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Pakistan’s mini-nukes won’t guarantee security, only annihilation

I know that there was 15 days oil left and your all weather friend in Beijing wanted non of the nonsense to go on anymore
No,oil wasn't the problem. Our political leaders crapping their pants under USA pressure was the problem.
But nukes did keep India at bay,.or they had opened several battlegrounds along the border as they did in 1965. So yay for our nukes.
 
Annihilation of both sides is precisely the point, that itself will guarantee no cold / mild / warm / hot start of any sorts from the Indian side. For dimwits:

Samson Option - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Such blackmails / strong arm tactics are part of the game:

The Samson Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And by the way, Hoodbhoy is a piece of trash - a mediocre, trying to steal the limelight.


from a decade the cold hot warm treatment that our RAW has given u I think has bought your ISI to senses about the perils of terror
 
As for India: your security depends upon adopting a less belligerent attitude towards Pakistan, stopping a menacing military build-up that is spooking all your neighbours, and realising that respect is earned through economic rather than military strength.

Pakistan’s mini-nukes won’t guarantee security, only annihilation

These are tall orders for both countries. Any optimism is currently unwarranted.

A very nice article by Mr. Hoodbhoy.

Let me tell him that our weapon program and military build up is not Pakistan Specific. Ours is a big nation. we have our own security concern and needs. We just spend a tiny part of our GDP as defense Budget which is just 2.5%. Now if you try to match Indian weapon one by one and say that India is building a huge weapon stockpile than it is wrong. It is Pakistan which has a hostility towards India and every alternate day we receive a nuclear attack threat. This is forcing us to take more measure and adopt more aggressive stance on Issue. Perhaps that led India to buy S400. if Pakistan uses any Nuclear weapon against india in any form than I am sure that Pakistan and Punjab in Particular shall cease to exit.
 
No,oil wasn't the problem. Our political leaders crapping their pants under USA pressure was the problem.
But nukes did keep India at bay,.or they had opened several battlegrounds along the border as they did in 1965. So yay for our nukes.

No Ground incursion By India was planned other than to impose the inviolability of LOC and Global community backed us 100 %

Who told you kid We are going to use these nukes on our soil,they will be used to destroy Indian Troops just before war,you know Chinese sats are watching every inch of India.We have strong HUMINT and UAV base to guess right time of attack.


I don't think we have only two nukes,but actually even 2 to 3 blats by each will poison Whole of SA.

Kid your idiotic rhetoric of 20 billion and 100 billion population figures or clear cut sign of mental problem.


blah..blah RAW deal, that all happened due to crazy,lanti Mushy who pulled support out of kashmir in 2004 for peace,everybody knows about IA death rate and desertion from 1991 to 2005 in IOK.


Once Huddod bahi joined Pakistani Nuclear Program but he was not cleared to work in Program,due to security reason's.

Thank God You dont beleive in RAW deal that means we have achieved 100 % success in wat we had to
 
All nukes we're primed during Kargil war and Pakistan was ready to use them if India had launched a full scale attack.
That was mentioned by Bill Clinton in TV interview, you can all search for that video.
So point being, Pakistan isn't shy if Using nukes when out of options.
In the same interview, your PM was clueless about it too... says a lot about your army, doesn't it?
 
Who told you kid We are going to use these nukes on our soil,they will be used to destroy Indian Troops just before war,you know Chinese sats are watching every inch of India.We have strong HUMINT and UAV base to guess right time of attack.
Listen Kid, you left my first two point, care to answer that too.

First stop considering Chinese assets as yours and talk when Pakistan had her own spy satellite. You are not a someone related to armed force, otherwise you won't have said so, there are many method and tactics to avoid satellite detections of the movements, so better not talk about them. And having so much faith in Chinese, less you forgot that it was the chinese who gave the tapped conversation of P. Mushraff and PA army chief, to India, which was showed later in media to bluff the pakistan claim of no pakistani army involvement in kargil.

I don't think we have only two nukes,but actually even 2 to 3 blats by each will poison Whole of SA.

Talking like an expert but less fact in your post. So much TNT of explosion do you think is required to destroy India and with nuclear explosion are you referring Nuclear Fusion or Fission -- Don't compare with India having Hydrogen Bomb in its dispossal. And I tell you something from the past. During Kargil war, the idea of Mushraff was the same like you, that India will not lodge such massive retaliation response due to Pakistan's Nuke, but when India showed it Bluffed and sucessfully launched Op Vijay, Operation Safed Sagar, and Operation Talwar(Block Karachi), your PM ran to Clinton and beg to stop the Indians. It was the Clinton sitting with NS, who called Vajpayee on 2AM thru hotline, you could hear this stories from your PM own mouth. But with reference to vajpayee speech -- We are ready to keep couple of Pakistani Nuke, but in return will give the massive answer, which pakistan could not stand. And DRDO started selling the Anti-Nuclear Tents and gear to general Public was the indication India was ready for the nuclear exchange.

