Pakistans Helicopters and other Vtol Technologies

[Interceptor]

Keys,

Do you see any need in tank busters I mean gun ships for Pakistan, if Pakistan goes for expensive tech why not the A-10 thats a good machine. Why are these Helis so expensive they cost nearly a price of a F-16?

 

[Keysersoze]

Keys,

Do you see any need in tank busters I mean gun ships for Pakistan, if Pakistan goes for expensive tech why not the A-10 thats a good machine. Why are these Helis so expensive they cost nearly a price of a F-16?

They all have their place within a overall structure but they are not a battlefield "god" the A-10 is a good plane but very specialised. Very few air forces can afford the luxury. A-5's or Mig-27/Jaguars can do the the job of ground support adequately at a fraction of the cost.

As to the cost. These helicopters are very high tech hence the cost will represent this.

 

[ARSENAL6]

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[JK!]

Keys,

Do you see any need in tank busters I mean gun ships for Pakistan, if Pakistan goes for expensive tech why not the A-10 thats a good machine. Why are these Helis so expensive they cost nearly a price of a F-16?

You would also need to establish air superiority to get such a plane into action and use it effectively.

Unless someone can correct me I don't think A10s carry AAMs.

 

[ARSENAL6]

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[ahussains]

its nice to hear that Pakistan also taking intrest to devlop Heli locally which certainly improve the Technical abilites and the Maintanence expertice locally.. and may be they also upgraded there old out dated Heli.. for some more time ...

 

[imiakhtar]

slightly off topic but recently i was browsing the pics on this site and i saw a Mi-24 in yellow camo with PAKISTAN written on it. what's this all about? was pakistan testing it's capabilities or was it inducted into service?

 

[foxhound]

(slightly off topic but recently i was browsing the pics on this site and i saw a Mi-24 in yellow camo with PAKISTAN written on it. what's this all about? was pakistan testing it's capabilities or was it inducted into service?)


In response to the above, the Mi-24 gunship is probably the ones that defected from Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation of the country. I read somewhere, that 3 had defected - one was give to the USA for research/analysis and the other 2 should be with us?

There were also other combat aircraft such as the Su-22 fitter K that had defected, I'm not sure what Pakistan has done with them? did we return it back to Afghanistan (Taliban era)?

Does anyone know what is happening with the South African Rooikat helicopter? I thought Pakistan was interested in this type? At the moment we have approxiamtely 40-60 Cobra gunships - would it not be wiser to purchase the upgraded version (cost effective) and go for a sort of 'transfer of technology' package? i.e a super cobra type?

or maybe start funding/developing with the Chinese gunship helicopter?

 

[Keysersoze]

(slightly off topic but recently i was browsing the pics on this site and i saw a Mi-24 in yellow camo with PAKISTAN written on it. what's this all about? was pakistan testing it's capabilities or was it inducted into service?)


In response to the above, the Mi-24 gunship is probably the ones that defected from Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation of the country. I read somewhere, that 3 had defected - one was give to the USA for research/analysis and the other 2 should be with us?

There were also other combat aircraft such as the Su-22 fitter K that had defected, I'm not sure what Pakistan has done with them? did we return it back to Afghanistan (Taliban era)?

Does anyone know what is happening with the South African Rooikat helicopter? I thought Pakistan was interested in this type? At the moment we have approxiamtely 40-60 Cobra gunships - would it not be wiser to purchase the upgraded version (cost effective) and go for a sort of 'transfer of technology' package? i.e a super cobra type?

or maybe start funding/developing with the Chinese gunship helicopter?

I asked the saem question a while back. There were quite a few Afghan jets that defected and the current afghan govt asked for them back.


Kabul wants Soviet aircraft back
By Paul Anderson
BBC News, Islamabad

Soviet troops leave Afghanistan from Kabul airport, 13 February 1989
Soviet troops left Afghanistan in 1989
Pakistan is considering an Afghan request to hand back military aircraft flown out of Afghanistan by defectors in the 1980s war against Soviet troops.

The fleet of aircraft includes helicopters and Russian fighter jets.

The Afghan defence ministry sees them as an important component in efforts to rebuild the country's armed forces.

But the Pakistan military says the aircraft are of questionable value after standing idle at undisclosed military airfields for so many years.

'Not airworthy'

Afghanistan is looking for the return of 26 aircraft, among them military helicopters, transport planes and Russian Sukhoi and MiG bombers and fighter jets.


Pakistani authorities are looking into this question - this is a matter that can be sorted through consultations
Masood Khan,
Pakistan foreign ministry

Most of the planes, the defence ministry says, are in Pakistan - flown in between 1983 and 1989 by Afghan air force pilots who defected from the Soviet-backed communist government.

Pakistan disputes the numbers but says it is considering the request.

An air force official said the years of standing idle had taken their toll, and the aircraft were not airworthy.

Pakistan was a natural destination for Afghan military defectors.

It was the co-ordinating centre of the massive American-led operation to arm and train the Afghan mujahideen fighters, who eventually drove out the Soviet army in 1989.

Afghan officials have also demanded the return of seven aircraft from Uzbekistan, flown there under the same circumstances.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4209129.stm



As for the Rooivalk (the Rooikat is a armoured vehicle the SADF uses/used), there have been some developments in regard to this. Rumour abounded that Pak was looking to buy in conjunction with Turkey's attack helicopter program (with the two heli's under consideration being the Rooivalk and the Eurocopter Tiger) in order to reduce unit price etc. However things took a turn when the French parliament enraged the Turkish govt by passing a bill recognising the Armenian Genocide. Turkey has now stopped ordering equipment from France including the Rooivalk (which being based upon the SA-330 has French components) So I would say it is more likely that the next gen attack helo will probably be the TIGER. The AH-1z is actually quite a step up from the vanilla AH-1 and I believe the price is quite high. The Chinese actually alreay have a attack heli program (WZ-10) which bears a striking resemblance to the Eurocopter Tiger.

 

[Interceptor]

Those jets were never returned and the Pakistani reply to the Afgan was that they were not fly worthy later I believe after this reply the Afgans attacked the Pakistanis. They sent a group of terrorist and the group took over a school bus filled with children. The afgan rebels asked Pakistan to fly Pakistani fighter jets into Afganistan and land them for the return of the childre they then took refuge in a building with the children. The SSG were told to take them out and they did so successfully after that. The newly elected Gov of Afganistan has agains asked for the jets same reply.

 

[ARSENAL6]

I read in artical that China is developing the j12
an STOL

If that goes ahead then we are not far from a VTOL