Pakistan’s Increasing Nuclear Stockpile: India the only Threat Factor?

[Tricktor]

Good...so Pakistan is increasing its nukes for Saudi Arabia and against Israel. Making new enemies seem a favorite past time of Pakistan.

Indian coackroaches infesting every corner like this website, seems like a favorite pastime of you lot.

the US will destroy Pak if they ever threaten Israel with nukes, not with war but DPRK style sanctions and international isolation which will make life hell no matter how much the Saudis and Chinese try and prop them.

You are very dim. This is about Israel trying to take Pakistans nukes, at one point. You would know this if you bothered to read the article.

And a single nuke would mean all of Israel is finished. Pakistan is too big to destroy with nukes. Nuking a significant portion of Pakistan or India would mean a nuclear winter that could destroy all life, which is why neither country could ever be fully destroyed.

Israel can easily be destroyed.

 

[Barrel-Bomba]

You are very dim. This is about Israel trying to take Pakistans nukes, at one point. You would know this if you bothered to read the article.

And a single nuke would mean all of Israel is finished. Pakistan is too big to destroy with nukes. Nuking a significant portion of Pakistan or India would mean a nuclear winter that could destroy all life, which is why neither country could ever be fully destroyed.

Israel can easily be destroyed.

dim tera baap bkl mc

though I didn't read it, true.. the comments are always more fun on here

and no, a single nuke wont do it for all of what we, in the civilized world, recognize as the sovereign nation state called Israel, check the max yield of current Pak strategic warheads and see how much damage those can do, not like they'll get past the US umbrella, soon the david's sling or even the Iron dome either, hell, India will shoot it down if you try launch a rocket on the sly, forget delhi or tel aviv, the islamic warhead will make a big diwali show in rawalpindi.

with nukes, you have a deterrent but if you go balls out in a nuke jihad, like the world fears some next fanatic pakee general may, you still lose, we only bruise (though badly)

you don't have conventional parity, which is well established by now, a fact especially well recognized by everyone in the Pak security establishment, it's the sole reason for your nuclear program.. but you don't have nuclear parity either.. your old obsolete north korea technology stands nowhere near glorious Indian (of reaching mars!) missile technology, you don't have a proven second strike capability like a SSN/SSBN either, India will have more than 1 soon, we also get T 50 top of the line stealth fighters while you only get chinese J 31s, their proposed second rung 5th gen.

 

[Mr.WetPants]

dim tera baap bkl mc

though I didn't read it, true.. the comments are always more fun on here

and no, a single nuke wont do it for all of what we, in the civilized world, recognize as the sovereign nation state called Israel, check the max yield of current Pak strategic warheads and see how much damage those can do, not like they'll get past the US umbrella, soon the david's sling or even the Iron dome either, hell, India will shoot it down if you try launch a rocket on the sly, forget delhi or tel aviv, the islamic warhead will make a big diwali show in rawalpindi.

with nukes, you have a deterrent but if you go balls out in a nuke jihad, like the world fears some next fanatic pakee general may, you still lose, we only bruise (though badly)

you don't have conventional parity, which is well established by now, a fact especially well recognized by everyone in the Pak security establishment, it's the sole reason for your nuclear program.. but you don't have nuclear parity either.. your old obsolete north korea technology stands nowhere near glorious Indian (of reaching mars!) missile technology, you don't have a proven second strike capability like a SSN/SSBN either, India will have more than 1 soon, we also get T 50 top of the line stealth fighters while you only get chinese J 31s, their proposed second rung 5th gen.

Mmm... you must have come back from the future when Indians have the ability to SHOOT down Missiles.

 

[war&peace]

Well the real surprise will come in the war....I think India really does not expect few big ones

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

@ topic starter:

Are you obsessed with India ? why you keep on making threads from their mouth piece all the time ? you know any thing coming from Indian sources has less credibility among Pakistanis unless you want to engage in some unwanted arguments with them.

 

[dadeechi]

It is in the best interest of Pakistan to limit it's rivalry to India and not get embroiled in middle-east mess.

Time will tell whether India is the only threat or not but India surely is a good excuse for Pakistan that no one would be able to question.

 

[GR!FF!N]

Pakistan never planned to attack Israel, on the other hand, Israel did plan to attack Pakistan (attack on a country's facilities is considered as an attack on the country's sovereignty). Pakistan is not picking a fight, it is just plugging the few holes in it's defence.

you should take a closer look in your history before writing such comments..

Israel–Pakistan relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

when you show your "Ummah" and engage them in a fight for other counties,these kind of things are bound to happen.

 

[Arsalan]

The Indian obsession with Pakistani nukes is somewhat same to the Pakistani obsession with the Cold start doctrine. While one laughs at the other on one thing, they conveniently forget about this other. The expected replies to this post will give you people a good idea what i am talking about.

 

[Psychic]

you show your "Ummah"

Ummah is a concept in Islam, not some Pakistani invented term.
What Pakistan did was send a few pilots in a declared and lawful war...Pakistan did not plan to stab Israel in the back.
We have supported Palestine cause and will continue to do so. What's wrong is wrong, does not matter if it happens hundreds of miles away. We prefer to support the oppressed at least morally instead of choosing to be spectators.

you should take a closer look in your history before writing such comments..

Like India is friends with every country in the world....There are hostilities amongst nations and that is a reality.
Pakistan shall do everything possible to deter the designs of hostile countries and no one has the right to preach us what to do and what not to do as every nation's hands are dirty... Israel can bomb the crap out of Gaza, build illegal settlements, make nuclear weapons, murder people across the globe, kidnap people and bring them to Israel for persecution, attack another country's nuclear installations without formal declaration of war but if Pakistan makes a long range missile, Indians go bonkers...Height of hypocrisy.

