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Pakistan's Onslaught Against India at UNGA - What's Next?

Lots of leaders have discussed problem at UN.nothing happened.i don't expect anything from UN and america.america joined indian camp long time ago.saudis and Arabs are supporting India and Israel.israel played a vital role in in Indo american friendship.trump is like a Israeli leader.i think we shouldn't expect anything from world powers.

Without any action,nothing will happen.

Question is what will be our reaction? I have no idea.this action should be limited war but where? In which sector/ place? I don't have any idea.
 
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What is next is a slow hard slog behind the scenes to get the economy rolling again. Everything else must wait until this can be achieved. Matters on the LoC will return to their usual state and both sides will continue to pay lip service to their respective internal audiences.

There will be no overt war by either side.

That is my prediction.
Well, I agree with you partly. What if our economy starts strengthening and their economy still outperforms us?

It is a 7 times bigger market and even bigger if purchasing power is taken into consideration.

To attract the world powers, we should at least carry half of the purchasing power of India.. which requires 15-20% GDP growth per annum for over a couple of decades.. which is next to impossible without a major find of oil or gold, or precious rare earth minerals.

I am again sensing the impatience in us taking the best of us. Do we believe that only we are seeing this and those who actually matter have no contingency plan? I have said it before Pakistan will wait till the FATF review in October. We do not want to give them any ammo against us that would black list and ultimately bankrupt Pakistan which is what India wants to bankrupt Pakistan.
We will have to fight India on our terms and not on theirs. Today unfortunately due to the past decade of corruption, treachery, terrorism & war on Terror Pakistan stands weak and exposed. We cannot fight a war in this state. It has to be thoroughly planned out, and we lot needs to learn to be patient. Rome wasn't built in one day nor will Kashmir become free in one. It's a long drawn battle and we will have to fight it at our pace and advantage. Not India's.
No, I am not being impatient. I am only afraid of the meager response of Kashmiris after the curfew is lifted.

They would have to kill few dozen Indian soldiers to trigger a war.
Half a dozen everyday will do the trick.

if situation remain same, Kashmir will become another Palestine i.e joke for the world, no one will take us serious.
Kashmiris will have to show that they are more capable than Palestinians or Rohingyas.. They have the backing of a nuclear power. But without them taking the charge into their own hands, no one will be able to help them.

This is an opportunity of a lifetime for Pakistan as it has in the biggest Stage of them all washed her hands clean of the sin.
So you think Pakistan should initiate? I also think it is the only solution. But I don't think this is going to happen.

I just wish Muslims got the msg
What if they haven't?
 
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Walaikum assalam.
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I am not saying that we have to send our men into the valley, but Kashmiris will have to start a war like Taliban have been fighting in Afghanistan.

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"Your" people will not go to Kashmir. Pakistani fighters did go to Kashmir valley to fight against indians in 90s and early 2000s before Musharraf the Gangu started his appeasement policy toward his erstwhile homeland India on Kashmir. The two cities provided the "bulk" of the fighters that went to Kashmir valley to fight indian doggies, one was Gujranwala and the other was Faisalabad. Every one in Gujranwala and Faisalabad knows about it pretty well who lived through 90s.
 
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Kashmiris will have to show that they are more capable than Palestinians or Rohingyas.. They have the backing of a nuclear power. But without them taking the charge into their own hands, no one will be able to help them.
Empty handed:rolleyes:
 
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I know that Pakistan is not going to back off. But what I am fearing is that Kashmiris will not be able to put up a strong resistance. If Kashmiris only continue with their usual once-in-a-while attacks, I am afraid we will not be able to help them with our men, because India will bark in front of the world that Pakistan is sending terrorists into IOJnK.

My assessment is that all the traditional premises of conflict between India and Pakistan are in transition and are going to change, in near future. This issue would either go to resolution or towards unbearable consequences for both India and Pakistan. This level and intensity of bitterness, as is between these countries, since about a short period, cannot continue for long, without bringing its due fruits.
 
