Pakistan's GIDS offers various weapon systems for export at World Defence Forum in Riyadh.

[IceCold]

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Are we offering MALE UAVs as well? What about the powerplant? Have we started manufacturing it locally?

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Shahpar 2
Fatah 1
BW 20 &BW 21
Harbah anti ship missile
PAC's MALE UCAV
Jinnah class frigate design
PAC High Speed Target Drone
HIT 155mm Artillery gun

These should be displayed at IDEAS 2022 (15-18th November)

 

[JamD]

If the Harbah is available for export, then it means we're finally manufacturing a miniature powerplant of some kind, or we got a really stable and cost-effective supplier (which is possible, China has a few). @JamD @kursed

Two things,
1. It is likely that we license-produce turbojets on some level. I would find it weird if we didn't. But you are right, it could just be a cheap and reliable supplier in China.
2. I am always confused by these export offerings by GIDS. It almost looks like GIDS goes "oh the government wants to increase exports so let's offer things for exports." I say this because I don't really see GIDS doing exports other than a few very very small orders. And the products they offer are beat in every regard by competitors. On top of all of this, GIDS - whose entire purpose is marketing - does a very poor job at marketing. So I doubt that Pakistan is REALLY hoping to export Fatah, Harbah, Shahpar, Burq.

Case in point:
Look at this sorry attempt at photoshop. The missile has been very clearly photoshopped on to hide the launcher in smoke. The missile is apparently larger than the launcher that is launching it lol. I know people will say oh but its the product that matters. But I will argue that in a market with stuff like this, no serious buyer will come near.

Some examples of half-decent advertising attempts - compare with our poster and look at the amount of information. Who is going to take Fatah-1 as a serious export attempt? Maybe exporting it is not the intention at all - just fattening the "export catalogue".

 

[SQ8]

It's state-owned, basically the commercial wing of NESCOM. So, when NESCOM bureaus produce something and make it available for export, GIDS' job is to market it. However, I think negotiations, contracts, etc are done with the MoDP and DGDP.

So they bought the founder owner’s shares out? Or does he get a cut?

Two things,
1. It is likely that we license-produce turbojets on some level. I would find it weird if we didn't. But you are right, it could just be a cheap and reliable supplier in China.
2. I am always confused by these export offerings by GIDS. It almost looks like GIDS goes "oh the government wants to increase exports so let's offer things for exports." I say this because I don't really see GIDS doing exports other than a few very very small orders. And the products they offer are beat in every regard by competitors. On top of all of this, GIDS - whose entire purpose is marketing - does a very poor job at marketing. So I doubt that Pakistan is REALLY hoping to export Fatah, Harbah, Shahpar, Burq.

Case in point:
Look at this sorry attempt at photoshop. The missile has been very clearly photoshopped on to hide the launcher in smoke. The missile is apparently larger than the launcher that is launching it lol. I know people will say oh but its the product that matters. But I will argue that in a market with stuff like this, no serious buyer will come near.
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Some examples of half-decent advertising attempts - compare with our poster and look at the amount of information. Who is going to take Fatah-1 as a serious export attempt? Maybe exporting it is not the intention at all - just fattening the "export catalogue".
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Because that mentality hasn’t set into engineers - they don’t have anything that resembles marketing and if they do it’s usually a BBA graduate who also does clerical work on the side. Pakistani defense industry is 30 years behind the world regardless of whatever it hobbles together using open source knowledge or Chinese reverse engineering and its time to swallow that pill and stop regretting or fretting it.

 

[JamD]

Because that mentality hasn’t set into engineers - they don’t have anything that resembles marketing and if they do it’s usually a BBA graduate who also does clerical work on the side. Pakistani defense industry is 30 years behind the world regardless of whatever it hobbles together using open source knowledge or Chinese reverse engineering and its time to swallow that pill and stop regretting or fretting it.

I mean their entire job is marketing. They're not engineers. But yeah, I'm hoping too much. PTV's entire job is running a TV channel too lol.

 

[Fawad alam]

What is the difference between Al-Battar kit and Takbir REK?

 

[Bilal.]

What is the difference between Al-Battar kit and Takbir REK?

Battar is LGB with range of ~15Km. REK is a INS/GNSS guided glide bomb with range of 60-100Km.

 

[HRK]

Battar is LGB

LGB

 

[Bilal.]

LGB
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Damn the woke crowd for hijacking everything!!! We want our acronyms back!

 

[Oublious]

Did KSA buyed weapons from Pakistan in history, i mean really strategic weapons. Handguns or ammuniton is not really important.

 

[Last starfighter]

Whatever happened to POF eye

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Did KSA buyed weapons from Pakistan in history, i mean really strategic weapons. Handguns or ammuniton is not really important.

They bought like 100 million dollar worth small arms and ammunitions last year or something.
But the only worth it system they operate are the Super Mushaks

Whatever happened to POF eye

In service.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Did KSA buyed weapons from Pakistan in history, i mean really strategic weapons. Handguns or ammuniton is not really important.

They might in future....

As for now Pakistan needs every last bullet to be sent to the fronts all around her. Few examples:

• Eastern front: 24/7 vigilance and readiness against a 7x larger enemy of 1.4b folks whose religious redemption lies in Pak's perdition
• Western fronts: stabilizing Afganistan while neutralizing the renegade proxy elements and terrorists there. Clandestine ops deep inside Iran to eradicate more proxy terrorists there
• Domestic front: 24/7 high-intensity COIN ops against a plethora of highly trained and well funded terrorist outfits
• Sea lines of communication: keep them open against the continuous presence of the Indian Navy. Almost every month they need to detect the enemy subs in the SEZ and drive them away
• Etc.

 

[Zarvan]

Two things,
1. It is likely that we license-produce turbojets on some level. I would find it weird if we didn't. But you are right, it could just be a cheap and reliable supplier in China.
2. I am always confused by these export offerings by GIDS. It almost looks like GIDS goes "oh the government wants to increase exports so let's offer things for exports." I say this because I don't really see GIDS doing exports other than a few very very small orders. And the products they offer are beat in every regard by competitors. On top of all of this, GIDS - whose entire purpose is marketing - does a very poor job at marketing. So I doubt that Pakistan is REALLY hoping to export Fatah, Harbah, Shahpar, Burq.

Case in point:
Look at this sorry attempt at photoshop. The missile has been very clearly photoshopped on to hide the launcher in smoke. The missile is apparently larger than the launcher that is launching it lol. I know people will say oh but its the product that matters. But I will argue that in a market with stuff like this, no serious buyer will come near.
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Some examples of half-decent advertising attempts - compare with our poster and look at the amount of information. Who is going to take Fatah-1 as a serious export attempt? Maybe exporting it is not the intention at all - just fattening the "export catalogue".
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It's just the start. Pakistan also makes broachers like these. I have several of them various weapons of HIT and other companies. Just fattening the export catalogue is not the purpose here. Like seriously

 

[Destranator]

"Zarvan: BW 20 Rifle needs to be worked upon. It not only looks ugly but the way it's made its working also looks questionable. It looks like two three various parts joined together in vary bad way "


From my understanding, a key focus area for POF in developing BW-20 & 21 was to offer a new generation rifle with maximum commonality with G-3. This would enable POF to minimise costs associated with switching G-3 production lines towards BW series. The commonality would also make it easier and cheaper for soldiers to orient to hence cheaper operational integration. This is particularly important given the size of Pakistan Army and the economic climate. In any case, it does not look bad at all - it just does not look super edgy like for example the SCAR-L. What is most important to note is that POF is now capable of offering indigenous rifle systems.