Kid your idiotic rhetoric of 20 billion and 100 billion population figures or clear cut sign of mental problem.

Corrected that was error on my part.
 
No Ground incursion By India was planned other than to impose the inviolability of LOC and Global community backed us 100 %



Thank God You dont beleive in RAW deal that means we have achieved 100 % success in wat we had to
Yes,no border intrusion by India because they were told by USA that it may go up in mushroom clouds.
Pakistan started Kargil war so it was good chance for India to take the opportunity and at least take back Pakistani Kashmir, but they didn't, due to our nukes
 
Well written article, but the entire narrative is built on the flawed notion - That Mumbai II will invite the CSD response.

Reality is Mumbai II will only invite more Dossiers. Pakistani deep state's asymmetric asset is very cost effective measure to keep prod India at it's convenience. India's advantage is with 1.2 billion people and attack killing 200-300 civilians doesn't make a dent to the votebank of the political parties, instead gives them better airtime, gives better revenues to 24 hrs news channels, gets more funds allocated to defence budget, lets the government create more departments for internal security, deviates focus from development, education and unemployment to terrorism.

It's good business all around except for people like us who die in these attacks.


Pakistan’s mini-nukes won’t guarantee security, only annihilation
Pakistan believes that dropping low-yield nukes on India will counter a conventional attack and yet the war will remain limited. This is stupid.

Pervez Hoodbhoy

That Pakistan may first use nuclear weapons in a future war with India was announced recently by Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry. Coming just two days before Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s visit to the United States in the last week of October, this could be considered a reiteration of the army’s well-known stance. But, significantly, it came from the Foreign Office rather than Army General Headquarters or Strategic Plans Division. Coming from both ends of the power spectrum, this confirms that Pakistan has drastically shifted its nuclear posture.

In the late 1980s, Pakistan had viewed nuclear weapons very differently: they were the last-ditch means to deter a possible nuclear attack by India. But Pakistan now says it intends to use low-yield nuclear bombs, also called tactical nuclear weapons, to forestall the possible advance of Indian troops into Pakistan under India’s Cold Start operational doctrine.

Floated by Gen Deepak Kapoor in 2010, Cold Start calls for cutting Pakistan into “salami slices” as punishment for hosting yet another Mumbai-style terrorist attack inside India. It assumes that this limited action would not provoke a nuclear exchange. India strenuously denies that such a doctrine is official or that it has been made operational.

This denial cut no ice across the border. In 2011 a successful test of the Nasr “shoot and scoot” short-ranged missile was announced by Inter Services Public Relations, the Pakistan military’s official voice. Ensconced inside a multiple-barrelled mobile launcher, the four 60-kilometre-range missiles are said to be tipped with nuclear warheads each roughly one-tenth the size of a Hiroshima-sized weapon. Pakistan says these tactical weapons will not destabilise the current balance or pose significant command and control problems, a claim that many believe as incorrect.

Grave escalation

Pakistan is not the first country tempted by nuclear force multipliers. Nor, as claimed by ISPR, is making small warheads a significant technical feat. In fact in the 1950s, the Americans had developed even smaller ones with sub-kiloton yields, and placed them on the Davy Crockett recoilless guns deployed at forward positions along the Turkey-USSR border. The nuclear shell, with a blast yield that would be dialled as required, could be fired by just two infantrymen. This was a tempting alternative to artillery but the Americans were eventually unnerved by the prospect of two soldiers setting off a nuclear war on their own initiative. The weapon was withdrawn and decommissioned after a few years.

Wars are fought to be won, not to be lost. So how will Pakistan’s new weapons help us win a war? This fundamental question is never even touched. But let us assume their use in a post Mumbai-II scenario. For every (small) mushroom cloud on Pakistani territory, roughly a dozen or more Indian main battle tanks and armoured vehicles would be destroyed. After many mushrooms, the invasion would stop dead in its tracks and a few thousand Indian troops would be killed. Pakistan would decisively win a battle.

But then what? With the nuclear threshold crossed for the first time since 1945, India would face one of two options: to fight on or flee. Which it will choose is impossible to predict because much will depend upon the extant political and military circumstances, as well as the personalities of the military and political leaders then in office.

Official Indian policy calls for massive retaliation. In 2013, reacting officially to Pakistan, Shyam Saran, the head of the National Security Advisory Board, declared that, “India will not be the first to use nuclear weapons, but if it is attacked with such weapons, it would engage in nuclear retaliation which will be massive and designed to inflict unacceptable damage on its adversary. The label on a nuclear weapon used for attacking India, strategic or tactical, is irrelevant from the Indian perspective”.