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I don't think India is deterred by merely threats now. We have been doing exercises for several years with our Chinese friends, but they are doing what they want to do.

Unless there are costs involved for India, GOI will be happy with the status quo.
Yes, threats are not going to be enough. That's why I proposed actively supporting Kashmiri Mujahideen by both Pakistan and China. That's why we need to convince China that we have to take care of this Indian bullying now by ganging up against India. We have a lot of the same tools available at our disposal just as they are to India but their is no next door China to help out Indians but we do. We have to make the elements in our favor count for what its worth i.e. Kashimiri youth and Chinese super power.
 
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Empty handed:rolleyes:
Sir, when there's a will, there's a way.

18 years back, no one expected Taliban to put up a decent resistance.. it wasn't just the US, but NATO fighting against them and the foreign forces made it very difficult for Taliban to get any help from the neighbors, including Pakistan.. but they managed.. and managed well.

What wasn't thrown on them? From carpet bombs to MOAB, US tried everything.. Kashmiris haven't even seen 0.5 percent of what Afghan Taliban tasted all these years.

Yes, threats are not going to be enough. That's why I proposed actively supporting Kashmiri Mujahideen by both Pakistan and China. That's why we need to convince China that we have to take care of this Indian bullying now by ganging up against India. We have a lot of the same tools available at our disposal just as they are to India but their is no next door China to help out Indians but we do. We have to make the elements in our favor count for what its worth i.e. Kashimiri youth and Chinese super power.
I seriously doubt Chinese will help us. They can provide all the diplomatic help, but will not involve in a proxy war against a neighboring country.
 
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I know that Pakistan is not going to back off. But what I am fearing is that Kashmiris will not be able to put up a strong resistance. If Kashmiris only continue with their usual once-in-a-while attacks, I am afraid we will not be able to help them with our men, because India will bark in front of the world that Pakistan is sending terrorists into IOJnK.
You are right 100%. That is why I too keep repeating that the resolve of the Kashmiris is the biggest factor in this struggle. Pakistan's resolve is going to be just as good as that of the Kashmiris, Chinese or any other allies factor can only come into play if Kashmiris show resolve to pick up arms and be ready to lay their lives for the cause of armed freedom struggle from Indian occupation.
 
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He has said.. if India attacks us, it will be a nuclear war. But what if India doesn't attack? This is my question.
we occupy azad kashmir.......... india has claims on in also
 
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You are right 100%. That is why I too keep repeating that the resolve of the Kashmiris is the biggest factor in this struggle. Pakistan's resolve is going to be just as good as that of the Kashmiris, Chinese or any other allies factor can only come into play if Kashmiris show resolve to pick up arms and be ready to lay their lives for the cause of armed freedom struggle from Indian occupation.
Exactly.. it all depends on Kashmiris' show of force after India lifts the curfew. I am now anxious..
 
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A lot has already been said in favor of a brilliant and well balanced address of Prime Minister Imran Khan at UNGA. Even many of his critics thoroughly enjoyed and praised PMIK's speech and have been seen saying "proud of being a Pakistani today" after quite a long time. His speech was heard across the globe and at one point, #ImranKhanVoiceOfKashmir became a top trend on twitter. Approximately a million tweets have been posted since, which means that his address (positively or negatively... doesn't matter) is being discussed all over the world on social media.

The four concerns raised in PMIK's speech were placed in an extremely intelligent way. People might say that he wasn't reading from his notes, but honestly speaking, it wasn't a speech without a thorough preparation. The words he used, the sentences he spoke, the emotions he showed and the warnings he delivered were so nicely connected, and the concerns were so logically lined up, that it seemed Pakistani mission contracted a psychologist in addition to many other experts to assist in formulating this masterpiece delivered by PMIK today.