 

[GR!FF!N]

Ummah is a concept in Islam, not some Pakistani invented term.
What Pakistan did was send a few pilots in a declared and lawful war...Pakistan did not plan to stab Israel in the back.
We have supported Palestine cause and will continue to do so. What's wrong is wrong, does not matter if it happens hundreds of miles away. We prefer to support the oppressed at least morally instead of choosing to be spectators.

Like India is friends with every country in the world....There are hostilities amongst nations and that is a reality.
Pakistan shall do everything possible to deter the designs of hostile countries and no one has the right to preach us what to do and what not to do as every nation's hands are dirty... Israel can bomb the crap out of Gaza, build illegal settlements, make nuclear weapons, murder people across the globe, kidnap people and bring them to Israel for persecution, attack another country's nuclear installations without formal declaration of war but if Pakistan makes a long range missile, Indians go bonkers...Height of hypocrisy.

well,then you shouldn't nag about "Israel-Pakistan enmity"...that was my whole point.when you fight someone else's war,you should expect that you're going to inherit their enmity as well.

 

[wiseone2]

Sir ji, here is a piece from the OP

"In 1980s and 1990s, Israel planned a raid on Pakistan’s nuclear facilities which was stalled. Therefore, the existential threat from Israel remains intact."

Pakistan never planned to attack Israel, on the other hand, Israel did plan to attack Pakistan (attack on a country's facilities is considered as an attack on the country's sovereignty). Pakistan is not picking a fight, it is just plugging the few holes in it's defence.



Syria - Pakistan did not indulge itself on KSA's behalf.
Yemen - Pakistan did not indulge itself on KSA's behalf.

Too much BS-itting and generalizing is bad for intellectual health.
@Desert Fox

israel lacks the ability to launch an air raid on pakistan. that was true in 1980. probably still true now.
their ability to hit even iranian nuke facilities is questionable

Pakistan is dependent upon the GCC states. What can Pakistan do in Yemen and Syria ? You are over-estimating your abilities. When Saddam threatened Saudis in 1990 it was Uncle Sam who bailed them out. Iraqi army would have thrashed the Pakistani army in 1990. This is assuming you can even move your military hardware to Saudi Arabia

 

[Psychic]

israel lacks the ability to launch an air raid on pakistan. that was true in 1980. probably still true now.
their ability to hit even iranian nuke facilities is questionable

Pakistan is dependent upon the GCC states. What can Pakistan do in Yemen and Syria ? You are over-estimating your abilities. When Saddam threatened Saudis in 1990 it was Uncle Sam who bailed them out. Iraqi army would have thrashed the Pakistani army in 1990. This is assuming you can even move your military hardware to Saudi Arabia

Israeli and Indian nexus in late 70's and early 80's.....A joint air attack was planned....
I can provide some refrences but it ain't easy for me to dig them up, may be some other members can tell you
@MastanKhan

And another important point to note is that CIA warned us of an Indian/Israeli attack on Kahuta....And according to some sources, CIA even threatened Israel of dire consequences as that was a time when Afghan war was going on.

Pakistan is dependent upon the GCC states. What can Pakistan do in Yemen and Syria ? You are over-estimating your abilities. When Saddam threatened Saudis in 1990 it was Uncle Sam who bailed them out. Iraqi army would have thrashed the Pakistani army in 1990. This is assuming you can even move your military hardware to Saudi Arabia

LOL....
They asked for our troops, we refused to provide our troops....Ask Saudis why they wanted our troops. As for the remaining part of your post, it is BS.

Pakistan is dependent upon the GCC states.

 

[nForce]

Israeli and Indian nexus in late 70's and early 80's.....A joint air attack was planned....
I can provide some refrences but it ain't easy for me to dig them up, may be some other members can tell you
@MastanKhan

And another important point to note is that CIA warned us of an Indian/Israeli attack on Kahuta....And according to some sources, CIA even threatened Israel of dire consequences as that was a time when Afghan war was going on.

The question is, why do you have to go and pick up a fight with anybody and everybody ?

India always had a lot of diversity and it will continue to be so, which is in some cases, detrimental to holistic development. What was stopping you ? And now you have created a mess.

 

[Psychic]

The question is, why do you have to go and pick up a fight with anybody and everybody ?

India always had a lot of diversity and it will continue to be so, which is in some cases, detrimental to holistic development. What was stopping you ? And now you have created a mess.

No mess. We have achieved deterrence. Israel can't play any fancy trick on us now.


Countries have friends and enemies. Apart from three countries, other nations are not hostile towards us. Even Israel ain't that hostile towards us.
Now let me apply your logic on you. Why India picked a fight with China which is not only many times bigger than it but also sits right next to it?

 

[nForce]

No mess. We have achieved deterrence. Israel can't play any fancy trick on us now.

Deterrence ? Deterrence from what ?? Why did your leaders have to pick up a fight in the very first place any way ? Who was threatening you ? Pakistan had put all its eggs in to the American basket. There were aids rolling in, Americans helping Pakistan to build industries, friendship taller than mountain, deeper than ocean, SEATO, CENTO etc.
For the Arabs ? They never cared about you!

And Israel does play tricks with you and you could not do anything about it. For example, who do you think supplied Indian with the Litening pods during Kargil war ? You think it started and ended there ?

Countries have friends and enemies. Apart from three countries, other nations are not hostile towards us. Even Israel ain't that hostile towards us.
Now let me apply your logic on you. Why India picked a fight with China which is not only many times bigger than it but also sits right next to it?

Lot of fights, which one ?