Pakistan's Missile Technology

[Developereo]

Brhmos uses an “S” manoeuvre to be able to evade an interceptor.

Brahmos can manoeuvre evan at supersonic speed.

And intersepting missile can't destroy it because of Brahmos's pace and "S" maneuverability.

Oh dear, the "S" manoeuver. Not the dreaded "S" manoeuver....

Intercepting a normal ballistic missile is possible, but this is a super sonic cruise missile.... tell me how on earth can you co-ordinate a counter attack in such small time frame??? and moreover its radar signatures are very low,built very stealth,It gives High super sonic speed all through the flight

Haven't you been reading? It's the friction heat signature, not the radar or exhaust heat.

I know it because There is no weapon system developed as of now to counter supersonic cruise missiles, todays ABM'S are limited only to engaging sub sonic missiles....

Like I said, the West doesn't take the Brahmos too seriously. Because it is possible to intercept it. And if something is possible, you can bet it has been done, or someone is working on it.

I dint know that pakistani radars can figure out a supersonic missile with low radar signature the moment it reaches the territory , the world is not adavanced enough as that of pakistan, happy now?

I didn't say Pakistan has the capability; only that it is possible. I am sure the Chinese have the infrastructure and brains to develop an interceptor. And, if it becomes necessary, Pakistan can get it from China.

It would be nice if Pakistan had the technological infrastructure to develop it ourselves, but we do not. For now we rely on third parties.

 

[Isaq Khan]

Intercepting a normal ballistic missile is possible, but this is a super sonic cruise missile.... tell me how on earth can you co-ordinate a counter attack in such small time frame??? and moreover its radar signatures are very low,built very stealth,It gives High super sonic speed all through the flight





I know it because There is no weapon system developed as of now to counter supersonic cruise missiles, todays ABM'S are limited only to engaging sub sonic missiles....





I dint know that pakistani radars can figure out a supersonic missile with low radar signature the moment it reaches the territory , the world is not adavanced enough as that of pakistan, happy now?

Buddy,

He have to understand

1. Super sonic
2. Maneuverability
3. Interceptor
4. Cruise missile
5. trajectory
6. altitude etc.

Also he is not ready to see how close is Lahore and Islamabad from Indian border. Under 150 kms i.e. less than 3 minutes from hitting target.

How on earth they can detect and destroy a SUPER SONIC CRUISE MISSILE.

 

[Isaq Khan]

Oh dear, the "S" manoeuver. Not the dreaded "S" manoeuver....



Haven't you been reading? It's the friction heat signature, not the radar or exhaust heat.



Like I said, the West doesn't take the Brahmos too seriously. Because it is possible to intercept it. And if something is possible, you can bet it has been done, or someone is working on it.



I didn't say Pakistan has the capability; only that it is possible. I am sure the Chinese have the infrastructure and brains to develop an interceptor. And, if it becomes necessary, Pakistan can get it from China.

It would be nice if Pakistan had the technological infrastructure to develop it ourselves, but we do not. For now we rely on third parties.

1. How do u came to concludes that west don't take Brahmos seriously????

2. Moreover, we don't have any enmity with west.

3. And don't talk like someone must be working on it kind of. Everyone is working on something, we are not debating Brahmos not running wild houses of imagination.

 

[policecontrolroom]

Buddy,

He have to understand

1. Super sonic
2. Maneuverability
3. Interceptor
4. Cruise missile
5. trajectory
6. altitude etc.

Also he is not ready to see how close is Lahore and Islamabad from Indian border. Under 150 kms i.e. less than 3 minutes from hitting target.

How on earth they can detect and destroy a SUPER SONIC CRUISE MISSILE

maybe throwing some stones when it passes over through LOC???


3 minutes is such a short time i dont think anything can be done when its launched considering the capability of the missile.


its launch and BOOOOOOMMMMM

 

[Hulk]

By the way this section is about Pakistan's Missile system being 3rd in World. I do not believe you are third.
1) USA
2) Russia
3) China
...

 

[sab]

DEVELEPEREDO

I could not understand the heat signature part. You were talking about heat generated by friction. Right??? But the intercepter will not only see the heat signature at present position of the missile but same heat signature in the flight path the missile immediately left behind (which can be few km long for a supersonic missile. That means the intercepter will not see a point as a target but a trail which giving similar heat signature.
Hope the picture below can clarify it.

 

[Developereo]

1. How do u came to concludes that west don't take Brahmos seriously????

There were a number of articles in the Western press. I think STRATFOR had one or two also.

3. And don't talk like someone must be working on it kind of. Everyone is working on something, we are not debating Brahmos not running wild houses of imagination.

I agree I don't know of an existing system to intercept it, only that it is theoretically possible. If your potential enemy develops a weapon, don't you think countries (China) would be developing counter measures?

Guys I think Developereo is not ready to accept the fact that there is no way to counter the Brahmos.For him only the heat signature left by brahmos is enough for the interceptor to detect and destroy it and to add to this the brahmos can't manouver due to its speedy nature(our scientist were foolish to use an onboard computer to help the missile manouver mid way and communicate with other misslies) that makes the job even easier for the interception.

Secondly

@Developereo can I ask why is Pakistan still investing on new missiles though they know that their missiles can be easily intercepted (as u say it) especially by India which is set to have one of the best missile defence system.And that too when you don't have a missile like Brahmos which is fast but still which according to you can be intercepted.

Well, if Indian ABM systems take "man hours" to calculate incoming missile trajectories, we have nothing to worry about

But seriously, AFAIK, India does not have the capability to intercept cruise missiles. I am sure it is working on it. But in any case, the higher speed of the Brahmos is actually a disadvantage in terms of heat signature and detectability.