He started with environmental concerns, which attracted many people who might not know about the sub-continent let alone Kashmir, proving himself as a concerned citizen of the planet Earth. After attracting environmentalists (and everyone now considers himself as one) and those who are badly affected by global warming, he tried to attract all the countries that face poverty due to corruption supported by the richer economies by creating tax heavens. This speech is a reminder to those countries which only blame the third world countries of plunder-friendly laws, but conveniently close their eyes on their actions to provide security to the wealth of looters and money launderers. His address will also impact the next session of FATF as PMIK has tried to capture moral high ground here. It was then a turn to attract Muslims. The way he presented Islam I can see that every Muslim who has listened to his speech will do some soul searching. Has anyone from the Muslim Ummah raised these points at a liberal forum with such a confidence before him? In his 5 minutes, he completely separated radicals (belonging to any religion) from the mainstream. It was one of the best, if not the best defense of Islam in current turbulent times.

Once he gathered the attention of the above, he started his onslaught against India on Kashmir. I am sure 90% of the concerned Indian population might have changed the tv channels and gone back to bollywood songs during his address.

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OK, enough said about the address. 2019 has been an eventful year for all three parties i.e. Pakistan, India and Kashmiris. So far, Pakistan has responded effectively to the limited strikes, 5th generation war on media, and on the diplomatic fronts. For Indians, it was a good year indeed as they annexed Kashmir quite easily by striking or amending a couple of articles in their constitution. Realistically speaking, world will keep its eyes closed due to a over-a-billion-people's-market even after PMIK's desperate efforts to wake up the conscience of the world's leaders. In these desperate times, money can easily be preferred over justice, no doubt about it. We have been haplessly and helplessly watching the land being snatched from Palestinians and no one could do anything to stop Israelis.

Pakistan has played almost all the diplomatic cards as of today. By not escalating the situation in February this year and returning the Indian pilot, by engaging ourselves in the Afghan peace process, by offering our help in Middle East's crisis, by raining environmental concerns and by using different platforms to convey Kashmiri plight, we have shown the world that we are a peaceful nation which believes in coexistence. But is this enough? What if world again goes to sleep and we end up as a lone voice on Kashmir? Will India take any measures to help Kashmiris? What if India lifts curfew but Kashmiris are not able to put up a strong Taliban like resistance on their own? Will we continue to prove ourselves as a peaceful non-violent nation and helplessly see our brethren in Kashmir getting killed, sisters getting raped and children getting kidnapped?

This is now crystal clear that Pakistan will not support any proxy war, and will not initiate a limited or full scale war. My question to all Pakistani forum members.. What now? Please shed some light on what do you think about the next few months/ years.. and predict the next steps of India and Pakistan.


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Well, I agree with you partly. What if our economy starts strengthening and their economy still outperforms us?

It is a 7 times bigger market and even bigger if purchasing power is taken into consideration.

To attract the world powers, we should at least carry half of the purchasing power of India.. which requires 15-20% GDP growth per annum for over a couple of decades.. which is next to impossible without a major find of oil or gold, or precious rare earth minerals.

I think you nailed it perfectly: Pakistan cannot hope to make itself heard with the economy teetering as it is, and to get the economy back on track is a huge undertaking that will take decades with good policies surviving any orderly and timely changes in governments over time. Until then, Pakistan's national interests will have to get used to getting the short end of the proverbial stick. Like it or not, that's just the way it is, and probably not very likely to happen. But we live in hope, right?
 
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Sir, when there's a will, there's a way.

18 years back, no one expected Taliban to put up a decent resistance.. it wasn't just the US, but NATO fighting against them and the foreign forces made it very difficult for Taliban to get any help from the neighbors, including Pakistan.. but they managed.. and managed well.

What wasn't thrown on them? From carpet bombs to MOAB, US tried everything.. Kashmiris haven't even seen 0.5 percent of what Afghan Taliban tasted all these years.
With due respect all of them were veterns of Soviet-Afghan war.They were dislodged from Govt were having stashes of arms and ammo scattered across whole country.People of IOJK enjoy none of it.
 
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