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Why is Pakistan failing to promote its ideology amongst the youth?

Indian narratives dominate all spheres especially on the Internet. They perpetuate the idea that Pakistan's creation was a "terrible mistake" and how Pakistan is a failing evil state. Given a lot of the youth spend time online this propoganda finds its way into the subconscious. India has active IT cells to spread this misinformation, do we have anything similar to even counter this?

Social media warfare is real just look at popular social media sites, all enemy propoganda and misinformation is spread againt Pakistan with aim of turning people agaisnt their own country or to even keep Pakistan as a secondary importance.

Why are we so bad at promoting our ideology Why are we do bad at promoting unity. As Muslims we have to realise that bonds of religion are greater than ethnicity, tribe or culture.

I understand that our political class uses divisions to their own advantage, but what about the average person, why doesn't anyone do anything about this? We need unity more than ever , where is this going to come from?

Any opinions?

@jus_chillin @waz @peagle @PAKISTANFOREVER @akramishaqkhan @TNT @Areesh
@ziaulislam
@M. Sarmad
@hussain0216
 
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Why is Pakistan failing to promote its ideology amongst the youth?

Indian narratives dominate all spheres especially on the Internet. They perpetuate the idea that Pakistan's creation was a "terrible mistake" and how Pakistan is a failing evil state. Given a lot of the youth spend time online this propoganda finds its way into the subconscious. India has active IT cells to spread this misinformation, do we have anything similar to even counter this?

Social media warfare is real just look at popular social media sites, all enemy propoganda and misinformation is spread againt Pakistan with aim of turning people agaisnt their own country or to even keep Pakistan as a secondary importance.

Why are we so bad at promoting our ideology Why are we do bad at promoting unity. As Muslims we have to realise that bonds of religion are greater than ethnicity, tribe or culture.

I understand that our political class uses divisions to their own advantage, but what about the average person, why doesn't anyone do anything about this? We need unity more than ever , where is this going to come from?

Any opinions?

@jus_chillin @waz @peagle @PAKISTANFOREVER @akramishaqkhan @TNT @Areesh
@ziaulislam
@M. Sarmad

Its because Pakistan itself is a country of mitti pao mentality and halwa poory. We can easily flip the narrative on
- Partiton
- 1971
- War on Terror
- Kashmir conflict
- 1947 Kashmir War
- Pandit "exodus"
- Pakistan-Afghanistan relations and history of it
- Waziristan
- "Disappearances" in Balochistan

But you see we are too busy eating halwa poory and a lot of our people think oh it happened so long ago so whatever "mitti pao". We just started actively combating 1971 with a drama serial and after facing so much vitriol and seeing so many Nammak harams we started fixing the narrative on Pak-Afghan relations

Another point to note is that India is a country of 1.4 billion, while Pakistan is a country of 220,000,000. We also need more money and need to utilize youth more rather than old babus. @Menace2Society has a point in this.
 
Its because Pakistan itself is a country of mitti pao mentality and halwa poory. We can easily flip the narrative on
- Partiton
- 1971
- War on Terror
- Kashmir conflict
- 1947 Kashmir War
- Pandit "exodus"
- Pakistan-Afghanistan relations and history of it
- Waziristan
- "Disappearances" in Balochistan

But you see we are too busy eating halwa poory and a lot of our people think oh it happened so long ago so whatever "mitti pao". We just started actively combating 1971 with a drama serial and after facing so much vitriol and seeing so many Nammak harams we started fixing the narrative on Pak-Afghan relations

Another point to note is that India is a country of 1.4 billion, while Pakistan is a country of 220,000,000. We also need more money and need to utilize youth more rather than old babus. @Menace2Society has a point in this.
Exaclty all these topics have been made controversial for no reason, they keep repeating the same lies until eventually everyone accepts it as truth.

Also another issue I've noticed is Pakistanis themselves also promote propoganda agaisnt Pakistan which is so treacherous. You don't see any other people doing this against their own country.

Di you think our people are unified enough for this? I've spent time on the these sites and some do not even care for Pakistan or its ideology... how much of a concern is this?
 
Why is Pakistan failing to promote its ideology amongst the youth?

Indian narratives dominate all spheres especially on the Internet. They perpetuate the idea that Pakistan's creation was a "terrible mistake" and how Pakistan is a failing evil state. Given a lot of the youth spend time online this propoganda finds its way into the subconscious. India has active IT cells to spread this misinformation, do we have anything similar to even counter this?

