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Pakistan's eternal quest for 'strategic balance' with India

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No, actually I am not daydreaming. my statement is plausible and relies on deductive logic. If Pakistan can stand up against India [ No, I know we have not won] you can conclude what we would do to you if you were 7 times smaller like Uttar pradesh which is about the same in population as Pakistan.
Now I am sure you are daydreaming, your plausible statement is not good enough to decide how things would have shaped up given the circumstance.


Would you really? Well, Einstien what stops you from applying this golden nugget on the present Indian Army? Why not follow the Isreali approach now? Since your bigger then Isreali Army if you followed their approach you would be large and lethal. You would gobble up Pakistan in days and would not have to put up with that cheecky runt of a country doing Mumbai's on you?
There is no need and the political will is not very strong as you know we have enough to deter our enemies, we are not in desperate times to put in place desperate measures, since we have good enough population we see no reason to become technology intensive to discard the advantage we have, I thought this was plain and simple for anyone to understand!




It is a fact that all the federated provinces of Pakistan combined equal to less than one Indian state viz Uttar Pradesh.

Population of Pakistan - 180 million. Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Population of Uttar Pradesh - 200 million. Uttar Pradesh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
population of Bihar - 103 million. Bihar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Therefore what is so lame or excuse about this. These are hard facts my friend. When you 1.2 billion Indian's crow on about Pakistan you forget that your talking about a country that is even smaller than one your states let alone all of humongous India
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Same lame excuses all the way, it is not worth putting another argument. What you fail to understand is with your location you could have been much better but you guys have not been, that is a fact you can deny all you like.


And if Pakistan can be better than why not apply those lessons on India. If you did Uttar Pradesh alone would be able to knock out Pakistan.From what I know Uttar Pradesh[200 million] and Bihar[103 million] are poverty swamps.
We have better examples too you know, we do not have a federated structure, Im pretty sure a enemy like Pakistan would have ensured a firm leadership if we were the size of UP.. We have very god examples also and without billion of dollars in aid
We do not expect and do not want anybody, least of all our enemy India to encourage us. Rest of your statement is so pathetic that it does not deserve a reply.
I was talking about US which gives you aid and has to keep the state of Pakistan from failing..


Yes, indeed very true. every nation faces odds. How exactly did India face more odds than Pakistan? Is that your selective reading informing you? If you are putting your odds behind well bravo to you guys.
How Indeed, Insurgency in Kashmir, the famous Red-Corridor and ethnic violence and discrimination and to make matters worse a war mongering country for a neighbor.. Somehow that does not seem enough for you.


Like monkey's a*ss you are. If India even managed to 'leverage' 1.2 billion insects Pakistan would be buried alive. The fact is your leveraging well below your 1.2 billion population size. you want proof? Well your neighbour China is another billion plus hyperpower well compare your performance to theirs and then see how efficiently your leveraging 1.2 billion and how the other billion plus club member China is doing.

Did I hurt you bad? Is it how you people respond when you do not have anything more to say?

I have said the same thing before that India is unable to leverage all of the 1.2 billion, but you seem to read only what you want to, very poor..

What you Indian's do is compare 1.2 billion people India to Pakistan's 180 million [ nearly 7 times smaller ] and of course your figures than make India like like a shining star compared to tiny Pakistan.

However when compared to another country in your size category like China and then the true picture emerges - your performance is pathetic.
No actually it is Pakistan which has a habit of comparing itself with India, of course we did not want to eat grass or kiss someones bottoms to get an advantage over its neighbour even after being the aggressor (if defencive then one could agree that it had to be done)

Thank you for your assessment, but you are comparing China which has a much bigger land mass, if you do not know the stress a huge population puts on the resources of a county then your half-assesd analysis is pathetic to say the least.


@ Sandy

Best of luck walking on the same path!

We will walk the path we see fit just like you will choose your path. How about you please stop making annoying, patronizing statements.
The problem with you is that you yourself cannot help which path your county takes, after all does it not depend on the whims of your elite?
 
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No, actually I am not daydreaming. my statement is plausible and relies on deductive logic. If Pakistan can stand up against India [ No, I know we have not won] you can conclude what we would do to you if you were 7 times smaller like Uttar pradesh which is about the same in population as Pakistan.
Now I am sure you are daydreaming, your plausible statement is not good enough to decide how things would have shaped up given the circumstance.


Would you really? Well, Einstien what stops you from applying this golden nugget on the present Indian Army? Why not follow the Isreali approach now? Since your bigger then Isreali Army if you followed their approach you would be large and lethal. You would gobble up Pakistan in days and would not have to put up with that cheecky runt of a country doing Mumbai's on you?
There is no need and the political will is not very strong as you know we have enough to deter our enemies, we are not in desperate times to put in place desperate measures, since we have good enough population we see no reason to become technology intensive to discard the advantage we have, I thought this was plain and simple for anyone to understand!




It is a fact that all the federated provinces of Pakistan combined equal to less than one Indian state viz Uttar Pradesh.