Simply stated: whether struck by a micro-nuke or mini-nuke or city-buster, and whether on its own soil or outside its borders, India says it will consider itself under nuclear attack and react accordingly.

A tit-for-tat exchange

This is plain stupid. It violates the principle of proportionate retaliation and pushes aside the barriers to hell. But could the National Security Advisory Board be bluffing? It may be that if push comes to shove, India will not actually launch its large nuclear weapons. The sensible instinct of self-preservation might somehow prevail, and the subcontinent live to see another morning.

More likely is that in the heat of the moment, reckless passions will rage and caution will take a backseat. A tit-for-tat exchange could continue until every single weapon, small and large, is used up on either side. It is difficult to imagine how any war termination mechanism could work even if, by some miracle, the nuclear command and control centres remain intact. At the end both India and Pakistan would win, having taught the other a terrible lesson. But neither would remain habitable.

The subcontinent’s military and political leaders are not the first to believe that a nuclear war can remain limited, and perhaps even won. President Ronald Reagan puzzled over the possibility of Armageddon, uncertain whether or not God was commanding him to destroy earth or to leave it in His hands. Allen Dulles, the first CIA director, had repeatedly railed against the stupidity of those Americans, “who draw an ‘artificial’ distinction between nuclear and conventional weapons and cannot realise that atomic bombs should be treated like bullets”.

Tactical nukes will not make Pakistan more secure. This dangerous programme should be immediately abandoned. Nukes may win a battle for us but at the cost of losing Pakistan. Instead our security lies in ensuring that Pakistan’s territory is not used for launching terror attacks upon our neighbours. We must explicitly renounce the use of covert war to liberate Kashmir – a fact hidden from none and recently admitted to by Gen Pervez Musharraf.

As for India: your security depends upon adopting a less belligerent attitude towards Pakistan, stopping a menacing military build-up that is spooking all your neighbours, and realising that respect is earned through economic rather than military strength.

Pakistan’s mini-nukes won’t guarantee security, only annihilation

These are tall orders for both countries. Any optimism is currently unwarranted.
 
No,oil wasn't the problem. Our political leaders crapping their pants under USA pressure was the problem.
But nukes did keep India at bay,.or they had opened several battlegrounds along the border as they did in 1965. So yay for our nukes.

How did they stopped Operation Vijay, operation Safed Sagar, Operation Talwar, US drone attack inside Pakistan
 
Annihilation of both sides is precisely the point, that itself will guarantee no cold / mild / warm / hot start of any sorts from the Indian side. For dimwits:

Samson Option - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Such blackmails / strong arm tactics are part of the game:

The Samson Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And by the way, Hoodbhoy is a piece of trash - a mediocre, trying to steal the limelight.
More on above he have some personal grudge denied many times important positions in PAEC by senior scientists because of his shadowy character belongs to Ismaili sect studied for some time in USA and once nearly caught trying to gain knowledge of critical nuclear components source of import. Sources claims his close links with foreign agencies.
Regards,
 
You are not a someone related to armed force,
:coffee:
We are ready to keep couple of Pakistani Nuke, but in return will give the massive answer, which pakistan could not stand. And DRDO started selling the Anti-Nuclear Tents and gear to general Public was the indication India was ready for the nuclear exchange.
Kid,India is ready for Nuke exchange after you DODO sells some Tents to Public for Public consumption.
Don't compare with India having Hydrogen Bomb in its dispossal.
It's joke of the day.What makes you think we don't have,if you have.
First stop considering Chinese assets as yours and talk when Pakistan had her own spy satellite. You are not a someone related to armed force, otherwise you won't have said so, there are many method and tactics to avoid satellite detections of the movements, so better not talk about them.
Also by helping Pakistan,they only will help to make save there 2nd supply line.Last time i knew they helped us 100% to check out NDS-RAW TTP movements in rugged and difficult Durand line.If you have any clue you should know that it impossible to hide large formations from sat's+we have UAV's and UCAV's at disposal.
but when India showed it Bluffed and sucessfully launched Op Vijay, Operation Safed Sagar, and Operation Talwar(Block Karachi)
Yes after initial slaughter by PA,your mighty Govt restored to use Air Force to take out Ak-47,RPG carrying soldiers,why ,becuse,your Army failed to advance even under cover of Artillery.
 
Annihilation of both sides is precisely the point, that itself will guarantee no cold / mild / warm / hot start of any sorts from the Indian side. For dimwits:

Samson Option - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Such blackmails / strong arm tactics are part of the game:

The Samson Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And by the way, Hoodbhoy is a piece of trash - a mediocre, trying to steal the limelight.

dude,

India won't respond to anything. If Mumbai attacks are repeated, India will send another dossier.
 
Mr hood has been on enemy agencies pay role since long. Need is to shut this filth producing butt mouth for ever.
 
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