Social media warfare is real just look at popular social media sites, all enemy propoganda and misinformation is spread againt Pakistan with aim of turning people agaisnt their own country or to even keep Pakistan as a secondary importance.

Why are we so bad at promoting our ideology Why are we do bad at promoting unity. As Muslims we have to realise that bonds of religion are greater than ethnicity, tribe or culture.

I understand that our political class uses divisions to their own advantage, but what about the average person, why doesn't anyone do anything about this? We need unity more than ever , where is this going to come from?

Any opinions?

@jus_chillin @waz @peagle @PAKISTANFOREVER @akramishaqkhan @TNT @Areesh
@ziaulislam
@M. Sarmad





The main problem is the indifference of Pakistani people and the fact that we don't care what non-Pakistanis think of us or perceive us to be. Our enemies take advantage of this and promote an anti-Pakistani narrative with little opposition. About time we took our own destiny in to our own hands.

Exaclty all these topics have been made controversial for no reason, they keep repeating the same lies until eventually everyone accepts it as truth.

Also another issue I've noticed is Pakistanis themselves also promote propoganda agaisnt Pakistan which is so treacherous. You don't see any other people doing this against their own country.

Di you think our people are unified enough for this? I've spent time on the these sites and some do not even care for Pakistan or its ideology... how much of a concern is this?




You will probably find that those Pakistanis who are in favour of an Islamic "Ummah" are usually the most anti-Pakistani and against our ideology.
 
Why is Pakistan failing to promote its ideology amongst the youth?

Indian narratives dominate all spheres especially on the Internet. They perpetuate the idea that Pakistan's creation was a "terrible mistake" and how Pakistan is a failing evil state. Given a lot of the youth spend time online this propoganda finds its way into the subconscious. India has active IT cells to spread this misinformation, do we have anything similar to even counter this?

Social media warfare is real just look at popular social media sites, all enemy propoganda and misinformation is spread againt Pakistan with aim of turning people agaisnt their own country or to even keep Pakistan as a secondary importance.

Why are we so bad at promoting our ideology Why are we do bad at promoting unity. As Muslims we have to realise that bonds of religion are greater than ethnicity, tribe or culture.

I understand that our political class uses divisions to their own advantage, but what about the average person, why doesn't anyone do anything about this? We need unity more than ever , where is this going to come from?

Any opinions?

@jus_chillin @waz @peagle @PAKISTANFOREVER @akramishaqkhan @TNT @Areesh
@ziaulislam
@M. Sarmad

I do not necessarily think we are bad, but we do have shortcomings, consider them as a baggage of history.

Everyone seems to have this idea stuck in their heads that Pakistan and India gained independence in 1947, on equal terms, they both had the same facilities and resources, and Pakistan has fallen behind. Some even claim Pakistan was ahead. All This is nothing but pure BS.

This silly version of history is made worse because no one has tried to correct it. Historically, Muslims were soldiers, but the Hindus, especially the upper classes were the civil servants and the educated classes. The Muslims only began to pay attention to modern education in the late 19th century, so we were already behind when we started.

Coming to 1947, India gained independence with everything intact, Pakistan had to build everything anew, the difference between Pakistan and India in 1947 was like night and day.

Here are some of the examples,
India had mature industrial infrastructure, with steel production of over 1 million tons per annum, mature shipyards, various armament factories to meet her defence needs, and so many other industries. It's nuclear program was started in 1945, before independence.

Pakistan had nothing, it had half a university in the entire country, the university of Punjab, one campus in Lahore, the other in East Punjab. I have a paper that shows Pakistan had round 700 enrolled graduate students in the entire country, not graduating every year, but the total number of university students in the entire country. Right now, we have over 2 million.

Pakistan had no industry, nothing at all, except few light industrial units. Everything had to be built anew.

Just imagine the headache you go through when you move houses.
In India they only swapped chairs, the day Nehru took over, he could give orders to any branch of the government because it was all intact,, nothing to do, they could concentrate on developing their new nation, exactly how they wanted.

In Pakistan, they had to create and build everything, before they could even dream about developing, just imagine how much energies, time and resources are needed for such a task. Once in place, only then we could think about starting to develop.

The number of refugees India took amounted to around 2% of their population, easily absorbed.
The number of refugees that settled in Pakistan amounted to around 20-25% of the population.
Can you imagine that? In another words
That's over over 300 million people seeking refuge in India now,
or 80 million for America
or 20 million for Germany, these countries would collapse over night.