Population of Pakistan - 180 million. Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Population of Uttar Pradesh - 200 million. Uttar Pradesh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
population of Bihar - 103 million. Bihar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Therefore what is so lame or excuse about this. These are hard facts my friend. When you 1.2 billion Indian's crow on about Pakistan you forget that your talking about a country that is even smaller than one your states let alone all of humongous India
.

Same lame excuses all the way, it is not worth putting another argument. What you fail to understand is with your location you could have been much better but you guys have not been, that is a fact you can deny all you like.


And if Pakistan can be better than why not apply those lessons on India. If you did Uttar Pradesh alone would be able to knock out Pakistan.From what I know Uttar Pradesh[200 million] and Bihar[103 million] are poverty swamps.
We have better examples too you know, we do not have a federated structure, Im pretty sure a enemy like Pakistan would have ensured a firm leadership if we were the size of UP.. We have very god examples also and without billion of dollars in aid
We do not expect and do not want anybody, least of all our enemy India to encourage us. Rest of your statement is so pathetic that it does not deserve a reply.
I was talking about US which gives you aid and has to keep the state of Pakistan from failing..


Yes, indeed very true. every nation faces odds. How exactly did India face more odds than Pakistan? Is that your selective reading informing you? If you are putting your odds behind well bravo to you guys.
How Indeed, Insurgency in Kashmir, the famous Red-Corridor and ethnic violence and discrimination and to make matters worse a war mongering country for a neighbor.. Somehow that does not seem enough for you.


Like monkey's a*ss you are. If India even managed to 'leverage' 1.2 billion insects Pakistan would be buried alive. The fact is your leveraging well below your 1.2 billion population size. you want proof? Well your neighbour China is another billion plus hyperpower well compare your performance to theirs and then see how efficiently your leveraging 1.2 billion and how the other billion plus club member China is doing.

Did I hurt you bad? Is it how you people respond when you do not have anything more to say?

I have said the same thing before that India is unable to leverage all of the 1.2 billion, but you seem to read only what you want to, very poor..

What you Indian's do is compare 1.2 billion people India to Pakistan's 180 million [ nearly 7 times smaller ] and of course your figures than make India like like a shining star compared to tiny Pakistan.

However when compared to another country in your size category like China and then the true picture emerges - your performance is pathetic.
No actually it is Pakistan which has a habit of comparing itself with India, of course we did not want to eat grass or kiss someones bottoms to get an advantage over its neighbour even after being the aggressor (if defencive then one could agree that it had to be done)

Thank you for your assessment, but you are comparing China which has a much bigger land mass, if you do not know the stress a huge population puts on the resources of a county then your half-assesd analysis is pathetic to say the least.


@ Sandy

Best of luck walking on the same path!

We will walk the path we see fit just like you will choose your path. How about you please stop making annoying, patronizing statements.
The problem with you is that you yourself cannot help which path your county takes, after all does it not depend on the whims of your elite?
 
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It's useless comparing India and Pakistan. India simply can't achieve parity with Pakistan in any sector... I hope in 2050 India will finally be able to break this, because things aren't looking to great :agree:

India should achieve parity with Pakistan. Whole world know what is Pakistan good at... :sick:
 
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So much so that after 65 years still there is quest for strategic balance/parity
 
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Just think about this. Just one Indian state of Uttar Pradesh is about if not slightly bigger than Pakistan in terms of population. If India were just Uttar Pradesh that would put both Pakistan and India in the same category.

I am pretty sure Pakistan would have torn Uttar Pradesh to shreads. For a start Uttar Pradesh would not be able to support the size of the present Indian military. I have no idea how many states you have in the Indian Union.

So please remember the actual quation is: Pakistan equals State of Uttar Pradesh.



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Yes, I am well aware that tiny Monaco has a per capita that is $172,000 that is 3 times even more than USA. I am also aware of Isreal but Pakistan or India are not USA or Isreal.

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Of course I want Pakistan to be another Monaco or Isreal but equally I have to accept where we are and the odds that face us.

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India is only one of two in a group of billion plus people countries. The other being China. India and China are population hyperpowers.

There are so many if's in this assumption. There is some more space for imagination. Here is my imagination with lot of if's....
If India is is of the size of Uttar Pradesh( Area-243,286 square km, Pop-(2008 est.) 190,891,000.), which is smaller than present day Pakistan (Area - 796,095 km2, Population - 177,100,000. Note: Area would have been even bigger if we include the area of Bangladesh, then East Pakistan)) in geography, India would have did what Pakistan did, to maintain military parity with Pakistan by hook or crook. India (with the area and population of Uttar Pradesh) would have armed herself to the teeth to save herself from geographically bigger Pakistan. India would have had a very closer relation with USA or USSR and receive financial and military aid from them to make herself strong to face Pakistan. If they fight a war in this scenario, I'am pretty sure, India (with the size of UP) would have did to pakistan what Pakistan can do to the present India. There are many If's in this scenario again... And, most importantly the smaller India can also give so many excuses... :D
 
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