going For AESA

IBRIS- is Radar of Su-35
Do you even know its detection range it 400 km

R-77-1 is On for export
http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/aerospace-systems/air-to-air-missile/rvv-sd/

the long ranged R-77 is atleast a decade away from export.

R-77-1 is up for export
http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/aerospace-systems/air-to-air-missile/rvv-sd/

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Details in English please! This sounds very interesting!!

A UAV delivering kamikaze drone would have a much lower RCS in comparison to a cargo aircraft, hence multiple UAV's are free to attack from different sides.

My understanding:

1. ALPAGU 2 Kamikaze drones to detect the target, and crash and detonate warheads on it :

• The system, weighing only 3.7 kg, can be deployed and operated by a single person. Launched from a portable pneumatic launcher, the Alpagu 2 can perform high-precision surveillance and reconnaissance missions (autonomous or manual modes) to neutralize threats within a tactical range of 5 km.
  
• Alpagu facilitates its autonomy through sophisticated computer vision and deep learning algorithms, such as tracking, detection, and classification of static/moving targets. The system includes the fixed-wing UAV, the launcher system and ground control unit.
  
• The Alpagu can operate in day and night missions, with a range of 5 km and an endurance of 10 minutes. It features a cruise speed of 58 km/h, a maximum speed of 80 km/h and a maximum operational ceiling of 400 m. The system can be deployed in 45 seconds and is powered by a single LiPo battery.

2. ALPAGUs will be dropped in a fleet formation from AKINJI on conventional or sub-conventional targets. Each ALPAGU will detect and attack a separate target if necessary. And, all C4I are by autonomous machines
3. ALPAGUs will be able to intelligently take counter-measures against the protective shield of and measures from the targets, and smartly take them out. It'll be much more smarter than smart munitions
4. As for AKINJI HALE, it itself is capable of autonomous flight and fight without any ground controls whatsoever!! Six different AI platforms with Deep Learning capabilities are integrated into it!! It is equipped with AESA radar, EW capabilities, BVR missiles etc. to protect itself. Moreover, communications with the command center is via indigenous micro-satellites with inherent EW capabilities, which are damn hard to detect and destroy in a "Space War" scenario

**[From this Fakir] In the Indo-Pak scenario, the attacking Indian armored formations, or the bunkers at the LOC can be smartly taken out using these weapons and tactics. It's like Babur Han's guns and matchlocks against Sultan Lodhi's humongous forces at the First Battle of Panipat. When the Turkish folks, by HIS PERMISSION, get into the fighting mode Satan takes refuge in Hell
## As per a Hadis-i Sherif, the Muslim Conquest of Rome will be with Tekbir

 

[Akh1112]

Its shitty Engine With less Services our
they are Still buying AL-31

Who Told you We are buying IRIS-E its all Media rumors

IAF is going For AESA

IBRIS- is Radar of Su-35
Do you even know its detection range it 400 km

R-77-1 is On for export
http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/aerospace-systems/air-to-air-missile/rvv-sd/

"IBRIS- is Radar of Su-35 Do you even know its detection range it 400 km"


Already explained this, not gonna bother again, either you struggle to read or are ignoring it intentionally.


"R-77-1 is On for export "

Yes...it has a range of 110km (probably no where near in real world perf but w/e). The comment i responded to was referring to the R-77ME.

"IAF is going For AESA"

Shrug, its speculation. Upgrades were set to begin in 2012. Its 2020, we do not see an AESA equipped SU-30Mki yet. You'd be better off slapping an Israeli AESA on them, atleast you'd get pretty good performance unlike with Russian equipment which never is as capable as their domestic counterparts.

 

[Secularindian]

Shrug, its speculation. Upgrades were set to begin in 2012. Its 2020, we do not see an AESA equipped SU-30Mki yet. You'd be better off slapping an Israeli AESA on them, atleast you'd get pretty good performance unlike with Russian equipment which never is as capable as their domestic counterparts.

Its Done For MLU
in Super Sukhoi upgrade

Russians Still ahead than Chinese Be it Air defense Radars

@vostok

 

[Ultima Thule]

Its shitty Engine With less Services our
they are Still buying AL-31

No they stop buying for your information

Its Done For MLU
in Super Sukhoi upgrade

Russians Still ahead than Chinese Be it Air defense Radars

@vostok

Please tell me AESA more advance or PESA is more advance

Not overconfidence, it is based off of fact, in which, the Super Sukhoi was due to be updated with the IRBIS-E, a vastly inferior radar. Also, the long ranged R-77 is atleast a decade away from export.

Bro we can't defeat MKI in within visual range fight using block-3, block-3 only fight in BVR arena
MKI is formidable threat even for block-3

MKI is heavy jet whereas JF17 is light weight jet

 

[Blacklight]

Please tell me AESA more advance or PESA is more advance

As per indian logic = Pulse Doppler