Just imagine the task, they are building a new nation, because nothing is intact, they have no money, the weapons are being withheld, 25% of the population is refugees, and half your country is 2000 miles away, and in between you have an aggressive neighbour many times larger then yourself.

That is the reality of our history.

So, with that in mind, and there are plenty of other reasons, the obstacles we overcame.
The Indians could keep their lead and influence alive, we have lagged, but we have come far and achieved far more then we recognise.

The positive is, now we are making the right moves, we are starting to correct our shortcomings, there is a desire amongst our people to speak with a single voice, show the world that we are a single nation.

We have a single national dress, Salwar Kameez, India doesn't have one, and many nations around the world don't, that's a positive.
Diversity is good, but diversity isn't unity, unity is unity.

We all have accepted Urdu as our national language, some even have started to accept it as a second mother tongue, because everyone in Pakistan is in love with Urdu. The only places it is not spoken is where there is a lack of education, not because it is rejected, only because education isn't available. Everyone wants to speak Urdu.

India does not even have a national language, even after 74 years of independence, because they cannot agree on one, and not everyone wants or likes Hindi. There is no nationhood without a language, people can create silly arguments about diversity, but language is central to any identity.

There are so many positives about modern Pakistan. Please, let's recognise them. I loved your post, because questions and discussions are important, its equally important to recognise the good we have done, the things we have achieved.

I think we are in the process of dealing with the issues you have raised. Things do not change overnight, but change they will. Let's keep at it, and I am sure, soon we'll have the desired results.
 
Why is Pakistan failing to promote its ideology amongst the youth?

Indian narratives dominate all spheres especially on the Internet. They perpetuate the idea that Pakistan's creation was a "terrible mistake" and how Pakistan is a failing evil state. Given a lot of the youth spend time online this propoganda finds its way into the subconscious. India has active IT cells to spread this misinformation, do we have anything similar to even counter this?

Social media warfare is real just look at popular social media sites, all enemy propoganda and misinformation is spread againt Pakistan with aim of turning people agaisnt their own country or to even keep Pakistan as a secondary importance.

Why are we so bad at promoting our ideology Why are we do bad at promoting unity. As Muslims we have to realise that bonds of religion are greater than ethnicity, tribe or culture.

I understand that our political class uses divisions to their own advantage, but what about the average person, why doesn't anyone do anything about this? We need unity more than ever , where is this going to come from?

Any opinions?

@jus_chillin @waz @peagle @PAKISTANFOREVER @akramishaqkhan @TNT @Areesh
@ziaulislam
@M. Sarmad
The establishment has no strategy for it. It's as simple as that.
 
So what can be done?
We as individuals can't do anything. We cannot substitute the work of the state. Therefore, we need the state -- i.e., our leadership -- to change how they themselves think about these issues. They need to develop the ability to have a vision, recruit the right people, create a strategy, and stick to it. In this sense, we can try applying pressure on the leadership by asking the right questions, holding them accountable (especially when the media and political parties fail), and by offering an alternative vision of how things should be done.
 
Why is Pakistan failing to promote its ideology amongst the youth?

Indian narratives dominate all spheres especially on the Internet. They perpetuate the idea that Pakistan's creation was a "terrible mistake" and how Pakistan is a failing evil state. Given a lot of the youth spend time online this propoganda finds its way into the subconscious. India has active IT cells to spread this misinformation, do we have anything similar to even counter this?

Social media warfare is real just look at popular social media sites, all enemy propoganda and misinformation is spread againt Pakistan with aim of turning people agaisnt their own country or to even keep Pakistan as a secondary importance.

Why are we so bad at promoting our ideology Why are we do bad at promoting unity. As Muslims we have to realise that bonds of religion are greater than ethnicity, tribe or culture.

I understand that our political class uses divisions to their own advantage, but what about the average person, why doesn't anyone do anything about this? We need unity more than ever , where is this going to come from?

Any opinions?

@jus_chillin @waz @peagle @PAKISTANFOREVER @akramishaqkhan @TNT @Areesh
@ziaulislam
@M. Sarmad
@hussain0216
You got to be joking right?

I'm a Pakistani Nationalist to the very core. I am grateful to Allah for us having Pakistan.

Time to upgrade your nationalism. I do admire Jinnah, although I may not agree with everything he did in his personal life.

I am proud to be a Pakistani.

In fact, I am one of those people who said better to stay in Pakistan than living abroad.

you have no clue what kind of racism I received for being a Muslim, when living abroad.

Why is Pakistan failing to promote its ideology amongst the youth?

