Pakistan’s PL-15 Missile Equipped JF-17 Block 3 is a Serious Game Changer - How India Can Respond to

[Behram Khilji]

I never said that I believe on any claim, i belived that no f16 shoot down by IAF, and no Su 30mki by PAF.

You did, you said you believe your official line and we do the same, so please don't back track now.

Where is the proof of f16 or anything else from your side?. We have shown you 4 missiles, a mig 21 and a soul broken, battered, humiliated and bloody nose pilot.

Can you provide anything to back IAF claims?

 

[The Maverick]

Indian Answer to JF17 block 3 which will/may carry PL15 will be as follows

1. Rafale x 36 fighters RBE2 Aesa Radar with Meteore Ramjet missle range 160km
2. 83 Tejas mark1a with Elta 2052 Aesa Radar and Derby IR range 100km or Astra BVR 100km
3. SU30MKI upgrade to Super MKI includes Ibris Aesa Radar and K77 BVR range 190km

option 3 may not start until post 2025 even later
Rafales are arriving now as we speak
Tejas mark1a is arriving 2022-2023

My understanding PAF block 3 will take 5 years to deliver 50 J17 block 3

 

[Ultima Thule]

Indian Answer to JF17 block 3 which will/may carry PL15 will be as follows

1. Rafale x 36 fighters RBE2 Aesa Radar with Meteore Ramjet missle range 160km
2. 83 Tejas mark1a with Elta 2052 Aesa Radar and Derby IR range 100km or Astra BVR 100km
3. SU30MKI upgrade to Super MKI includes Ibris Aesa Radar and K77 BVR range 190km

option 3 may not start until post 2025 even later
Rafales are arriving now as we speak
Tejas mark1a is arriving 2022-2023

My understanding PAF block 3 will take 5 years to deliver 50 J17 block 3

and its takes time to develop a tactics using these new BVRs, it isn't easy that you think, and afor production of JF-17 block-3 at 16/year it will reach 3-3 1/2 year to reach 50s in numbers

 

[The Maverick]

and its takes time to develop a tactics using these new BVRs, it isn't easy that you think, and afor production of JF-17 block-3 at 16/year it will reach 3-3 1/2 year to reach 50s in numbers

That's rapid delivery if you achieve thus
I am reading that it's 10 planes a year with first block 3 plane ready in December 2020 or early 2021.
I would guess by 2025 you will receive all 50 starting at 8 delivery first year rising numbers each year ie 10 then 12 then 16 etc .

This is the norm global
India will receive 4 rafales this year 8 in 2021 then 12 and 12 last two years

Tejas is same 8 then 10 then 16 etc

 

[Tumba]

Indian Answer to JF17 block 3 which will/may carry PL15 will be as follows

1. Rafale x 36 fighters RBE2 Aesa Radar with Meteore Ramjet missle range 160km
2. 83 Tejas mark1a with Elta 2052 Aesa Radar and Derby IR range 100km or Astra BVR 100km
3. SU30MKI upgrade to Super MKI includes Ibris Aesa Radar and K77 BVR range 190km

option 3 may not start until post 2025 even later
Rafales are arriving now as we speak
Tejas mark1a is arriving 2022-2023

My understanding PAF block 3 will take 5 years to deliver 50 J17 block 3

Thats an overkill for Jf-17 III , 4 or 5...
pakistan will better try to acquire stealth fighters from china to have some kind of deterrent against IAF

 

[The Maverick]

The Pakistanis are looking at two options

1. China to finish development of j31 fifth gen fighter . As their first 5th gen fighter but it.is sugg3sted this may not be available. Until 2030

2. More likely some way of obtaining 18 more block 52 or even block 70 F16 if relations can improve with USA

Behind this there is nothing realistically for PAF. There financial situation is dire even and grant aided fighters from China or USA is the best and likely options at present.abd medium term.future .

Even India will.struggle to achieve modernisation goals due to lack of resources

 

[syed_yusuf]

Indian Answer to JF17 block 3 which will/may carry PL15 will be as follows

1. Rafale x 36 fighters RBE2 Aesa Radar with Meteore Ramjet missle range 160km
2. 83 Tejas mark1a with Elta 2052 Aesa Radar and Derby IR range 100km or Astra BVR 100km
3. SU30MKI upgrade to Super MKI includes Ibris Aesa Radar and K77 BVR range 190km

option 3 may not start until post 2025 even later
Rafales are arriving now as we speak
Tejas mark1a is arriving 2022-2023

My understanding PAF block 3 will take 5 years to deliver 50 J17 block 3

so finally india is trying to catchup on technology to match PAF. but that is going to take another 5 years or more. By that time PAF will be on next phase.

it is going to take 2022 till all 36 rafael are delivered. it will be another 8 years by when Teja Mk1a is fully operationalized and delivered. Option #3 might just not happen.

 

[The Maverick]

so finally india is trying to catchup on technology to match PAF. but that is going to take another 5 years or more. By that time PAF will be on next phase.

it is going to take 2022 till all 36 rafael are delivered. it will be another 8 years by when Teja Mk1a is fully operationalized and delivered. Option #3 might just not happen.

Not 100% correct

The block 3 thunder which is order for fifty planes is in final testing until end of this year.
You only orders are fifty planes and chengdu have said 10 planes per year taking you up to 2025.

