Pakistan’s PL-15 Missile Equipped JF-17 Block 3 is a Serious Game Changer - How India Can Respond to

[blueazure]

soviet made junk aka R77 and S 300

R 77 failed on 27 feb 2019'
S 300 failed in armenia

 

[White and Green with M/S]

LOOOOOL !

Les premiers Sukhoi Su-35 égyptiens !

Sur le site de production de Komsomolsk-sur-Amour, l'usine d'aviation KnAAZ a terminé l’assemblage des premiers avions de combat Sukhoi Su-35...

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First birds delivered in july 2020....

Satellite image shows first Egypt’s Su-35 fighter jets in Komsomolsk-on-Amur

Satellite imagery from Google Earth taken last month shows first Egyptian Air Force Su-35 fighter jets at the Gagarin Aircraft Plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Russia. Images have emerged by KAD-GHANI on its Twitter account showing at least four new advanced Su-35 fighter jets that were produced...

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AND THE BEST : https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...withstand-rafales-spectra-electronic-attacks/

LOL do you read your links before you post, its still in Russia not delivered yet, so how Egyptians can put su-35 against rafale if they haven't received any su-35 from Russia?? Go get a hike lol

 

[DJ_Viper]

Ha because you're false flag Indian that's why you're not listening to logic ànd common sense,. Rafale is not invincible or impossible to defeat jet it can be defeated by right tactics and strategies

Huh? WTH? Did you even read the entire discussion or due to some incontrollable emotions you decided to respond? And no, I'm very happy with who I am. Don't need to be an Indian or anything.

 

[BON PLAN]

LOL do you read your links before you post, its still in Russia not delivered yet, so how Egyptians can put su-35 against rafale if they haven't received any su-35 from Russia?? Go get a hike lol

False again.
at least 7 are on the egyptian soil.
Do you imagine such a training with Su-35 always in russia ? :

extract of this : https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...withstand-rafales-spectra-electronic-attacks/

 

[serenity]

Come on no one is battle proven. Rafale is not battle proven.

All are merely testing and training proven. PLA trains with heavy electronic attack environment. Not just bombing boxes in desert. French Rafale and weapons never been tested against peer adversary or any modern equipment. Only tested against export equipment from 20th century.

Everyone tests and trains quite hard and in what they consider real world conditions to different degrees. If this is not the case, no PLA weapon could even pass testing or become exported. When we tested our hypersonic weapons for the Americans to carefully review, they admit they work well and now they are also hurrying to make theirs.

When we tested AShBM with two separate launch in different location, both arriving at the moving small target at the same time, again in front of Americans to see, they realize it works.

So PL-15 wouldn't work? What is battle proven? Meteor is zero real world experience as well come on lol.

When has Meteor even shot down a Mig-21 level fighter? Let's compare the same way please.

 

[BON PLAN]

5th may 2021 : Egypt receives first five Su35

Egypt Receives First Five of 21 Su-35 From Russia

Egypt received its first order of Russian Sukhoi Su-35 jet fighters. On February 25, Russia officially announced that Egypt had received five Sukhoi Su-35 advanced multi-role fighter aircraft, the …

www.globaldefensecorp.com

 

[serenity]

Even US weapons are not really battle proven against peer adversary.

Chinese export Type 96 tank survived a tank battle and destroyed a T-72 model. Does that mean it is battle proven? To me something like that isn't worth much as evidence of battle proven.

American drones and aircraft and Russian ones have been shot down in wars. Does that mean they are all useless and rubbish? No!

Some groups have used Chinese YJ-83 missile successfully and ATGM to destroy tanks and FN-6 missile to shoot down helicopters. Is that battle proven? Of course not compared to peer adversary and the same level of operator.