Indian narratives dominate all spheres especially on the Internet. They perpetuate the idea that Pakistan's creation was a "terrible mistake" and how Pakistan is a failing evil state. Given a lot of the youth spend time online this propoganda finds its way into the subconscious. India has active IT cells to spread this misinformation, do we have anything similar to even counter this?

Social media warfare is real just look at popular social media sites, all enemy propoganda and misinformation is spread againt Pakistan with aim of turning people agaisnt their own country or to even keep Pakistan as a secondary importance.

Why are we so bad at promoting our ideology Why are we do bad at promoting unity. As Muslims we have to realise that bonds of religion are greater than ethnicity, tribe or culture.

I understand that our political class uses divisions to their own advantage, but what about the average person, why doesn't anyone do anything about this? We need unity more than ever , where is this going to come from?

Any opinions?

@jus_chillin @waz @peagle @PAKISTANFOREVER @akramishaqkhan @TNT @Areesh
@ziaulislam
@M. Sarmad
@hussain0216
Time to team up with China, to increase our soft power.

Problem is, the western narrative is usually taught. In the West, they see India as a region.

People use the word "Indian subcontinent."

I never use such terms. I say "Asian subcontinent."

We need to improve our reputation and soft power on the world stage. China can help us with that.

China needs to portray Pakistan in a positive light in domestic and international politics.
 
You got to be joking right?

I'm a Pakistani Nationalist to the very core. I am grateful to Allah for us having Pakistan.

Time to upgrade your nationalism. I do admire Jinnah, although I may not agree with everything he did in his personal life.

I am proud to be a Pakistani.

In fact, I am one of those people who said better to stay in Pakistan than living abroad.

you have no clue what kind of racism I received for being a Muslim, when living abroad.


Time to team up with China, to increase our soft power.

Problem is, the western narrative is usually taught. In the West, they see India as a region.

People use the word "Indian subcontinent."

I never use such terms. I say "Asian subcontinent."

We need to improve our reputation and soft power on the world stage. China can help us with that.

China needs to portray Pakistan in a positive light in domestic and international politics.
No I'm not saying everyone is like that but I'm saying that there is a discrepancy between the degree of misinformation and propoganda againt us compared to our own counter narrative - talking generally but also online which is where information warfare has shifted to

I
 
Will you ever come out of this "Defending Ideology" "Defining Ideology" thing? After 75 Plus yeara of existense still this non sense is peddled everywhere.
Talk about improving the State , Society and Economy.
Ideology Ideology Ideology.
Society is at a level where Haramkhori and corruption is not even considered a sin as long as it brings money. Everyone having powers behaves like a thug. From Patwari to President. We are prisoners in oir own towns by Social norms.
But we have to Supposidly DEFEND and DEFINE something we still dont understand after 75 years
 
Will you ever come out of this "Defending Ideology" "Defining Ideology" thing? After 75 Plus yeara of existense still this non sense is peddled everywhere.
Talk about improving the State , Society and Economy.
Ideology Ideology Ideology.
Society is at a level where Haramkhori and corruption is not even considered a sin as long as it brings money. Everyone having powers behaves like a thug. From Patwari to President. We are prisoners in oir own towns by Social norms.
But we have to Supposidly DEFEND and DEFINE something we still dont understand after 75 years
Both are important , have to defend both state now as well as ideology
 
Why is Pakistan failing to promote its ideology amongst the youth?

Indian narratives dominate all spheres especially on the Internet. They perpetuate the idea that Pakistan's creation was a "terrible mistake" and how Pakistan is a failing evil state. Given a lot of the youth spend time online this propoganda finds its way into the subconscious. India has active IT cells to spread this misinformation, do we have anything similar to even counter this?

Social media warfare is real just look at popular social media sites, all enemy propoganda and misinformation is spread againt Pakistan with aim of turning people agaisnt their own country or to even keep Pakistan as a secondary importance.

Why are we so bad at promoting our ideology Why are we do bad at promoting unity. As Muslims we have to realise that bonds of religion are greater than ethnicity, tribe or culture.

I understand that our political class uses divisions to their own advantage, but what about the average person, why doesn't anyone do anything about this? We need unity more than ever , where is this going to come from?

Any opinions?

@jus_chillin @waz @peagle @PAKISTANFOREVER @akramishaqkhan @TNT @Areesh
@ziaulislam
@M. Sarmad
@hussain0216
On Twitter at least we did a good job. Some of the white diplomats posting Pakistan Russia thing have now deleted those tweets
 

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