By the way this section is about Pakistan's Missile system being 3rd in World. I do not believe you are third.
1) USA
2) Russia
3) China
...

I agree.

DEVELEPEREDO

I could not understand the heat signature part. You were talking about heat generated by friction. Right??? But the intercepter will not only see the heat signature at present position of the missile but same heat signature in the flight path the missile immediately left behind (which can be few km long for a supersonic missile. That means the intercepter will not see a point as a target but a trail which giving similar heat signature.

Correct. It will see a trail, but it can calculate the head of the trail and which way it is moving. Remember, IR is radiation and travels at the speed of light. And with fast computers on board, even a hypersonic missile is moving at snail's pace. And I doubt the Brahmos zigzags around during most of its flight just for the sake of it.

 

[LCA Tejas]

Oh dear, the "S" manoeuver. Not the dreaded "S" manoeuver....



Haven't you been reading? It's the friction heat signature, not the radar or exhaust heat.



Like I said, the West doesn't take the Brahmos too seriously. Because it is possible to intercept it. And if something is possible, you can bet it has been done, or someone is working on it.



I didn't say Pakistan has the capability; only that it is possible. I am sure the Chinese have the infrastructure and brains to develop an interceptor. And, if it becomes necessary, Pakistan can get it from China.

It would be nice if Pakistan had the technological infrastructure to develop it ourselves, but we do not. For now we rely on third parties.

buddy, its easy to wake up a person whose asleep, but impossible to wake a up a person who is pretending to be asleep, no matter how much I tell you about it, you will not accept it, rather cling on your facts... the only advise from me to you is... google it and find yourself if it can be intercepted or not...

 

[Developereo]

@Developereo My question to you has not been answered yet so I ask it again...... why is Pakistan still investing on new missiles though they know that their missiles can be easily intercepted (as u say it) especially by India which is set to have one of the best missile defence system.And that too when you don't have a missile like Brahmos which is fast but still which according to you can be intercepted.

Why do countries continue to make aircraft even through they can be shot down? Or tanks? Or ballistic missiles?

It's about having a range of options in an offensive/defensive role.

 

[sab]

There you goes wrong. The intercepter needs a human brain to understand the head of the trail. I t only knows to booooom the source of highest heat emmission. It is possible to take on a aircraft or a missile which travels in lower speed (simply because heat generation is less and hardly there will be a trail, generally intercepter follows the thin emission from engine which will be hiden by massive heat formation in case of Brahmos). But to intercept a supersonic cruise missile many upgradation needed though theoritacally it is vey well possible.

Coming to reality, none of india's rivals have such arrangement at least at present.

 

[manglasiva]

Developereo missile will hit the trail ..by the time Brahmos will be sending signals back of its successful mission

 

[Hyde]

I will give you another example suppose a current version of the Brahmos missile which is already deployed is launched


The Distance between Srinagar (Jammu and Kashmir,India) and Islamabad (Islamabad,Pakistan) is : 170.62 kilometers (km).


The speed of current version of Brahmos is : around 1 km per second

Brahmos will take 170 seconds or less than 3 minutes to strike at Islamabad, now tell me how u will counter it.

And u must also remember hypersonic Brahmos will be there by 2012 which will have about 3 times the speed of current version of Brahmos.


The Distance between Amritsar (Punjab,India) and Lahore Airfield (Punjab,Pakistan) [Airport] is : 45.48 kilometers (km).

It will not take even a minute i.e. only 45 seconds to strike in Lahore.


So stop assumptions and realize the truth even US and China can't destroy it. US has developed a ship based defense system (The RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM)) to destroy supersonic missiles but not hypersonic.

well due to short distance between the both countries............ expect the similar answer from Pakistan too

If we fire Babur to Amritsar that is 45 Kilometers as you mentioned

then see

800km/hour is babur....... how long is it going to target Amritsar? 2-3 minutes?

You don't inform your enemy when you are going to fire missiles right.... and due to extremely short distance it is highly likely it is going to hit your targets too

 

[LCA Tejas]

well due to short distance between the both countries............ expect the similar answer from Pakistan too

If we fire Babur to Amritsar that is 45 Kilometers as you mentioned

then see

800km/hour is babur....... how long is it going to target Amritsar? 2-3 minutes?

You don't inform your enemy when you are going to fire missiles right.... and due to extremely short distance it is highly likely it is going to hit your targets too

Why take so much risk, get it near the LOC and drop it across.... thats the only way to nuke... India has interceptor missiles... how about you? and Babur has low radar signature? And baburs speed is just 800km/hour , AAD or PAD is MACH 4.5 and MACH 5 each....

 

[Developereo]

There you goes wrong. The intercepter needs a human brain to understand the head of the trail.

Sorry, no. You take two readings and compute which way the trail is moving. It's not hard at all. I bet most university-level courses would include designing such an algorithm. The basic concept is downright trivial.

Coming to reality, none of india's rivals have such arrangement at least at present.

True. At present.

Similarly countries use different measures to make their missiles less vulnerable to interceptors using modern technology and they continue doing so because they get results.Even in this case the Brahmos has been developed using the technology which makes it fast enough to not be countered by any interceptor.So I think now you should accept that Brahmos cannot be intercepted due to its speed.

AFAIK, the Brahmos does not incorporate any technology to reduce friction heat signature. Remember, we are not talking exhaust heat, but friction heat against the missile body.

 

[sab]

Sorry, no. You take two readings and compute which way the trail is moving. It's not hard at all. I bet most university-level courses would include designing such an algorithm. It is downright trivial.



True. At present.



AFAIK, the Brahmos does not incorporate any technology to reduce friction heat signature. Remember, we are not talking exhaust heat, but friction heat against the missile body.

Readings of what???
I agree such capability in Interceptors will be incorporated soon as technology is progressing, but any present system???