It is hard to say. For the best everyone can do is to show testing and training and let third party buyer do their own.
If SPECTRA works well against export Su-35 in one way. Perhaps Su-35 was not using full abilities? Even then does it mean SPECTRA works well against everything? Come on. Just because SPECTRA can defeat Su-35's electronics doesn't always mean with 100% certainty it can even work against JF-17. We simply don't know. There are lots of things to consider and most are totally secretive.

 

[BON PLAN]

All are merely testing and training proven. PLA trains with heavy electronic attack environment. Not just bombing boxes in desert. French Rafale and weapons never been tested against peer adversary or any modern equipment. Only tested against export equipment from 20th century.

So chinese weapons are trained with heavy electronic attack and not Rafale?
You are pulling my legs Bro.

Rafale fight over Lybia, Syria, Irak. It fired hundreds of guided bombs and tens of cruise missile. Lybia fired SAM against our fighters. Syria is SAM equipped. OK it's not the russian or chinese airspace.
What about chinese birds ?

If SPECTRA works well against export Su-35 in one way. Perhaps Su-35 was not using full abilities? Even then does it mean SPECTRA works well against everything? Come on. Just because SPECTRA can defeat Su-35's electronics doesn't always mean with 100% certainty it can even work against JF-17. We simply don't know. There are lots of things to consider and most are totally secretive.

Spectra used 25% of the whole R&D efforts of the Rafale program. It's not without some good reasons.
Do you imagine the egyptian air force not trying the war modes when they see Su35 radar failed (in peace mode ?) ?

 

[serenity]

So chinese weapons are trained with heavy electronic attack and not Rafale?
You are pulling my legs Bro.

Rafale fight over Lybia, Syria, Irak. It fired hundreds of guided bombs and tens of cruise missile. Lybia fired SAM against our fighters. Syria is SAM equipped. OK it's not the russian or chinese airspace.
What about chinese birds ?

No you are saying Chinese weapons are unproven but French weapons are. I am saying both are unproven in real war against peer adversary.

Both train with heavy simulation of real world conditions. That's it.

So Rafale can drop weapons. I think every Chinese fighter can also drop weapons too that's proven. You doubt it? I think on this ability to fire weapons, both are proven because training and testing is the same level of proof as dropping weapons on Libya.

Libya SAMs on Rafale is nothing to be that proud or proof of anything. I ask is Libya very strong and peer adversary? So India also tried firing SAMs on JF-17 for crossing into India and escorting Mirage which are dropping weapons and Indian unable to even shoot down a single JF-17 during this. Is that prove of JF-17 ability? They tried to target JF-17 right?

Rafale working in Libya is not proof. Otherwise Russian flying Su-57 into Syria to fly a few times is prove it is battle hardened too? Chinese J-10 intercepting and flying with Japanese J-15J is also proof of something too then? Okay those are not wars or heavy direct war like Russia in Syria but to me, Rafale in Libya only is like real world training against very low opponent.
I can then say that Pakistan using JF-17 and Mirage to attack into India is war proven since India is not only larger and more well funded than Pakistan but boasts of much greater fighters and airforce. Yet not a single SAM or fighter could attack JF-17 and Mirage. Super proof? Really I don't think it is.

Spectra used 25% of the whole R&D efforts of the Rafale program. It's not without some good reasons.
Do you imagine the egyptian air force not trying the war modes when they see Su35 radar failed (in peace mode ?) ?

Okay fine you convinced me SPECTRA is the best. Nothing China or USA or Russia has can be compared to SPECTRA. India can demand all women of world with mighty SPECTRA. We are all too stupid and lazy to invent mighty SPECTRA

After all the super SPECTRA used and proven in war in Libya which was hardest test on weapons and also proven against training Su-35 conditions. Must therefore be able to melt through Chinese American Russia whatever fighter.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

False again.
at least 7 are on the egyptian soil.
Do you imagine such a training with Su-35 always in russia ? :

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extract of this : https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...withstand-rafales-spectra-electronic-attacks/

LOL ànd again how do you know know that's rafale tested against su-35 ànd jamed su-35 radar did Egyptian Air Force tell you? LOL

False again.
at least 7 are on the egyptian soil.
Do you imagine such a training with Su-35 always in russia ? :

View attachment 774744

extract of this : https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...withstand-rafales-spectra-electronic-attacks/

Again propaganda BS by western source, did Egyptian Air Force confirm it ànd give a press release that rafale jamed su-35 radar?, I want to hear from official sources rather than BS ànd propaganda source

 

[Basel]

US defense top brass only wants more funds. They are ready to say BS to have more money.