All rafales will be here by 2022 or 2023 latest
The mark 1a will start 2023 and yes will take until 2030 to deliver all 83

 

[The Maverick]

PL 15 whether deployed on a heavy fighter or light fighter is equally capable of blasting every aircraft in Indian inventory and it has a range greater than all the missiles you mentioned in your list. Thick headed Indians dont understand unless it is proven on the battle field by hammering their ***


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Interesting that when push came to shove you sent f16 with amraams across loc and relegated thunders and the sd10 to support role in your side of loc. Despite having thunders in service for years by now.

Deep down the falcon is still the best you have. You trust western equipment more..

The upgraded thunder block 3 looks good and pl15 bvr is good but lacks ram jet technology of the meteors.in Indian rafale

I think both the rafale with meteors and rbe2 aesa radar over any Pakistani fighter including block 3 thunders.

Infact the tejas mark1a which arriving same time as your block 3 has Israeli aesa radar and a longer range derby bvr. And would prove very capable foe to thunder.

Realistically nobody is killing 4th gen fighters at 150km unless you are f22 raptor.
Your thunder will be picked up by
Elta aesa or rbe2 aesa or bars pesa or zhuk aesa easily at 100 to 150km so will have ample time to change height ie go hot to cold meaning bvr kill becomes unlikely

 

[GriffinsRule]

Interesting that when push came to shove you sent f16 with amraams across loc and relegated thunders and the sd10 to support role in your side of loc. Despite having thunders in service for years by now.

Deep down the falcon is still the best you have. You trust western equipment more..

The upgraded thunder block 3 looks good and pl15 bvr is good but lacks ram jet technology of the meteors.in Indian rafale

I think both the rafale with meteors and rbe2 aesa radar over any Pakistani fighter including block 3 thunders.

Infact the tejas mark1a which arriving same time as your block 3 has Israeli aesa radar and a longer range derby bvr. And would prove very capable foe to thunder.

Realistically nobody is killing 4th gen fighters at 150km unless you are f22 raptor.
Your thunder will be picked up by
Elta aesa or rbe2 aesa or bars pesa or zhuk aesa easily at 100 to 150km so will have ample time to change height ie go hot to cold meaning bvr kill becomes unlikely

When push came to shove, India fell back on its ***. F-16 or JF-17, pick a jet of your choice, and you will still get spanked.

 

[Imran Khan]

Indian Answer to JF17 block 3 which will/may carry PL15 will be as follows

1. Rafale x 36 fighters RBE2 Aesa Radar with Meteore Ramjet missle range 160km
2. 83 Tejas mark1a with Elta 2052 Aesa Radar and Derby IR range 100km or Astra BVR 100km
3. SU30MKI upgrade to Super MKI includes Ibris Aesa Radar and K77 BVR range 190km

option 3 may not start until post 2025 even later
Rafales are arriving now as we speak
Tejas mark1a is arriving 2022-2023

My understanding PAF block 3 will take 5 years to deliver 50 J17 block 3

3 to 4 years and 2sqns will be there as we seen previous speed sir

 

[Trango Towers]

Not 100% correct

The block 3 thunder which is order for fifty planes is in final testing until end of this year.
You only orders are fifty planes and chengdu have said 10 planes per year taking you up to 2025.

All rafales will be here by 2022 or 2023 latest
The mark 1a will start 2023 and yes will take until 2030 to deliver all 83

looooool.

 

[Imran Khan]

Indian Answer to JF17 block 3 which will/may carry PL15 will be as follows

1. Rafale x 36 fighters RBE2 Aesa Radar with Meteore Ramjet missle range 160km
2. 83 Tejas mark1a with Elta 2052 Aesa Radar and Derby IR range 100km or Astra BVR 100km
3. SU30MKI upgrade to Super MKI includes Ibris Aesa Radar and K77 BVR range 190km

option 3 may not start until post 2025 even later
Rafales are arriving now as we speak
Tejas mark1a is arriving 2022-2023

My understanding PAF block 3 will take 5 years to deliver 50 J17 block 3

TBH no need answer to PAF just ask your services chiefs to STFU and media to stop barking . every thing will look cool then ..

 

[Trango Towers]

Indian Answer to JF17 block 3 which will/may carry PL15 will be as follows

1. Rafale x 36 fighters RBE2 Aesa Radar with Meteore Ramjet missle range 160km
2. 83 Tejas mark1a with Elta 2052 Aesa Radar and Derby IR range 100km or Astra BVR 100km
3. SU30MKI upgrade to Super MKI includes Ibris Aesa Radar and K77 BVR range 190km

option 3 may not start until post 2025 even later
Rafales are arriving now as we speak
Tejas mark1a is arriving 2022-2023

My understanding PAF block 3 will take 5 years to deliver 50 J17 block 3

Indian problem.
1. your best brains do not enter the armed forces. they go into business.
2. you think shiny new toys win wars. they dont
3. you think your superior numbers will win wars....they just provide more targets
4. you have poor maintence and poor training
5. you talk too much

 

[The Maverick]

"Trango Towers, post: 12354387, member: 180568"]Indian problem.
1. your best brains do not enter the armed forces. they go into business. = Agreed it offers better living $$
2. you think shiny new toys win wars. they don't = Thy do if you buy right toys ie Rafale or Phalcon Awacs etc
3. you think your superior numbers will win wars....they just provide more targets = Superior equipment Yes
4. you have poor maintence and poor training = That is true Russian hardware in partiuclar
5. you talk too much = That too I have to agree with