Same goes for India too, but still a dual pulse motor AAM with dual data link and AESA seeker is better then PD seeker AAM.

 

[redtom]

So chinese weapons are trained with heavy electronic attack and not Rafale?
You are pulling my legs Bro.

Rafale fight over Lybia, Syria, Irak. It fired hundreds of guided bombs and tens of cruise missile. Lybia fired SAM against our fighters. Syria is SAM equipped. OK it's not the russian or chinese airspace.
What about chinese birds ?

Spectra used 25% of the whole R&D efforts of the Rafale program. It's not without some good reasons.
Do you imagine the egyptian air force not trying the war modes when they see Su35 radar failed (in peace mode ?) ?

In 1953, KB-2 began the development of what became the S-75 under the direction of Pyotr Grushin.

S-75 Dvina - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The S-125 was first deployed between 1961 and 1964 around Moscow

S-125 Neva/Pechora - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

By 1966, the S-200 was officially accepted into service in order to replace the failed anti-ballistic missile RZ-25/5V11 "Dal".

S-200 missile system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Do You really think going up against these antiques proves Rafale's ability?

 

[TNT]

US defense top brass only wants more funds. They are ready to say BS to have more money.

Chinese weapons only destroyed wooden built tanks in a desert. Even not a single bomb released on a slightly defend target.
War experience zero. It's just a fact.

Lolz that has to be the dumbest excuses i have come across. Chinese hype their weapons and if americans are worried abt chinese weapons its because they want more funding lolz. Who can argue with this indian standard crap.

 

[BON PLAN]

LOL ànd again how do you know know that's rafale tested against su-35 ànd jamed su-35 radar did Egyptian Air Force tell you? LOL

Just ask google : there are plenty news about that and I already gave you some.
It's just after that test that Egypt add 30 more Rafale on order.

Same goes for India too, but still a dual pulse motor AAM with dual data link and AESA seeker is better then PD seeker AAM.

You're right, but how is the chinese AESA quality? The hardware is something but the soft another. They lack of a real background on these kind of technologies, and once again, no real war experience.

In 1953, KB-2 began the development of what became the S-75 under the direction of Pyotr Grushin.

S-75 Dvina - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The S-125 was first deployed between 1961 and 1964 around Moscow

S-125 Neva/Pechora - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

By 1966, the S-200 was officially accepted into service in order to replace the failed anti-ballistic missile RZ-25/5V11 "Dal".

S-200 missile system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Do You really think going up against these antiques proves Rafale's ability?

As all the weapons, the quality and assets of the first built one are not the same than the last one.
It's like to compare an AMRAAM A and an AMRAAM D. They all are AMRAAM, but inside all is different.

 

[araz]

There is no serious proof of the efficience of chinese weapons. PL15 included.
AESA seeker? maybe maybe not. Better seeker than Meteor? Maybe maybe not. Some proof?

a couple of things to ponder on for you. You are right in that the Chinese missiles are untested. However the PAF seems satisfied with them. SD10 induction was the quickest in the history of PAF. Regarding PL15, there are rumours that 100 missiles were acquired post 27/02. So we do have some stock. PAF's reliance appears to be mainly on F16s and the C5s. However with the JFTs maturing and taking on major air interdiction duties with SD 10s and PL10s, they are not something to slouch over.
IAF has always had more money and better planes, however PAF seems better organized and more aggressive in its demeanor which is where the battles will be won or lost.
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